Andrew McKillop: Forget Global Warming and face up to real Climate Change

Posted: May 5, 2012 by tallbloke in books, climate, government, Incompetence, media, Politics, weather

FORGET GLOBAL WARMING AND FACE UP TO REAL CLIMATE CHANGE
Andrew McKillop

Ambassador Richard H. Jones, deputy director of the IEA, opened the IEA’s April conference by-lined
‘Clean Energy Progress’, by saying global temperatures are “probably” going to rise by “6 degrees
celsius” by about 2050. The main problem, apart from this being totally impossible – barring massive
meteorite attack or massive volcanic eruptions – is that fewer and fewer persons believe this story.
One person who ferociously believed in the story, because he helped invent it is Britain’s James ‘Gaia’
Lovelock. Today however, in an April 23 interview with MSNBC, Lovelock has retracted and describes
himself, and Al Gore as unnecessarily “alarmist”, although this of course helped them sell a lot printed
matter and get invited to speak at lucrative rates, spreading alarm on the coming catastrophe. In 2006,
in an interview with the UK ‘Independent’ paper, Lovelock went as far as to say that “billions would
die” from runaway global warming leaving only “a few breeding pairs” of humans, forced to retreat
near the poles, to keep the human race breeding. Lysenko had almost as much leverage as this, touting
his half-baked genetic theories in Stalin’s USSR.

Fritz Vahrenholt, head of RWE Innogy and a former leading figure of the German environmental
movement with Joshka Fischer (former vice chancellor of Germany) has also broken ranks, and for this
has been derided as a lobbyist for fossil fuels, after he published his global warming unbeliever’s book:
‘Die Kalte Sonne’ (The Cold or cooling Sun).

Like a straight majority of public opinion, and a rising number of scientists Vahrenholt is highly critical
of the so-called consensus that “CO2 = global warming”. Also however, Vahrenholt supports the idea of
‘Energiewende’ or Energy Transformation, but like myself and many others he says the current German
approach is too costly, technologically uncertain. running much too fast and could wind up heavily
counterproductive. Germany’s renewable energy action plan (its REAP, like similar plans in other EU27
states) is already having unplanned and unwanted effects, including undermining national biodiversity
and according to Vahrenholt destroying German forests in the stampede to develop all and any kinds of
renewable energy, including biomass, and hacking forests apart to site windfarms at a rate of several
hectares of forest cleared for each onshore windmill.

This rush to develop renewable energy, since 2009 an official European Union plan in the shape of
member state REAPs, is treated as so urgent, even imperious for only two reasons. First there is global
warming, the supposed catastrophe of the century; second there is the high cost of oil and gas imports.
Coal imports, for unknown reasons, are not described as expensive or alarming – but European imports
of rare earth elements, coal, uranium, many other metals and minerals, tropical foods, or Chinese and
Indian manufactured products and increasing volumes and values of services, can easily be described as
bad for European trade balances, expensive and alarming. The role of global warming, ritually
described as “catastrophic”, takes the high ground in the forced march to energy transition but as
Vahrenholt says, he is convinced that CO2 and global warming are being exaggerated: he says we have
a lot more time, and more options for developing genuinely sustainable energy solutions.

REAL CLIMATE CHANGE
Vahrenholt was a hero of the German environmental movement for decades, so his critical book took
center-stage in German reviews and media, and quickly percolated into the national debate on
Energiewende. For so-called “climate-minded” Germans he is now a bete noire, especially for saying
out loud that climate catastrophe is not taking place, at least climate change due to anthropogenic
greenhouse gas emissions. For him, the influence of the sun’s energy cycles has been underestimated,
but on this score he has to venture out into the very complex field of trying to forecast solar sunspot
cycles, and deciding if, or not, we are moving into a longer-term period of low activity sunspot cycles,
such as the Dalton minimum of the early 19th century or much more powerful and longer Maunder
mininum starting in the late 17th century.

In both cases, global temperatures dropped significantly, and if the sun is heading towards a more
inactive phase now, we have another reason to not fear global warming catastrophe this century.
Even ignoring the other and real causes – anthropogenic – of climate change, especially deforestation
and monocrop agriculture over dozens of millions of square kilometres of the Earth’s land surface (of
148 million sq kms total), Vahrenholt’s message is already ‘controversial’ enough to stir the hornet’s
nest. His book has been severely criticized in German newspapers like Bild, or Die Zeit which called
him ‘Störenfritz’, or ‘Troublemaker Fritz’. A planned lecture at the University of Osnabrück was
cancelled because the university found his topic too provocative. The book has also become highly
political, with other German papers comparing him to Bundesbank executive Thilo Sarrazin, who
claims that mass immigration has destroyed German identity (book title: ‘Germany Abolishes Itself’),
and was forced to resign after penning his book.

Vahrenholt is not just anybody. He has been CEO of RWE Innogy, its renewable energy subsidiary for 5
years with an aggressive expansion strategy across Europe, but RWE was also a major user of nuclear
power and is also the biggest German producer of coal- and lignite-based electricity. Critics therefore
jump to the conclusion that Vahrenholt and his coauthor Sebastian Lüning, who works for RWE DEA,
the oil production and trading arm of RWE, are simply furthering their corporate interests. For
Vahrenholt the real reason is simpler: ‘climate crazies’ cannot take criticism and want a stampede into
renewable energy, whether or not it is economically and technologically feasible.

Vahrenholt, who is a chemical scientist by education is hard to fault on his knowledge of where the
breakpoints in Germany’s Energiewende are likely. Before moving to RWE Innogy in 2007, and from
2001 he was CEO of REpower Systems. This large wind energy company has a fast-growing portfolio
of wind power assets across Europe, but like a growing number of renewable energy based companies,
starting with the biggest (such as Vestas in windpower and QCells in solar power) times are becoming
rapidly very challenging. QCells, once German and world leader in solar PV production is now in
receivership and the Vestas share price is down about 75% in 12 months.The most basic reason for this
was going too fast, powered by government handouts which then disappeared, in a casino capitalist
market system with no safety nets and where only breakneck expansion succeeds.

Vahrenholt argues that global warming and carbon release are almost certainly not the climate killers
they were made out to be, but his book only dabbles in the real and dangerous anthropogenic climate
change generated by human-induced modifications of a huge proportion of the Earth’s surface: his
preoccupation is now centred on biodiversity loss (after quitting RWE Innogy later this year he will
become president of the German Wild Animals Foundation (Deutsche Wildtier Stiftung)).

