New cosmological model: Bye Bye Big Bang

Posted: August 3, 2010 by tallbloke in Astrophysics
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Twenty two years ago while studying for my degree in the history and philosophy of science I attended a lecture by the Astronomer Royale at my home town university. He told us that cosmology was on a firm footing, and that now they had quantified black holes and dark matter, complete understanding was just around the corner and they were just mopping up the last few details.

I burst out laughing, and got a dig in the ribs from my prof sitting next to me. 🙂

Ever since, I’ve been unsurprised to find that new and better telescopes and computers have brought astronomers and cosmologists and astrophysicists an endless stream of “surprises” to upset their apple cart.

Having realised that the Hubble ‘constant’ had been changed on a regular basis to save the big bang theory, I came to the conclusion that redshift didn’t mean what cosmologist thought it did, and that it was perfectly possible the speed of light had changed over the course of the history of the universe.

So I’m glad to see others have been thinking along the same lines:

July 29, 2010 by Lisa Zyga

By suggesting that mass, time, and length can be converted into one another as the universe evolves, Wun-Yi Shu has proposed a new class of cosmological models that may fit observations of the universe better than the current big bang model. What this means specifically is that the new models might explain the increasing acceleration of the universe without relying on a cosmological constant such as dark energy, as well as solve or eliminate other cosmological dilemmas such as the flatness problem and the horizon problem.

Read the rest of the Physorg article

More information: Wun-Yi Shu. “Cosmological Models with No Big Bang.” arXiv:1007.1750v1

Comments
  1. Stephen Wilde says:

    I’ve been doubtful about the reliance on the red shift for many years. It always seemed to me that one could account for it by variability in the speed of light rather than an expansion or contraction of the universe.

    Given the size of the universe and our profound ignorance about it I felt it was a bit of a stretch to assume light speed as a constant in all places and at all times.

    My favoured possibility was the presence of some aspect of the ‘texture’ of the universe that had a similar effect on the transmission of light through space as transmission through air has on sound waves where two objects are moving together or apart.

    This new proposition sounds just as likely and in fact may be just such a concept in essence.

    I mentioned my concerns to the astronomer Patrick Moore many years ago but his main interest is the moon and solar system so he was not inclined to engage on the issue.

  2. tallbloke says:

    Patrick Moore is a wise old owl, and did well to stay out of it. Making waves in a particle filled universe would have affected his broadcasting career. They might have dealt him the same treatment as David Bellamy and kicked off the airwaves. 🙂

  3. Nasif Nahle says:

    Wow! Thanks a lot for this article, Tallbloke! I always had thought it was me alone who didn’t trust in Big-Bangs and CCs. The apparent expansion of the universe could be easily explained by the negative pressure exerted by:

    1. The creation of particles and its immediate annihilation in the outer walls of false void that wraps our universe.

    2. The true void into which our universe is immersed, rotating and translating.

    3. The dispersion of photons as they pass through a medium. If photons contain energy (evidently they do) and are able to transfer its energy to other systems (evidently they do), it is obvious the wave-particles can vibrate and oscillate at different frequencies (and thus different wavelengths).

    4. The actual nature of the space. I cannot conceive the space “stretches” at will. The space doesn’t “stretch” either “squeezes”. It is matter or energy what stretches or squeezes into a non-expandable and uncompressible space.

    I had noticed since many years ago that the theory of the inflationary universe contradicts and eliminates the necessity of any miraculous Big-Bang or any providential “singularity” in the nothingness.

  4. tallbloke says:

    Heh, hi Nasif.
    The Chinese proverb is confirmed; we do already live in interesting times. 🙂

  5. P.G. Sharrow says:

    About time the “Big Bang” balloon was deflated. I hope that another just as bad is not being created. pg

  6. Zeke the Sneak says:

    “But because the universe is a 3-sphere in Shu’s models, the flatness problem “disappears automatically.” Similarly, the horizon problem occurs in standard cosmology because it should not be possible for distant places in the universe to share the same physical properties (as they do), since it should require communication faster than the speed of light due to their great distances.”

    My, that is a problem (-:

  7. Wanna see a universe from the outside and end speculation, then watch the image of it on a mirror.
    “As above so below”
    Do universes procreate to overcome entropy?

