Limited Availability: Wind Controlled Climate: Thesis by Hans Jelbring

Posted: November 17, 2012 by tallbloke in atmosphere, books, climate, Energy, Ocean dynamics, solar system dynamics, weather

Hans Jelbring has kindly sent me seven copies of his successfully defended 1998 Doctoral Thesis ‘Wind Controlled Climate’ from Sweden. Nicely produced and bound, these are rare. I’m keeping one, and to cover production and postal costs from Sweden, these copies are for sale at the special introductory price of £12 inc VAT + postage to your location.

Given this historical moment as the momentum gathers around the new understanding of the causes of the atmospheric thermal enhancement, and Hans Jelbring’s authorship of an early paper pointing the way to a study of other planets as the correct method of confirming the effect of atmospheric mass rather than composition as the major cause of surface temperature level above grey-body baseline, this is a truly smart investment, and a bargain.

In fact a double bargain, because not only do you get a smart investment, but a wealth of knowledge provided by a fully qualified meteorologist on climate and weather which encompasses far more than the subset of phenomena we have been concentrating on here at the Talkshop since Christmas. I’m keeping one for my own library, so that means there is a mere half dozen available at this time. Use the donate button top left; first come, first served. I will request the additional postage charge at cost price including a sturdy envelope after orders have been placed.

Comments
  1. Joe's World says:

    TB,

    Wind and circulation move with planetary tilting. Straight planetary rotation would just have latitudes of straight flow with no movement to polar regions.
    But then we would have no water as the equatorial region would be much hotter and water would boil. The circulation from the poles are vital for keeping water cooler.

    [Reply] Joe, buy a copy of Hans’ Thesis and get yourself an extra dimension of understanding to talk about. ;)

  2. tallbloke says:

    One gone already – within five minutes of the article going online.

    Will the mystery buyer reveal his identity?? :)

  3. And now…only FIVE copies left. 8-)

  4. tallbloke says:

    A wise move sir, and smartly done. 8-)

  5. Stephen Wilde says:

    Did Hans sign them as he did mine ?

  6. tallbloke says:

    Whilst book sales proceed, let’s consider the role of wind and air movement generally.

    Here’s an interesting comment just posted on N&Z’s WUWT thread. Joe will like it.

    Gras Albert says:
    January 23, 2012 at 2:36 am

    NikolovHence, the evidence suggests that the lower troposphere contains much more kinetic energy than radiative transfer alone can account for!
    Indeed!, some of that kinetic energy is derived because the planet is rotating, consider a line drawn perpendicular to the surface and extended through the stratosphere. At any instant molecule A at 50km, molecule B at 10km and molecule C at the surface sit on that line, but the surface is rotating at 7.272 x 10-5 radians/sec (0.278 miles/second, 1000mph), does the atmosphere at 50km rotate with the same angular velocity? No it does not, just as convection triggered thermal bubbles never attain the horizontal velocity of the air mass in which they rise so there is an angular velocity gradient with increasing altitude. Where is the consideration in the energy budget of the effect on the lower troposphere of the constant movement of continental mountain ranges through an atmosphere which rotates at some fraction of the surface angular velocity?

    There is another atmospheric energy transfer system in regular operation which is never mentioned in Consensus Climate Theory, atmospheric (lee) waves, lee waves reach from the surface to the upper stratosphere, they extend hundreds of kilometres from their source and have been measured with vertical velocities exceeding 20m/s (40kts, 4000ft/min). Their capacity to do work dwarfs that of thunderstorms, with appropriate atmospheric conditions they operate 24/7 sometimes for several days continuously, the Maori label for the islands of New Zealand, the land of the long white cloud is highly appropriate, consider the work done to create a lenticular cloud system 1000km long and several km high!

    I applaud Nikolov et al for thinking outside the box, I challenge Joel Shore to start the same process

  7. Joe's World says:

    Thanks TB! :-)

    What many people do not realize is that kinetic energy and centrifugal force have totally unique properties.
    Very complex systems of one that tries compresses and expands depending on parameters and the other is friction based of movement.

  8. Brian H says:

    Mountains are fan blades!

  9. wayne says:

    “There is another atmospheric energy transfer system in regular operation which is never mentioned in Consensus Climate Theory, atmospheric (lee) waves, lee waves reach from the surface to the upper stratosphere, they extend hundreds of kilometres from their source and have been measured with vertical velocities exceeding 20m/s (40kts, 4000ft/min).”

    These lee waves for sure are impressive. I think the record sailplane altitude record still stands from the 70’s, a ride from 1000 feet to over 29000 feet off the Sierra Nevada range lee wave. I remember the pilot saying he could have climbed much higher but for the limited thermal protection, oxygen and a technical recording rule that limited his climb. In a good sailplane at that height you could fly 250 miles if you received no further lift!

  10. Tenuc says:

    Brian H says:
    January 24, 2012 at 6:55 am
    “Mountains are fan blades!”

    Well said, Brian!