FAKING THE DATA
A host of telltale indicators show that climate change is real but global warming is not: Vahrenholt is a
lot less than tender with the UN IPCC. These telltales even include global wind patterns and their
intensity, which Vahrenholt, with a long track record in wind energy knows plenty about. As he says in
his book, both 2010 and 2011 were not very windy, but the climate models of the UN IPCC predict that
wind regimes in mid-latitude areas will only and can only become more powerful, due to the the rise of
CO2 concentrations. In fact even the main driver of all equatorial and lower latitude circulation of air
and humidity, called the Hadley Cell, and the related Walker-Hadley climate system, are weakened by
wind speed and frequency reduction due to massive ongoing deforestation and agriculture development,
causing radical changes of albedo and average humidity, and directly reducing wind speeds. This
concerns Continent-sized chunks of the planet – all the tropical forest areas and is a climate change factor
known for at least 25 years – but the UN IPCC brushes it aside because of its CO2 obsession.

As Vahrenholt says, the scientific literature shows that weakening wind regimes have nothing at all to
do with CO2. Simply this factor, weakening and more variable wind regimes, overturns longstanding
cycles of the global climate system, which feature in UN IPCC models, such as the North Atlantic
Oscillation (NAO). This is a natural cycle with a period of about 60 years, split into two 30-year
subcycles of more wind in winter, for 30 years, and then less – with much colder winters when there is
less wind. When or if we tilt into regimes of generally lower wind intensity, winters will cool.
This is an inconvenient fact for the UN IPCC, because it wants to find reasons for a lockstep relation
between rising levels of CO2, and a warming climate. The same applies to how it treats rising cloud
cover – but decreasing rainfall – in large regions of the planet: this reality does not fit the one-only
official model. When climate becomes radically more variable with higher peaks and lower troughs of
key parameters like wind speeds, humidity, rainfall, temperatures – which is the reality – the UN IPCC
brushes all this aside as “random walk variation”.

In the EU27 states applying their REAPs which in the case of Germany’s Energiewende is radical, the
main explanation and rationale for these plans is fear of climate change. To be sure, oil and gas imports
are expensive and politically unsure – but the REAPs have very low targets for either replacing oil or
reducing dependence on oil, despite the rhetoric. Their main goal is shifting electric power production
from fossil fuels to renewable energy, and the extreme urgency of this, we are told, is because global
warming is the most intense environmental crisis “ever faced by humanity”.

It is not necessary to list the UN IPCC’s close relations with many large energy corporations, nor its
dubious claims for the so-called runaway track of global warming, for example claiming that current
global temperatures are by far the highest in the last 1000 years. This headline claim was backed by its
famous “hockey stick” graph, well analyzed and explained as devoid of any scientific meaning by the
book ‘The Hockey Stick Illusion’ by Andrew Montford. Just as absurd, and well covered by Vahrenholt,
the UN IPCC needs to pretend there is no such thing as natural climatic variation, starting with its
clumsy attempt to magic away the so-called ‘Medieval Warm Period’, a warm period around the year
1000 when the Vikings settled in Greenland and were able to live there for a couple of centuries,
followed after a 300 year interval by the so-called ‘Little Ice Age’, at the time of the Maunder minimum
of sunspot cycles, starting around 1695. Many papers have been published showing the Little Ice Age
was not a local European phenomena, but the IPCC pretends it was.

All this is is needed to bolster the argument that CO2 has a one-way upward impact on temperatures.
Any and all other causes of climatic variation and change, including anthropogenic, are sidelined. For
Vahrenholt, the main ignored factor is sunspot cycle change, but deforestation and agricultural
development on a planetary cycle are impossible to exclude. As the UN IPCC and its huge network of
scientists has no problem arguing, at least in footnotes to its vast mass of publications, CO2 is far from
the only climate modifier. When these climate change triggers are massive – tropical forest deforestation
has already eliminated 8 million square kilometres of forest on the 16 million total that the Earth had
for at least 50 000 years until 100 years ago – the refusal of the IPCC to take any account is a lot more
than only surprising.

One reason is the IPCC is first of all a political organization. Most of the 31 members of the IPCC
Secretary come from developing countries like Sudan, Madagascar, Iran or Cuba and are interested in
anything that can help inward investment – including the energy sector. Other emerging economies,
especially India, are not interested in and do not want so-called ‘black carbon emissions’, from burning
wood and animal dung, to be given prominence as the real climate change triggers or factors that they
are, but solid and growing evidence shows the effect of black carbon on global climate is much bigger
than we thought, at least fifty percent as much as the imputed and claimed effect of CO2.

IGNORING THE REAL PROBLEM
Vahrenholt is alarmed that the push for biomass energy development, in Germany, could expand so fast
that twenty percent of all agricultural land may be used to grow energy crops, mainly rapeseed and
maize. To be sure this will be monocrop agribusiness farming, using at least 3 to 4 barrels of oil per
hectare each year, then processing these food crops, using more oil, to produce oil substitute fuel at
almost zero (or even negative) net energy yield.

Pushing the IQ further (the Idiocy Quotient), Germany and some other EU states with high population
densities and restricted farmland areas – especially the UK and Holland – claim they will or may import
wheat and maize, as well as palm oil from cutover tropical forest land in Indonesia, to produce oil
saving biofuels and achieve their REAP targets. Here again the net energy yield, and reduction of
overall CO2 emissions compared with petroleum fuels will be minimal at best.

The CO2 obsession, and linked obsession with producing any and all kinds of renewable energy -
whatever their EROI, whatever their environmental impact – is rightly criticized by Vahrenholt. Only
Europe, Australia and New Zealand remain ‘Kyoto compliant’, with host country Japan and Canada both
effectively (formally in the case of Canada) abandoning the farce, in December 2011. The remaining
players emit only 14 percent of the world’s total CO2 from anthropogenic sources, about two-thirds of
this (therefore 9 percent of total) from fossil fuels. China alone is now responsible for 25 percent of
global CO2 emissions and its share will grow rapidly, like India’s emissions. For the EU states, carbon
correct and running a trade surplus will become more and more difficult – as Vahrenholt says, noting
that Germany will likely soon find out despite it present aura of trade surplus superstar.

Vahrenholt focuses the stampede factor in Energiewende using a host of real world facts, for example
that while Germany gets the same amount of sunlight as Alaska, it has installed 50 percent of the
world’s total solar PV capacity to date. Increasingly China, by brute industrial force will rule global PV
production, and possibly windpower, meaning that importing solar or windpower equipment will start
as a trade deficit item, especially if the stampede rush continues. For energy system management and
planning, also, Energiewende and the other REAPs are a nightmare. As Vahrenholt asks, taking the
present day case of Germany, on an average non-winter Sunday, Germany will need about 35,000 MW
only, but in winter that can jump to 80,000 MW. However, the country already has 27,000 MW of wind
and 28,000 MW of solar capacity, so what does Germany do on a non-winter Sunday when it is windy
and sunny? As he answers, right now, Germany is forced to give it away to neighboring Poland and
other countries, at negative prices, with major power transport and transformer capacity headaches.
For the growing business of electricity trading, of course, this destabilization of power supply over
large areas, on a hard-to-predict but recurring basis is pure gold. When the wind blows in Germany,
they can talk down power prices to nothing, even less than nothing. Later on, they can rack up power
prices to extreme highs of beyond 150 euros per MWh (1000 kWh): life is fun, for traders !