  8. Now you have the reason why on the Delphos frontispice it was written: γνῶθι σεαυτόν (“Know thyself”)

  9. tallbloke says:

    Over the door of Plato’s Academy it said something along the lines of:
    “Let no one who cannot think geometrically enter here”.

  10. That would be a real “spam filter”!

  11. Having worked with high power (10-20 kilowatts) beam klystrons using tuned cavities and UHF radio frequency drivers to modulate the beam current to develop 90db of gain for the output for tropospheric scatter transmitters. I know full well that the speed of electrons can be varied by electromagnetic modulation.

    In galaxies there are also the large scale magnetic fields that are modulated by variations in the local fields. The fields of laser studies have now shown that light can be slowed to a stop with induced interference patterns.

    If there exists fractional distillation forces in the stellar winds, that drive particle, and compound separation by their ionization sensitivity, there must be a outer shell on each heliopause a shell of free electrons suspended by gravity and separated by mutual static repulsion, that will be seen by incoming light as a static charge generated red shift, of some small amount. The more stellar envelopes light travels across the more the accumulated red shift.

    I see the universe as a continual amassing of matter into stars that radiate matter as energy until it has been red shifted enough, far enough away, that it slows down into matter again and again amasses by local gravity into another star, ad infinity.

    If it does form black holes they develop massive magnetic fields that spread the energy out by electromagnetic inductive effects that way till dissipated.

    Just some random thoughts…..

  12. tallbloke says:

    There are several ideas around as to what might slow light down, collectively known as tired light theories. Among the more interesting is the idea of the late Paul Marmet. http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/

    He thought the H2 molecules in interstellar space absorbs and re-emits photons in the forward direction at the same speed, but slightly delayed. H2 is invisible to our telescopes, and is the most abundant molecule in the cosmos. We can detect the spectroscopic signal of singleton Hydrogen atoms, but since they like to pair up, it would sem likely there is a lot of mass out there we can’t see in the form of H2.

    Leif Svalgaard says Marmet was a crank. Here are his qualifications.

    Paul Marmet (1932-2005)
    B. Sc., Ph. D. (Physics), Laval University
    O. C. (Order of Canada)
    F. R. S. C.
    Author of more than 100 papers in the field of Electron Spectroscopy.
    Professor, Physics, Laval University, Québec, Canada: 1962-83,
    Senior Research Officer, National Research Council of Canada: 1983-90,
    Visiting, Adjunct, Professor, University of Ottawa, 1990-99.

  13. P.G. Sharrow says:

    Richard Holle says:
    August 4, 2010 at 2:05 am

    “I see the universe as a continual amassing of matter into stars that radiate matter as energy until it has been red shifted enough, far enough away, that it slows down into matter again and again amasses by local gravity into another star, ad infinity.

    If it does form black holes they develop massive magnetic fields that spread the energy out by electromagnetic inductive effects that way till dissipated.”

    The above concept may be closer to the truth then most that I have seen. A universe of decay only is not logical. Neutron creation and decay is the key to all nuclear power, both fission and fusion. Electrons, photons and neutrinos are packets of energy that may be interchangable, differing only in EMF signature in test devices.
    I still have not seen or determined the explaination of the creation or decay of a proton, at least none that works for me. 😦

    The creation of protons from the stuff of space may well be the key to gravity, or gravity may be the key to the creation of protons from the stuff of space. ;-q

  14. Tenuc says:

    Much doubt has now been cast on the ‘Big Bang’ conjecture which has failed abysmally to deliver on its early promise.

    I like the ‘random thoughts’ from Richard Holle and the other excellent contributors to this thread.

    My own speculation is that what our senses observe as mass/matter is just an internal 3-D model created in our brains to make sense of what we observe. In reality only energy has real existence and what we perceive as matter is just different quasi-stable energy vibrations at differing strengths. When science starts to understand that the context of our reality is just an illusion, then better progress will be made.

    Perhaps the most stable vibrational configuration is that of the neutron, with Neutronium the building block of all we perceive. Neutronium, which is made up of only neutron. was first conjectured by Andreas von Antropoff back in the 1920’s, who thought it should have first place in the periodic table, with an atomic number of zero. Our old friend, the respected atomic physicist Oliver Manuel, thinks that stars have a small core of Neutronium which is the main generator of the EM energy we observe.