    It is also interesting to posit what size of object an air molecule would see as a mountain ?

    At the scale of a man (6ft), mount Everest is 4838 times as big.

    At the scale of a nitrogen molecule (1.5 Angstroms), a 4mm bit of gravel is 5512 times as big.

    Therefore, if my back of a fag packet calcs are correct, there are many many more fan blades stirring the air than we can possibly imagine!

  11. Hans says:

    wayne says:

    January 24, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “There is another atmospheric energy transfer system in regular operation which is never mentioned in Consensus Climate Theory, atmospheric (lee) waves, lee waves reach from the surface to the upper stratosphere, they extend hundreds of kilometres from their source and have been measured with vertical velocities exceeding 20m/s (40kts, 4000ft/min).”

    Advection (horisontal convection) of energy by winds and and advection by current are equally important but the impact of winds are much faster. Think of hurricans, blizzards, heating of dark polar areas, katabatik winds, chinuks etc. The reason why I namened my thesis “Wind controlled Climate” is actually because of a basic idea realting to the way energy is moving from a reservoar into space.

    95 % of solar irradiation energy tha hit the ocean surface do penetrate 0-10 meter i to the ocean surface. The currents can make thia energy go deeper. The major physical process that can extract energy from the ocean surface is when winds are interacting with the sea surface or by the leafs of trees. Water evaporates and when it is in the air after condensation it has much easier to reach outer space as IR radiation. My studies showed that there are good longterm correlations between high average winds on earth and cold climate (ice ages versus interglacials).
    The major problem is basically to figur out why these winds get so much stronger during glacials than during interglacials. (averages over thousands of years)

    The verification of the statment above is found in aeolian sediments that can be extracted almost everywhere and especially in ice cores from Antarctica and Greenland.

  12. Ray C says:

    Hans says:
    January 26, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    “The major problem is basically to figur out why these winds get so much stronger during glacials than during interglacials. (averages over thousands of years)”

    It also gets progressively dustier towards and during glacials too, apparently. This provides more cloud condensation nuclei so more cloud cover (cooling) more precipitation (snow) and more wind due to dry and wet aerosol invigoration of convective process. This all add up to an aerosol driven increase in weather system intensity. The wind increase creates more aerosols in the form of dust from land and salt spray aerosol from the ocean, which just adds ‘fuel to the fire’, diving the climate to cold phase.
    So you could argue, too much heat, higher soil moisture deficit, dryer land gets more dust. This is the start of an exponential increase leading to climate variation. If the imbalance continues it becomes self perpetuating.
    It has been getting dustier over the last one hundred years so guess what!!!
    When a large enough area has frozen the atmospheric aerosol loading supply is cut off. This results in less cloud formation, a more benign atmosphere and the warming process starts over.

  13. Put me down for a copy Rog paypal payment coming your way any extra put in the general funds.

  14. Brian H says:

    tallperson;
    Gras Albert’s cited comment is pseudo-erudite, which bugs me. He hasn’t a clue what his “big phrase” means. Angular velocity is measured in degrees per second, not miles per hour. So the tip of a line extending 50 miles up is travelling at exactly the same angular velocity as every other point on the line, including the base.

  15. w.w.wygart says:

    Any chance we could get Dr. Jelbring to make his thesis available digitally through Scribd.com, Amazon or other electronic outlets? That way more of us can have a crack at it too, whilst sparing the odd tree.

    W^3

  16. tallbloke says:

    UPDATE:

    Hans has kindly sent me another half dozen copies (plus one already spoken for) of this superb piece of climatological and meteorological authorship. First come first served using the ‘donate link’ at the top of the left column.

    Perhaps people who received one of the first batch would like to provide a testimonial below.

  17. tchannon says:

    Why do the winds blast fast?

    Part of it will be mass reduction from lower water content. With good reason one of the old aeronautic units called the slug, a word with meaning.

    How much is part? No idea.

  18. Paul Vaughan says:

    Hans (January 26, 2012 at 3:22 pm) wrote:
    “The major problem is basically to figur out why these winds get so much stronger during glacials than during interglacials. (averages over thousands of years)”

    Steeper equator-pole temperature gradients (thermal wind relation).

  19. Max™ says:

    I imagine the bellows effect from the diurnal bulge shouldn’t be overlooked, I’m wondering if it the main thing that driving the Venutian winds, the planet rotates once every 248 Earth days, but the atmosphere makes it around every 4!

    If you looked down at a planet from above the pole and you could see the atmosphere well enough, it would look a little like a low camshaft lobe: http://constructiongrader.tpub.com/TM-5-3805-263-14P-2/img/TM-5-3805-263-14P-2_71_1.jpg

    The diurnal bulge tracks a bit behind the rotation so the whole atmosphere over the tropics winds up rising and falling a pretty impressive distance each day.

  20. Max™ says:

    Found this and it’s relevant so I’ll tack it on to the last post: http://arise-project.eu/atmospheric-dynamics.php