To be sure there is chapter and verse from Vahrenholt on the other, so easily forecast diseconomies of
EU crash programs for alternate and renewable energy – notably the smart grid/super grid default
solution and no alternative to a giddily increasing percentage of variable and intermittent renewables in
the power mix.

Comments
  1. Doug Proctor says:

    Andrew,

    I ask this as you have obviously thought long and hard about the subject: the opening line,

    Ambassador Richard H. Jones, deputy director of the IEA, opened the IEA’s April conference by-lined
    ‘Clean Energy Progress’, by saying global temperatures are “probably” going to rise by “6 degrees
    celsius” by about 2050.

    describes a situation that has been baffling me for a long time.

    Along with the cry of the oceans rising 6m or 20m or somesuch by 2100, I hear bizarre claims of what is going to happen very soon without any current indication that it is starting to happen now. Earlier I thought the CAGW narrative was rooted in a threshold problem, like driving your car over a cliff (everything is perfectly fine until absolutely nothing is fine). Then I learned that the claimed CO2 warming was incremental and progressive. Which means that what happens tomorrow grows from what is happening today. If nothing much is happening today, not much CAN happen tomorrow. So how can these claims be made by intelligent, concerned people who have connections with other intelligent, concerned people? It would be personally troubling to have your friends look at you as if you are nuts.

    George Bush lied to the American people (and British people, through Tony Blair) that there were WMD in Iraq because he and his cohorts were determined to go to war in the mid-East. Political lying I understand, though find appalling. Saying that the temps are going up by 6 degrees in the next 38 years goes against even what the IPCC says, and, as you note, physically impossible. Even if it is for “conscience” raising, it is bizarre. What benefit personally do you gain by saying such things?

    What do you think? In order to defeat the enemy, one must understand him. Sun Tsu said something like this. David Suzuki also says bizarre things (though I’m getting suspicious that there is some organic, depression-related phenomena going on with him right now). In order to counteract their statements it would help to see where outlandishness bound to fail helps their cause.

    Thanks.

  2. Harriet Harridan says:

    Hi Doug,

    “In order to defeat the enemy, one must understand him. ” Very true. I think that many of the adherents to alarm come from a political mindset that Capitalism, and by inference, industrialization is wrong. One of the offshoots from industrialization is emissions. Therefore if emissions can be shown to be bad, then capitalism is bad. The higher the sensitivity to emissions that can be claimed then the ‘more wrong’ capitalism is.

    To defeat that one has to point out that we are living in one of the best times in all human history. Relative poverty is the lowest it’s ever been, and much of that is down to cheap power, and industrialization.

  3. Doug Proctor says:

    Hi, Harriet,

    Lot of merit in what you say. It also suggests that the anti-capitalists, the anti-industrialists have seized on the wrong thing to represent their cause, because it is eminently falsifiable. If they had been able to move more quickly, then they would have achieved their goal before the error was noticeable (and could have claimed their actions solved the “problem”). But it has taken too long, as Gore and Suzuki have noted.

    If we really are in a fundamental pushback, a la Ludditism, which was about returning “quality” of life to cottage industries, then we can expect ever more ridiculous hammering about future harm. In essence, they are saying God will throw us into pools of burning brimstone unless we stop sinning: the images are over-the-top and not to be taken literally, but seriously. Well, maybe literally, they could say – who knows God’s ways until it is too late?

  4. Michael Hart says:

    I was nothing less than gobsmacked when I read about that some days ago. I wouldn’t even have expected Greenpeace to come out with a number as foolish as that these days. I also thought the MSM also gave it much less prominence than they would have done a year ago.

    My dilemma was “Is it possible this person could really be so ill-informed, or should I be divining ulterior motives?”

  5. Harriet Harridan says:

    Hi Doug,

    “Ambassador Richard H. Jones, deputy director of the IEA, opened the IEA’s April conference by-lined ‘Clean Energy Progress’, by saying global temperatures are “probably” going to rise by “6 degrees celsius” by about 2050. ”

    For amusement purposes I plotted some of the more alarming AGW temp claims as reported in the Guardian Newspaper:

  6. Michael Hart says:

    Andrew, can I ask you about the source of Vahrenholt’s statistics that you reference. The quoted combined value you quote for wind/solar is 55,000 MW. Is this the “name plate” installed capacity?
    Also the “average non-winter Sunday” need of 35,000 MW, how is this arrived at?

    From the IEA monthly statistics report
    http://www.iea.org/stats/surveys/mes.pdf on page 16,
    They quote the yearly 2011 contribution from Geoth./Wind/Solar/Other [excluding hydroelectric] as being 66,548 GWh =8,000MW averaged over 24 hours 365 days a year.

    This is electricity actually supplied, not installed capacity.
    The figure of 8,000MW looks small when compared to the 63,000 MW total consumed [again divided by 24 hours, 365 days]. I also note Vahrenholt says that the “renewables” are already given preference for grid distribution.

    Going back to the “average non-winter Sunday need of 35,000 MW”, if the wind isn’t blowing and the sun isn’t shining, then would installed capacity be closer to 0 MW than 35,000 MW, even in summer? [I know PV devices will still generate something on cloudy days, but rather less at night.]
    I’d be interested to see hourly contributions from wind/PV over the course of the whole year.

    Vahrenholt made me chuckle with the quote from his employer Jürgen Großmann, the CEO of RWE:
    ” ‘I give you so much money, but you bring back too little, what’s going on?’ I said there is no wind. He said ‘come on, next year I don’t want to hear the same excuse’ “

  7. vukcevic says:

    I posted this on WUWT couple of hours ago
    Have a bit of a disagreement with our Dr. S about more than obvious strong correlation between the solar magnetic output as represented by TSI and the variability of the Earth’s magnetic field in the Antarctica.
    http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/TMC.htm
    This ‘minor discovery’ may have something to say about the sun-Earth-climate link. Also there may be serious consequences for interpretation of the 10Be data from the Dome Fuji ice cores.

  8. Doug Proctor says:

    vukcevic says:
    May 5, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Your second graph looks like something I plotted on another subject. On it you have two values per TSI datapoint, creating an oval pattern, because some of them occur during a rising phase and some during a dropping phase. The middle, linear trend you have calculated, reflects, in my opinion, the changes due to a fundamental cause, and the divergence, the net additive resultant from secondary causes which are probably of a quasi or actual sinusoidal function with time.

