BBC: Has the sun gone to sleep?

Posted: January 17, 2014 by tchannon in Solar physics

Has the Sun gone to sleep?

17 January 2014 Last updated at 05:57 GMT

Scientists are saying that the Sun is in a phase of “solar lull” – meaning that it has fallen asleep – and it is baffling them.

History suggests that periods of unusual “solar lull” coincide with bitterly cold winters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25771510

BBC (television) Newsnight trailer.  Seem to have covered this before so I wonder what they will show this time?

Post by Tim

Comments
  1. Joe Public says:

    Where’s the Global Warming we’ve been promised?

  2. geran says:

    Sooooo,, will the Warmists now claim “it’s the Sun, stupid”???

  3. tallbloke says:

    The question not asked in the video of this I saw was whether the above averagely active Sun in the late C20th might have been as resposnible for the warming then as the quiet Sun is responsible for the cold winters now.

    I’m oiling my cluebat.

  4. Konrad. says:

    Tallbloke,
    I note that this is not the first recent mention of the upcoming extended solar minimum by the BBC.

    Shown early 2014 on on a government channel in Australia was a more extended BBC program with Maunder minimum discussed and ice-fairs shown. This program had a late 2013 production date. It concluded global warming was still real but could be reduced.

    This more recent segment is far more ambiguous in it’s conclusions. I’m sure 2014 will see many more similar programs toning down AGW while the “fresh water crisis” is ramped up.

    There is no need for the cluebat. It is clear that some at the BBC are well aware that the AGW hypothesis has failed. They are now desperately seeking an exit strategy. They need to explain the coming cooling, while still maintaining that they were right about CO2. If CO2 is shown not to cause AGW, then the evidence from Climategate of BBC collusion in the “cause” and the story of 28gate will ignite a public rage that would likely destroy their lifeblood, TV licensing. They are playing for their very survival.

    As you will have noticed, a great number of the fellow travellers in the CO2 scam are currently trying to engineer a “soft landing”. Heat hiding in the oceans, aerosol masking, NASA revising its planetary radiation budget and the rest.

    While the BBC exit strategy may have its short term appeal, ultimately a “hard landing” for the hoax is of far greater benefit to science, reason, freedom and democracy. I believe it is still up to sceptics to ensure a hard landing. The lame stream media have no interest in doing this, as they were playing on the wrong side.

  5. My take on this is that nobody reads Hubert Lamb anymore. One would think that the Climate Research Unit he founded would make some of his papers available online.

    Why is not Lamb required reading for climate science undergraduates? In Earth Science programs we are required to know something about what early geologists discovered. Why do climatologists seem to have no knowledge about climate prior to 1980?

    I am shocked to read that a solar scientist can state in public that he has not seen anything like the present phenomenon in 30 years, when he ought to image of the historical sunspot graph burned into his retinas. A solar scientist who is not familiar with the Dalton and Maunder Minima!

    Imagine if a geologist said that he had not seen a single live dinosaur his entire life! We would think he is having us on. But the BBC reporter did not suspect he was having them on or alternatively did not know that he would have studied these phenomena in his first year of solar studies.

    Or did he?

  6. oldbrew says:

    ‘Has the Sun gone to sleep?’

    The BBC went to sleep on this question years ago. Maybe the warmist anaesthetic is starting to wear off at last and they can drop their obvious policy bias? Unlikely perhaps, but if the embarrassment becomes acute enough it could happen.

    The cyclical behaviour of the Sun has been described in some detail by the likes of Charvatova who predicted the current low-sunspot cycle over a decade before it started.

  7. Geoff Sharp says:

    The cyclical behavior of the Sun has been described in some detail by the likes of Charvatova who predicted the current low-sunspot cycle over a decade before it started.

    Charvatova in 2007 predicted SC24 to reach a max of 140 SSN. Today she still seems confused but although she does not understand the disordered orbit correctly, she is responsible for a very important milestone in planetary theory.

  8. Me_Again says:

    Interesting stuff. The assumption of the presenter and one of the solar folks is that the planet is warming currently and that there’s no way to know whether the human warming will counter the cooling effect of the lower solar activity.

    But, if there is no human inspired global warming, then that leaves us with the imponderable caused by the difference in the atmospheric gases.

    We’ve been hearing about decline in sunspots from various sources for years so this isn’t new, you’d have to say that the solar scientists have become ‘mainstream if the beeb picks up on it.