    The discovery of the structure of the neutron could perhaps provide the key to unlocking many of the current paradoxes of physics and how the cosmos operates.

  15. The Red-shifted Sun’s Spectrum

    How can you prove that the Red-shift is a distant indicator?

    How we can prove that the red-shift is a distant indicator? Experiment is not so expansive. Of course mainstream will never spend even a cent to help you. You can call your friends. Red-shift was a huge problem for the cyclic and infinite universe still. Now the problem is solved. I came to the great idea to receive the red-shifted Sun’s spectrum. Experiment about the red-shifted Sun’s spectrum needs not so many money and time.

    The great idea about the red-shifted Sun’s spectrum experiment is that. The experiment has two variants: you can repeat!

    1. Underwater experiment – Receiving of the different data (Z1, Z2, Z3…) in the different interior of the fresh water. You need special underwater receiver of the spectrum and a good sunny day without wind and water waves.

    2. The ground Experiment – Receiving of the different data(Z1, Z2, Z3…) through thickest windowpane (0.2m, 0.4m, 0.6m, 0.8m, 1m, 1.2m, 1.4m….) –

    I can help you to do thickest windowpane!

    The ground Experiment needs a special construction of the spectrum receiver, 7-small tube of iron 200x50mm and 6-screw sockets. After screwing small iron tubes, you have to fill fully all tubes by liquid glass and both ends (surfaces) should be polished. Closely connected thickest windowpanes through small tubes create tired (quantum) light. Of course spectrum receiver receives red-shifted spectrum of the Sun.

    I’ve sent technical description of the experiment for the my adherents.

    Let me know about your results!

  16. Zeke the Sneak says:

    Perhaps it would be useful in the discussion of red shift=distance if we looked at a specific object in space that is highly redshifted. I have heard of objects in which z=5, but suppose we look at a quasar z=1.25.

    I believe you can see a quasar here in this APOD, at the lower right.

    The galaxy in the foreground z=.018 is much closer, according to redshift=distance models. And the quasar z=1.25 is supposed to be much farther away, receeding.

  17. Zeke the Sneak says:

    That quasar does not get mentioned in the APOD, and interestingly, neither does the other quasar located above Arp220.

    The second quasar’s redshift z=1.26 matches very closely that of the first, z=1.25.

    Whatsmore, if you draw a line along the axis of the galaxy’s nucleus, the quasars showing similar spectra also align.

  18. As for Wun-Yi Shu the heart of the universe is beating. All the theories and fantasies about red/blue shift could be explained by common refraction/difracction, angle of observation, etc.
    Then, we know nothing, that’s a good beginning.”Don’t be afraid baby, phantoms do not exist!”

  19. Zeke the Sneak says:

    Adolfo Giurfa says:
    August 4, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    As for Wun-Yi Shu the heart of the universe is beating.

    Hello Adolfo.
    Speaking of heartbeats, we may not be able to discern yet whether the universe itself has a rythmic expansion and contraction to it, but we can see something in the heart of our own Milky Way which resembles a heartbeat:

    “There is an overabundance of X-ray transients in the inner parsec of the Galactic Center compared to the overall distribution of X-ray sources. Recent observations show that X-ray flares fire roughly every 20 minutes – a regularity that is hard to explain in terms of erratic infall of matter into a black hole. But clockwork regularity of plasma discharges already explains the pulsations from other bodies in deep space.”
    ~Wal Thornhill

  20. The beauty of all this you can watch it on the Andromeda image above. We are safely connected to the Center!

  21. That’s the light from Mount Tabor.

  22. P.G. Sharrow says:

    Neutrons are no problem. A hydrogen atom in its’ smallest most compressed condition is a neutron. Set a single neutron on its’ own, in standard conditions, and it will change back into a proton with its’ electron shell, a hydrogen atom. It looses a tiny amount of mass and releases energy. Mass, not matter, conversion to energy.

    But what the heck is a proton?

  23. tallbloke says:

    PG.
    Here you go, a couple of photos of a carbon atom. You can’t see the proton for the electron clouds however.
    Gods Balls

  24. tallbloke says:

    Zeke,
    Have a read of this rather tetchy thread at your liesure when you find time.
    Ray Tomes doing his best to talk to the gatekeepers of the party line:
    http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/63170-Quantized-Redshift-revisited

    He got banned in the end, they couldn’t handle it.