    You have the data. Try calculating the theoretical value (from your linear), attach it to the time-TSI data, subtract the actual value at time “x” from the theoretical value, then plot the difference vs time. I’m betting you find a sinusoidal function, or the combination of a couple of sinusoidal functions.

    I have no idea what it might mean. I just suspect that is what you will find.

  9. tallbloke says:

    Vuk, that’s a compelling graph. Are there any phase reversals in there?

  10. ferd berple says:

    “global temperatures are “probably” going to rise by “6 degrees celsius” by about 2050.”

    The ability to lie straight faced is an important qualification for political office.

    At least the UK has seen the light and has one political party with workable policies.

    http://www.loonyparty.com/about/policy-proposals/

  11. tchannon says:

    Vuc, that is a neat idea.

    Observations.

    Circumpolar current is in history sometimes blocked.

    Could there be a relationship to ice ages? What I have in mind is partly as a switch but also the modulation you show.

  12. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    Heres a quick reply to the friendly and supportive commentators on my article – if you want, send me a mail at my address xtran9 at gmail

    I cant reply here to all but can say the IEA’s “ambassador” (this person is a former US ambassador to Israel) MUST know he is lying. So what ? Can we imagine he is anti capitalist and anti industry?

    Next argument about German wind/solar energy: the calcs coming out at 8000 MW on a 365 day/24 hr basis is ok, about 25% capacity utilization is right for wind (in fact thats the official German figure for its overall wind capacity perfomance – but its declining, so they are moving out to sea), and about 18% for solar PV, but thats rising.

    35 000 MW as the peak low of German elec consumption also sounds about right, but you can find these figures quite easy. Under extreme cold in Feb 2012, the figure was way over 110 000 MW by the way (possibly even 125 GW)

    Andrew McKillop

  13. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    MAUNDER MINIMUM & CO
    Doug Proctor asks an honest question but the Climate Expert’s Cabal only lies. Possibly with the nicest possible motivations, say the nice desire to comfort worried persons as to why climate tegimes are becoming so unpredictable “random walk variation”, and of course to sell the same worried persons a Low CO2 thermal car and shortly after than an Electric car at only 40 000 euro, or both – why not ? Or possibly its only fear and loathing of the unknown.

    But I want to offer this as to why the IEA and its “ambassador” Jones is compulsively lying. You have to go down to the fundamentals. Why was the IEA founded, with what aims ? It was 1973-74 and the Arab oil embargo and Richard Nixon plus Henry Kissinger regrettably had to decide not to invade Saudi Arabia, which they discussed many times, they said. Instead, they founded the IEA to do marvelous things like manage strategic emergency oil stocks and set up bilateral oil supply deals with oil exporter countries with creative disinformation on price and supply terms, to sow confusing in the ranks of hostile oil exporter states and force down oil prices.
    Thats about it.
    Today of course the IEA is clean and green as well as a strategic oil stock managing entity, and also promotes nuclear power “because it saves oil”, except when nuclear power goes off the menu because a reactor blew up somewhere. The IEA also has a large interest in oil and energy trading, promoting it that is, and claims it doesnt like energy subsidies anymore.

    So its goals are now structurally confused, it wants energy transition away from fossil fuels, it wants cheap oil, its happy about cheap shale gas, it wants a level playing field for energy prices, it wants and doesnt want nuclear power – etc etc.

    Bathing in this “creative confusion” its no surprise to me that the IEA snatches any junk science Great Theme it can – as supplied by eye-on-the-cash register Great Thinkers like Jim Lovelock or Al Gore.Global warming fits that really well.

  14. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    Pools of burning brimstone unless we stop emitting CO2: neoliberalism gobsmack reaches its ultimate apoplectic limit to growth

    Its all related, like ecology teaches. The failure of the Growth Paradigm is massive. Since neoliberal late stage capitalism surged from Mrs Thatcher’s gob followed by Ronny Raygun, more than 30 very long years ago (and before Global Warming was invented) this failure only gets worse, symbolized by what Japan’s economy has done since 1990: exactly nothing.

    The recourse to debt was inevitable: cheat the future and deny the past. The recourse to petty neoliberal-neofascist wars in Primitive Lands with small sized armies (Afghanistan, Iraq, any smaller Muslim country) was all that was possible in the way of War Spending, and also did nothing to boost the economy.

    Even Iran is too big to take out and waste for the joy of Graveside Voyeurs imbibing Smart Missile clips on their home entertainment screens, between the wall to wall advertising for Great New products and services from Hands-On Entrepreneurs.

    Creating middle class panic about CO2 was another trick, probably designed to restore growth and fend off the fear of Peak Oil (in fact the fear of oil at $150 a barrel) – the only problem is that neither nuke power plants nor windmills save oil, almost none at all.

    So our great Liberal Democratic monsters have really made a fantastic cock-up of anything they put their dirty hands and minds to, IMHO

  15. tallbloke says:

    It’s worth remembering that the reason we’re able to have this conversation is that hands on entrepreneurs, military knowhow and governmental policy enabled the growth of the internet. Disparate groups have disparate uses for it of course, but I’m happy that it has enabled people with particular interests to communicate instantly and cheaply across the globe.

    So I think anger at the negatives should be tempered with appreciation of the positives. Looking towards the future, the decentalisation of knowledge (and therefore power) that the ability to communicate has brought offers opportunity to all. Especially those previously limited to imbibing the output of ‘approved content’.

  16. Joe Lalonde says:

    TB,

    In the last twenty years economics have changed drastically.
    Unless you have a fully operational with sales innovation, you will NOT get any type of funding or help. Huge companies or government funded projects are the only R and D left. Governments have impossed a great many regulations and laws that do not apply to citizens outside their countries. So, this is making innovation too costly. Frivilous lawsuits that have changed many company policies or just pushed companies to less regulated countries. Greed and corruption is innovation of how many ways you can create great profits with little or no products involvement. Highly paid lobbists and lawyers have changed many government policies to keep the “free market” going.
    Is the fuel you are paying today based on cost plus small margin of profit? No, it is based on what the group wants for the price of high profit speculation. This was why green innovation was a god send with government forking over billions in subsitities that the lowest wage earner will have to pay back in higher taxes or service fees.

  17. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    We all know Steve Jobs was a Great Hero (he said “I never gave a single penny to any charity in all my life” – so its good he died young IMHO) but Internet, the invention of which had nothing at all to do with Jobs, Gates, Khosla and other Silicon Valley egotripping billionaires, could or might have happened without US defense department prompting – who knows ?