  9. Adam Gallon says:

    Even made it onto my local radio station this morning.
    Anyone hear the “Beep….beeep.. this vehicle is reversing”?

  10. oldbrew says:

    Pierre Gosselin expresses surprise at the content of the BBC broadcast.

    ‘You almost get the feeling that even the BBC is starting to have doubts about the supposed coming warming, and are opening up to the possibility of cooling.’

    http://notrickszone.com/2014/01/18/watershed-bbc-now-sees-sun-developing-into-a-potent-21st-century-climate-factor-as-a-real-possibility/

  11. A C Osborn says:

    I posted this over on No Tricks Zone
    “Can’t you just see it coming, all the Windmills and Solar Panels will need to be junked because they will not work well with severe cooling, therefore they need to prepare the public for even more taxation to build lots of Coal (maybe), Gas and Nuclear power stations to combat the coming Ice Age.
    If you thought Carbon Taxes were high and stupid just wait till they get going on the new Meme.

    PS Nice to see Geoff Sharp in the comments again.

  12. Fanakapan says:

    Its likely that the Warming Scenario, as far as politicians are concerned, has run its course. The trick now will be for any who wish to be in power 15 years hence, to put some distance between themselves and the politicians who are nearing the end of their active careers, whilst at the same time preserving many of the lucrative cash cow taxes, like air travel tax, that came with the opportunity that the warming scare provided.

    Already we can see that Capital is fast jumping the Warming Ship, and the EU’s decision to halt windmill and solar subsidies within the next few years, will leave those novelties as merely device’s that allow the gullible to be parted from their money.

    It will be interesting to see if more governments follow Spain’s example of reneging on promised ‘Green’ subsidies. Recent experience of how quickly HM Government dumped certain eco provisions, seems to suggest that any who hoped to gain from sticking panels on their roofs, may well be disappointed :)

    However, the move from Warming, will be gradual, this will allow the likes of the CRU crowd to reach the Safe Zone of retirement, but also, and more importantly, let the Political Class reposition themselves at a pace that will be imperceptible to 99% of Coronation St viewers.

    Capital Flight effectively signals that the Global Warming period is over,

  13. goldminor says:

    tallbloke says:
    January 18, 2014 at 12:10 am
    —————————————
    Earlier today, I had a related thought. I have been on a thread at the Telegraph and a comment from a warmist made me respond ‘why wouldn’t the solar grand maximum and the above average series that came with it, be considered as the main reason for the warming?’. That would suggest that it takes several decades for the impact to be felt.

    This was my thought in response to the warmist argument of ‘why has the warming continued despite a less dynamic Sun?’. I never had a good response to that. Now I see this as a good argument, “because it takes several decades for the response to move through the complex systems that comprise the climate”. We are finally ‘seeing’ the results of a quieter Sun.

  14. KM says:

    Those who call it global warming are perhaps as in correct as those who say there is none. Global Change would be more accurate if I understand the concerns of 99% of scientists in thus regard. Many areas are experiencing drastic and/or more than usual changes: drought or extreme wetness, extreme heat or extreme cold, tornadoes where there were none before, more and harsher hurricanes, and extreme ice cap melting that is forcing indigenous animals from their homes and citizens from their lands due to rising sea levels. How in the world could the weather NOT rebel with so many people on this planet, and forcing Her to accept pollution and unbalance in the Eco system-She has to do something to survive!

    I can’t help but wonder if those who call foul the loudest live in milder areas and are blind to the others experiencing the wrath. I don’t want to be a ‘warmist,’ I want the world to be happy, but on the other hand, I don’t want to make the world worse by ignorance, sticking my head in the mud ignoring warnings of the scientific community. Caution is generally the better side to err on.

  15. oldbrew says:

    @ KM

    There’s caution and there’s fear. Looking to see if it’s clear both ways before crossing the road is exercising caution. Trying to ban all traffic or restrict it to walking speed because someone might get run over is pandering to fear.

  16. ren says:

    Solar activity decreases. Grows cosmic rays. Winter will be long ..

  17. ren says:

    Look at flight altitude.

  18. ren says:

    AO clearly declining.

  19. A C Osborn says:

    KM says:, just look at the language “How in the world could the weather NOT rebel with so many people on this planet, and forcing Her to accept pollution and unbalance in the Eco system-She has to do something to survive! ” ans “I want the world to be happy”.

    A really scientific response,