    Internet servers, cellphones, tablets, WiFi relays etcetera seriously raise power demand, this is well known, and like Hollywood films in the 1960s, flashing an image of wealth and abundance to the poor, have a sure and certain North-South political role. Global energy and natural resource demand is now a heavily politicized issue.

    Communication is therefore political as well as informational and for amusement so I say lets be glad people use the Internet to discuss the great issues and move the world away from the brink, where our current political leaderships have put us, through their cynicism, arrogance and stupidity.

  18. tallbloke says:

    While my lady and I were on holiday in Southern Spain a couple of months ago, we happened on the motor yacht of Microsoft’s co-founder moored in Malaga harbour. Tatoosh it’s called, google it. It had a McDonnell-Douglas MD-911 jet engined helicopter on one of the back decks. I know what those cost, because I raised the money for the deposit on one. Also moored there was a group of military mine-sweeping vessels from various NATO countries (including Turkey). The Spanish minesweeper took great delight in performing a 360 pirouette using bow and stern thrusters and ramming full power on as they left. The wake made Tatoosh bob up and down a bit by the harbour wall. Panicked flunkies dashed about with inflatable fenders to prevent the immaculate hull from getting a scratch… :)

    If you have $172M burning a hole in your pocket, you can buy the Yacht. Mr Allen has decided the 303ft vessel is a bit small and has moved onto a 414ft craft.

    http://theluxuryhub.com/microsoft-co-founder-paul-allen-to-sell-his-mega-yacht/

  19. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    Like we know about 80% of downloads on Internet are football clips, pornography and ringtones, Thank you Mr Gates for this newfound “liberty”. Ask almost any performing artist, author or translator what Internet did to them and their career and they will tell you – it deprofessionalized and destroyed their living, it enabled pure and naked theft of any copyright, any idea, any intellectual work, it trivialized and snowed under, with torrent of blogster garbage, any rational and creative comment on any political theme, it favoured everything that smells, or stinks of plot and conspiracy. Gosh we love those conspiracies !
    The reason why political animals like Hillary Clinton or Tony Blair spout so loudly in favour of the Internat and “freedom” is totally clear.

  20. tallbloke says:

    It was ever thus. Most printed matter is pulp fiction, porn, advertising, propaganda or unsupported opinion piece journalism. If real art, craft, creative writing, scientific investigation and discourse, and productive political debate (oxymoron?) can flourish in the internet age, we shouldn’t worry that the majority of people are more interested in less cerebrally demanding gratifications. Each to their own. If you do want to worry about the state we’re in in terms of people’s education, moral upbringing, knowledge etc, then there are projects for devising better curricula, more relevant cultural exemplars etc. If you think only governments can initiate programs that will make a difference, start planning the revolution, because the political elite are not going to do things against their self interest.

  21. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    Right on ! The Internet = Freedom scam was one more bubble plaything operated by the elites to selectively, that is radically impoverish and debase all critiques of and responses to their unmerited privilege on their one-only Highway to Hell for us all
    Their game is to snow under and obscure the analysis of how things go wrong and what to do about it. To be sure, things were always like that but the stakes have never been higher: climate change, oil shortage, unsafe nuclear power, resource shortage, food shortage, unemployment and impoverishment – the list is awfully long – but we have Twitter !

  22. tallbloke says:

    Sure, the big question is what to do about it. Seems to me that while the majority in the developed countries are happy enough with their lot, nothing will get done about it. Maybe if Greece has a revolution northern Europe will sit up and take notice. I sometimes wonder what motivates members of the power elite, because they don’t seem to get a lot of happiness in their lives. Always worrying about having the tables turned on them. I’m just getting on with growing food, organising the capability to be grid independent, and discovering how the solar system works.

    I’m a bit too old and knackered for front line action anyway. I think my best contribution is to continue trying to get people to think for themselves about the reality beneath the agenda driven science. Self realisation motivates people better than haranguing them anyway IMHO.

  23. vukcevic says:

    Re: http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/TMC.htm
    Hi all. Thanks for your comments, I might elaborate a bit more latter, still working on it.
    What it may mean for global temperature difficult to say. On the other hand it may confirm that the solar system’s magnetic fields are acting in unison, or the Earth is caught in the electro & magnetic feedback loop operating between Jupiter/Saturn and the sun. If so it would eliminate some of theories based on diff rotation etc.

  24. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    Personally speaking I totally agree with and admire what you say. Me, I like fishing and gardening and rank it as real culture and civilization, oh yes indeed, but I was not greedy enough in my so called professional life, for example at the nightmarish European Commission, a kind of giant Organized Crime syndicate, so I am a poor has-been throwout, thanks to the Great Society.
    Anybody need a gardener ?
    Greece already melted down, but we need to know when or if it then blows up, like a Fukushima reactor. Spain ditto, Italy ditto and very possibly France too.Thing are getting ugly in France and there is a traditional of Revolution. This is all directly the fault of the so called power elites, whose idea on how to run society is to encourage, incite or force people to be greedy, cynical, aggressive and arrogant – try any footballer or financial trader to get the Identikit.

  25. tallbloke says:

    Vuk: please do, I’ll post it.

    Andrew: I suspect there were many full of similar worries on the eve of the last French revolution. And yet as society stumbles forward, lurching from one political crisis to the next, art and culture and science flourish and progress amid the anarchy and chaos and the greed and cynicism. So be of good cheer, raise a glass of your favourite beverage, and enjoy the finer things of life. Free association, the pursuit of love, liberty and knowledge, and the satisfaction of a job done to your best ability.

    Cheers.

  26. Mydogsgotnonose says:

    Tallbloke will know I have been on a quest to establish the origin of the major errors in climate and the exaggeration of radiative energy absorption in the lower atmosphere by a factor of 15.5 [Trenberth et. al. 2009] is the worst. How could these people make the dumb assumption that the IR emitted from the earth’s surface is at the S-B bb level for 16 °C when process engineers like me know from actually measuring combined conduction, convection and radiation in air that for typical ~0.9 emissivity you have to get to ~100 °C for this to be the case [see McAdams Heat transfer for the experimental heat transfer coefficients for this case]?

    The mistake appears to come from Houghton 1986 who used Schwartzchild’s 1906 two stream model which assumes ‘upwelling’ and ‘downwelling’ LW energy. Any competent physicist will confirm that assuming a normal temperature gradient, there is no ‘downwelling’ radiation, just the net radiation in the direction of the temperature gradient from the difference of the two S-B equations.

    I have looked in detail at where Houghton went wrong: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=K9wGHim2DXwC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=houghton+schwarzschild&source=bl&ots=uf0NxopE_H&sig=8vlpyQINiMyH-IpQrWJF1w21LQU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Z2mT7XyO-Od0AWX3LGTBA&ved=0CGMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    He claims that because Local Thermodynamic Equilibrium applies in the lower atmosphere, it acts as a black body. ‘This is an astonishing mistake showing he hadn’t a clue about statistical thermodynamics. The Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_equilibrium

    ‘In a radiating gas, the photons being emitted and absorbed by the gas need not be in thermodynamic equilibrium with each other or with the massive particles of the gas in order for LTE to exist….. If energies of the molecules located near a given point are observed, they will be distributed according to the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution for a certain temperature.’

    LTE means M-B distribution and is nothing to do with a black body. In reality, my teacher, Hoyt C. Hottell at MIT, showed how to calculate emissivities and absorptivities of GHGs in air in the 1960s., and in clear air it’s 0.1 to 0.2!

    It looks to me as if Nobel prize-winning Houghton made a very big mistake and as a result of this, climate science has made a tremendous cock up.

  27. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    I think the French, Greek, Italian, German elections at different levels – the French one is presidential – are presently way up the curve for importance relative to the dting Global Warming scare
    I have an article on the French elections ready to post

  28. Forget Climate Change, and face up to Global Weirding……It is likely to affect you more, it’s a global smash….

    http://fenbeagleblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/the-ghosts-of-kamaoa/

  29. Edim says:

    Mydogsgotnonose, I agree with almost everything. Some of it started as a semantic misunderstanding (radiation, heat, energy…), the rest is astounding physical misconception (bb, S-B, combined heat transfer…).

  30. Edim says:

    Both parliamentary and presidental elections in Serbia today.

  31. wayne says:

    This might be a bit OT but Mydogsgotnonose’s topic at May 6, 2012 at 5:40 pm needs to either be elevated to a top post or a new article posted on that very topic. I read through his words and he is speaking about the large errors in the emissivity that I have so poorly highlighted in some recent posts in March and April.

    Mydogsgotnonose, keep bringing that topic up, for buried within the air’s emissivity is where the wool has been pulled over almost everyone’s eyes. Unfortunately, to really grasp the reasons on this topic, you have to get into integration for I can find no easy closed form equations to make this much easier for everyone to understand what is being said. Maybe Mydogsgotnonose can do it. A good understanding of correct full-form s-b delta T with eff_emissivity=e1e2/(e1+e2-e1e2), optical thickness, and photon gas (Prevost) seems to help immensely. It seems to take a combination of all of the above before the light bulbs start to pop! For the effective emissivity, just using the minimum of the two is a close approximation.

    This also seems to have a hand in explaining why N&Z’s equations to pressure and density manifests itself in any atmosphere.

  32. Doug Proctor says:

    tallbloke says:
    May 6, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Sorry, I got carried away: this response is about optimism and pessimism in the two communities, the warmists as well as the skeptics. Regularly we face those who assure you that the worst will happen, and we will not survive. This is as true for carbon-capture stragegies as CO2-emission driven temperature rises. I don’t agree. Your response above appears to say you agree, at least in principle. I started to simply agree, but, suffering from a typing mania, turned it into something else.

    Post or not at your discretion.

    Doug Proctor

    Roger, your optimism is appropriate. We see what is around us and have poor memories for what went before. The lessons of our predecessors don’t come to us easily; it seems that the only way we learn is to do it ourselves. And errors, unfortunately, is a far stronger learning tool than success.

    The catastrophists of CAGW, of over-population, of resource over-use use two things: linear (or increasing) continuation of the the underlying issue, and stable social or technological structures and ability. Of course they do: a reimagining of conditions will end without catastrophe, which is not the “benefit of doubt” end-scenario of the profoundly worried.

    Of course things can go seriously bad. And we have good examples of events that people did not respond to appropriately and so the whole civilization, not just tribe or nation, was lost. The initiating factor, however, was generally “natural”, as in cold spells, droughts, plagues and volcanic eruptions that came at a time that the local event WAS the “global”, and technological help wasn’t available. (Invading armies that wipe out your population, raze your cities, will do it too, though one notices that this only improves the place the invaders came from.)

    Today the world is, by the catastrophist’s leaning, about to be “destroyed” by a 2 to 4 C raise in temperature. It is politically incorrect to note that this end-of-time vision applies not globally, actually, but regionally. As the world warmed, much of the higher latitudes would become more, not less, amenable to life. Similarly, CO2 increases might (not that I agree) harm coral reefs, but coral reefs are minor components of the oceans today. The fertilization of the oceans would without doubt increase plankton content and improve fisheries. As it would increase land-based plant growth. If oceans were to rise by a meter or two suddenly, encroachment onto the continental land masses would be a local, not a global problem. Al Gore might be upset having his foundations wash away, but most people living a few kilometers from the ocean would be unaffected (except by extension).

    While certain areas would be devastated, much of the world would, in an insensitive phrase, shrug. New Orleans would be abandoned. So would some of the Pacific Islands. Delta populations would have a serious pullback (like New Orleans). For these groups it would be a disaster. For the rest – sad as it is to say, there might even be economic and social revitalization overall. Post WWII Japan, Germany and Russia turned out stronger than they were, as painful as the transition was.

    Political correctness: think of the world, sum up the losses, turn blind to the gains. Add up the tears only: our humanity is in how we work to eliminate pain, not how we work to live with it.

    CAGW has no city-size meteorite cloaking the world in a sun-blocking cloud of dust. CAGW has no aerosol bearing CO2-infected viruses turning mammalian blood to sludge. The rains won’t stop falling and ice won’t scrape clean the streets of Lagos (though that wouldn’t be a bad thing, considering Lagos). CAGW would – and I object strenuously that CAGW is real – modify the world, not remove it.

    And the same is true for the other predictions of catastrophes, particularly for those man-made (let’s ignore CAGW here). We are no longer dependent on one capital, one small area of the globe for resources or management. Even nuclear war must be a limited affair, as hopeful victors need, not just want, the resources of the uninvolved available for reconstruction. Total end-of-game scenarios are the nightmares of intellecuals addicted to their own fantasies.

    The skeptical community continually points out that “change” is normal. We don’t mention that this change is often unpleasant or difficult to deal with, even when we speak of the Dirty Thirties (an example of non-CO2 change that doesn’t fit with the CAGW narrative). The sensitive liberal will be appalled by what I write here, but it is true. We live within the yin and yang of negatives and positives. If the global temperatures rise 1 degree or 4 degrees, or fall 1 degrees or 4 degrees, there will be places that welcome the changes as well as place that deplore them.

    This is the advantage of being a global community: what hurts me may please thee. Together, we will get by if we are free to work together. Which historically we do. “If we are free to work together” is not CO2-driven, and not part of the CAGW story, unless, and this is key, the warmist-castrophist, is also determined that people are no better than worms festering in a barrel of apples. Then there is no hope. But in that case, the catastrophe is not an event imposed on the world, but a mindset.

    Catastrophes are not, I emphasize, going to destroy us. We have reason to be optimistic. Catastrophists, however, are reasons to be worried. It is their absolute denial of goodness in their neighbours that drives them to seek the power to determine mankind’s future. Maurice Strong, Al Gore, David Suzuki and those who support them in their attempts to impose their version of a better world on us are the real threat to mankind. Not CO2.

    Not politically correct, but true.

  33. vukcevic says:

    Doug Proctor says:
    May 5, 2012 at 11:19 pm
    ……………..
    You are correct; I have added spectral response, which for the TSI and the Earth’s magnetic field wobble appear to be almost identical.
    http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/TMC.htm

  34. Doug Proctor says:

    Re: vukcevic says:
    May 6, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Cool!

    There are three turn-me-arounds. Try isolating and treat each separately and then join. I’m sure they are time specific and will fit your time-based graphs better.

    Doug

  35. adolfogiurfa says:

    @Vukcevic: You got it!, congratulations!….may we add the word “Electro” before Magnetic?
    Of course it would infuriate some of the most prestigious members of the “settled science” choir but truths are truths, and it is not for nothing we are living in “interesting times” (or an Apocalypse-revelation from above-) like this one.

  36. Phil says:

    Regarding the Earth’s polar magnetic fields, what I have found (actually in every chaotic circumstance) is that rate of change trumps the blunt forcing value. Not only the strength, but more importantly it is the movement of the pole(s), hence the interactive vector. The north/south annular modes hinge on magnetic/electromagnetic processes that take place via solar wind and the geomagnetic field + directional vectors. You can explain the GLAAM/LOD/SCL correlation easily. Remember, rate of change > blunt forcing value. QBO phenomenon can also be explained magnetically.

    What if I told you that the global temperature trend since 1878 could be explained by the movement rate of the magnetic north pole? Well, it can. Not dynamo, but tidal resonance & plasma electric circuits.

  37. Mydogsgotnonose says:

    Hi Wayne I am not a physicist so I have even more difficulty with the equations!

    However, what has gone wrong is that to simplify the equations, the two stream [up and down] approximation is used. The reality is that this assumes there is no scattering so above or below the detector you have a system of dilute emitters and absorbers.

    This is wrong. I believe the reality is pseudo-scattering with atmospheric absorption solely at heterogeneous interfaces, so at any point on the earth’s surface the Prevost exchange energy is the integral of what comes from back pseudo-scattering in the clear atmosphere plus pseudo-scattered grey body IR from clouds and bare aerosols that may arrive from over the horizon. Thus you have to integrate what heads off to and what arrives from the whole atmosphere and that’s over a local hemisphere.

    Incidentally, I got a sharp response on ClimateEtc to my analysis of what Houghton wrote. This is the exact quote: Page 11 of Houghton ‘The Physics of Atmospheres’ 3rd Ed.:

    ‘in the atmosphere conditions known as local thermodynamic equilibrium (LTE) prevail, which constitute a good enough approximation to equilibrium for black-body emission to be employed in the equation for emission”

    He later talks about grey body approximation but this cannot be used where you have GHGs.and clouds: The Meteorologists have really cocked this subject up with their insistence on the two-stream approximation as an approximation to reality.including equilibrium with the earth’s surface.

    Incidentally you can prove that the latter is not a black body by pointing out the 29 °C upper temperature for ocean SST. This is the temperature at which evaporation dominates the heat evolution so the radiation part has ceased to rise. I am open to expert advice from climate scientists but please do not tell me something that cannot be proved by direct, unambiguous experiment.

  38. Roger Andrews says:

    Getting back to the topic of this thread, Mexico has just passed a Climate Change Act that mandates:

    A 30% reduction in CO2 emissions by 2020
    A 50% reduction in CO2 emissions by 2050
    35% electricity from renewables by 2024.

    Mexico being what it is none of this will of course ever happen, but it’s depressing to note that the CAGW disease has spread to the Third World too.

  39. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    Concerning the Brave New Mexican World there’s an important political driver that maybe some dont know or appreciate
    Mexico is a new member of the IEA (and OECD) so it has to play Good Citizen.
    Among the IEA’s major powerbrokers, the US, Europe, Japan there is still some confused and declining commitment or engagement to the most extreme possible Global Warming hysteria, to stampede consumers into using less oil, one day or some day, and into buying new Green Gadgets & Gimmicks, right now
    The blahblah from IEA Ambassador Jones at the April Clean Energy Progress conference – his famous claim that “its almost sure global average temps will rise 6 degC by 2050″ (he said it, you can find the citation) – could be seen as a rallying cry to IEA and OECD Good Citizenry.
    Mexico is therefore semi-obliged to go with the flow and gurgle extreme and impossible so-called Clean Energy Targets as if it had any intention of funding and executing the programmes needed to achieve them

  40. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    The CAGW disease of political hype and exaggeration, to promote oil saving and developing green energy is especially schizophrenic in Mexico’s case.

    Like Norway, Denmark, UK – also in the IEA and OECD – Mexico is still an important if declining oil producer and gas producer (it has official plans and official high hopes to “massively develop” shale gas production)

    Like these oil producers, and even Saudi Arabia (on occasions, when grandstanding in the G20) the basic line is:

    We want you to buy our oil at the highest possible market price
    We want to completely give up fossil energy because using it disastrously changes the climate

    Interesting, no ? Not to me. It is pure schizophrenia or massive hypocrisy, take your pick.

  41. Roger Andrews says:

    “The CAGW disease of political hype and exaggeration, to promote oil saving and developing green energy is especially schizophrenic in Mexico’s case.”

    I think “opportunistic” is maybe a better word.

    There is of course no chance that Mexico can reduce its CO2 emissions by 30% by 2020 (it could do this only by raising fuel and electricity prices – both set by the government – to prohibitive levels, but there would be a revolution), and increasing renewable generation from the current level of 2% to 35% by 2024 is a physical impossibility. One could argue that the Mexican government is aware of this and therefore had no business presenting such an absurd plan in the first place.

    But here’s where cultural and social differences come into play.

    First, we Gringos regard the future as more or less predictable, but most Mexicans regard it as totally unpredictable. Sure, Mexicans make predictions, but no one expects them to pan out. (It’s reflected in the language. The future tense in Spanish is used to connote uncertainty, there are no exact Spanish equivalents for futuristic words such as “schedule” and “deadline” and no Spanish word at all for “research”.) So it’s perfectly OK to plan what you like. No one will take you seriously, or at least not here in Mexico.

    Second, whenever you pass a law to solve a problem in Latin America, the passage of the law is deemed to have solved the problem. Therefore by passing the Climate Change Act Mexico has solved its climate change problem. There’s no need to enforce the Act. (This is also reflected in the language, there being no exact Spanish equivalent for the word “enforcement” either.)

    Third, while almost everyone in the developed countries has an opinion on global warming, many Mexicans will never have heard of it, and even if they knew what it was they would still be a lot more concerned about where the next meal was coming from. Mexican politicians don’t really care about global warming either, and they certainly have no intention of seeing Mexico transition to a green and sustainable worker’s paradise. They like things the way they are.

    So why did Mexico pass CO2 emissions legislation? Here’s my take. Mexicans want Mexico to lead the developing world in something – anything – and since no other developing country is doing much they’ve decided they can at least lead the developing world in CO2 emissions reduction PLANNING. And they’re getting some excellent press as a result.

    And by the time 2020 comes around everyone will have forgotten what the goals of the Mexican Climate Change Act of 2102 were anyway.

  42. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    Like you say, supposedly only or mostly for “Latins” or “Club Meds” the planning of something with moult palavers is so much nicer than*executing* something, although executing miscreants is a fun thing, during and shortly after a revolution, Zapata style

    But what you say about Mexico’s linguistic and cultural heritage imported from Europe with the immigrants and the Spanish language – the heavy accent on talk instead of do – that also applies in Europe my friend !

    European energy transition plans have their most exalted form in Germany’s Energieende which means energy transformation – not just little old transition, but a Magick Transformation. So it doesnt have to be rational, it doesnt need any spending limits, its more than a Good Thing – its millenarian like the second coming of Jesus Christ, which Mexicans and lots of Europeans are waiting for with growing impatience

    I use the world schizophrenic and you use opportunitistc – but getting back to Ambassador Jones of the IEA opening the IEA’s Clean Energy Progress conference, I say he was knowingly lying by claiming global average temeratures will be sent (and are able be sent) 6 degrees celsius higher by 2050 or before 2050

    In this case he can be put on trial, at least in an ideal state, something like the Show Trials of Stalin or the Hague War Crimes tribunal

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  44. Stephen Wilde says:

    Vuk, as regards your link:

    http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/TMC.htm

    Could it work as follows:

    i) Sun changes cloudiness and albedo to alter energy input to the equatorial oceans and as part of that process we see magnetic changes at the poles.

    ii) The change in energy input to the equatorial oceans caused by cloudiness and albedo changes alters the temperature of the water along the routes of the various ocean currents shown in your link.

    iii) The change in ocean temperatures is reflected in changes in tropospheric air temperatures.

    iv) Throughout the process the size of the polar air masses is affected primarily by the top down solar effect and the width of the equatorial air masses is affected by both the solar effect at the poles AND the oceanic effect from below.

    The Antarctic circumpolar current would consequently vary as a result of solar effects at the poles but it would be an indirect consequence of the solar changes and not a direct consequence. The solar effect would be ‘processed’ by the changes in cloudiness and energy input to the equatorial oceans before the circumpolar current could be influenced.

    Is that consistent with your data ?

  45. Brian H says:

    There’s a poison pill in this article, the meme that deforestation and agriculture are dangerously altering the climate via wind patterns, etc. Every on-point study that I’ve seen directly refutes such claims, even the supposed source phenomena (re-forestation is actually the trend in the NH, and tropical forests don’t actually do what the ecologists etc. have always assumed, e.g.) And agriculture promotes local cloud formation, increasing albedo and rainfall, instead of the assumed reverse. Etc., etc.

    This article is just cover for a somewhat different anti-development agenda.

    p.s. And is trying too hard to sound literate: “is treated as so urgent, even imperious” is goofy. “imperious” means bossy, pushy. “Imperative” is probably what the author thought he was saying.

  46. Brian H says:

    Harriet Harridan says:
    May 5, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    I think that if you added the latest prodickjaculation (6K by 2050) it would run directly from the end of the Hadcrut line to the 2.5 / 2020 intercept at the upper right corner–a slope of 0.125°/yr!!

    The Big Lie is being embiggened ….

  47. Andrew MCKILLOP says:

    I wondered how long it would take to smoke out the whingers so proud of Bizniss As Usual
    The question is: Do you really think that clearing a half of the world’s entire tropical raniforests in less than 100 years would *not” have an impact on world climate ? Dream on !

    Concerning this backhander: “And is trying too hard to sound literate: “is treated as so urgent, even imperious” is goofy. “imperious” means bossy, pushy. “Imperative” is probably what the author thought he was saying”…. my answer is that when I want a bumptious individual to tell me what I thought I was saying I will ask the bumptious individual for his lousy advice. OK smiler ?

    [Reply] Uh-oh, vocabulary fight. :)

  48. Tenuc says:

    Uh-oh, vocabulary fight. :)

    Its’ useually the knits who do the nit-picking – the rest of us tnd to just reed the content… ;)

  49. vukcevic says:

    Stephen Wilde says:
    May 9, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    …….
    I have looked for some time at the N. Atlantic data, and have some idea how it might work, the Antarctic is still a mystery. North Atlantic is relatively orderly, while the SA not so
    http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/AOT.htm

  50. Joe Lalonde says:

    TB,

    I see many versions from other people on how the sun is suppose to be the magician for all kinds of events and activities pertaining to this planet.

    What I have found by just ONLY using physical evidence is that it gives off heat and particles.
    The rest of the processes on this planet is from what the gases, water and motion does with the heat and lack of it.
    We current lack the understanding of pressure when we use other measuring devices that have totally different densities compared to our gases. So, the measurements are gross weight on the planet surface and NOT the actual differences at many levels. Many observations can be attributed to the different levels of gas densities and their different compress abilities.
    Many levels of clouds float at certain heights yet are totally flat on the bottom while fluffy and massive in height.Pressure differences can explain many parameters we do not see yet do effect many areas of this planet. Evaporation is water wanting to turn to vapor, yet is being held to the planet surface by pressure.
    Weather balloons were used for measuring and observing but NOT including the overall picture to the different parameters surrounding the observations.
    Where do we get gravity from? what were the experiments and parameters to their conclusions? Where were they conducted and under what conditions?

    We are NOT allowed to question these as these are the foundations to the laws of consensus scientists. Much of these conclusions are for a totally foreign planet and not this one as much observed science missed what was unobserved.

  51. Sugel says:

    The U.S. produces about 25 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels; primarily because our economy is the largest in the world and we meet 85 percent of our energy needs through burning fossil fuels. The U.S. is projected to lower its carbon intensity by 25 percent from 2001 to 2025, and remain below the world average (Figure 6).

    [Reply] Can you give more detail? Projected by whom? On the basis of what study? Thanks