  25. tallbloke says:
    August 4, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    Octaves’ periodicity. A keyboard of 16 octaves each!

  26. Tenuc says:

    P.G. Sharrow says:
    August 4, 2010 at 7:43 pm
    “But what the heck is a proton?”

    A neutron is an ensemble of 11 quantised vibrating/spinning energy packets (2 up quarks, 1 anti-up quark, 2 positrons, 2 electrons, 2 neutrinos, and 2 anti-neutrinos.

    A proton is simply a neutron which has lost an electron and an anti-neutrino, This ensemble of energy quanta now has a different combination of vibration and spin.

    From:- Energy from Electrons and Matter from Protons: A Preliminary Model Based on Observer Physics by Douglass A. White

    Paper available here:-

    Click to access EnergyMassEP.pdf

  27. If there is a “keyboard” in every galaxy we´ll find the shorter wave lengths and higher frequencies in the center and longer wave lengths and lower frequencies at the periphery…where we are. So we are way down the scale, to the left of the keyboard, among the gravest notes. A long way up.

  28. tallbloke says:

    Adolfo, I recommend you take a read of Ray Tomes stuff on harmonic theory. He has worked out a ‘base frequency’ for the universe, and thinks that the other differentiated phenomena in it derive from imperfect sub harmonics of it which then generate other frequencies and resonances. It’s a theory which has a lot of explanatory power.

    http://ray.tomes.biz/

    Ray is also the current chairman of the Cycles Research Institute

    http://cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpress.com/

  29. Zeke the Sneak says:

    Have a read of this rather tetchy thread at your liesure when you find time.
    Ray Tomes doing his best to talk to the gatekeepers of the party line:
    http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/63170-Quantized-Redshift-revisited

    He got banned in the end, they couldn’t handle it.

    Thanks tallbloke, that was quite a prefrontal blast! 😀 I got down to the point where poster “Nereid” joined the conversation. I also followed a discussion you had with Dr S on the subject some months ago with great interest.

    Dr S’s response was that red shift is not quantized, citing I think this abstract.

    It is interesting that in that paper, they are taking the quasars away from their parent galaxies, and making averages, and they are superimposing very specific predicted frequencies for values for z, as well as setting very specific distances from the parent galaxy, in order to determine if there is any periodicity. And they conclude that redshift is not quantized, and quasars are practically randomly distributed. At least, it seems to me that is what they are doing:

    Click to access 62464.web.pdf

  30. tallbloke says:

    Yeah, I find the navel gazing of astrophysicists a bit like going to a sci fi movie…

    I’ll tack the paper onto my reading list, but it might still be near the top of the intray in a good while. 🙂

    I think the main takeaway point is that most catalogues don’t have the necessary resolution to determine the issue.

  31. Zeke the Sneak says:

    I would defer to any further, better analysis of their methods if any one cares to have a look.

    To contrast and show the ACTUAL numerical probability of quasars being located as frequently as they are along the axis of active galaxies, I am quoting from Halton Arp’s book:

    Just Another Experimentum Crucis – NGC4258

    The referee’s unconscious satire, “just anothere isolated case” was accompanied by deprecatory remarks such as “the quasars are not that well aligned” and “they are not exactly spaced across the nucleus of the galaxy.” Of course a normal person would simply glance at the pair of X-ray sources across NGC4258 and realize they were physically associated. The average astronomer, however, would look at them and start to argue that they must be accidental, because astronomers now feel compelled to fit the the observations to the theory and not vice versa.

    Consequently, to head off the derogatory rumors which pass for scientific evaluation, someone had to compute a numerical probabliity. Basically, this meant comparing how dense the associated x-ray sources are on average over the sky at a given apparent brightness. Then I had to ask myself: What is the chance of a source of a given brightness falling this close to an arbitrary point in the sky? Given the chance that the first one falls accidentally as close as the measured distance, then one must multiply by the chance that the second one falls at its observed distance. (I.e. if one out of ten will have a source as close as the real case then only one out of 100 will have two such sources.) Of course, this does not include the improbability that they would be aligned across the nucleus of NGC4258 to within 3.3 degrees out of a possible 180. Nor does it include the improbability that they would be so equally spaced across the nucleus. Nor does it include the similar strengths and energy distributions of the two sources (which would not be expected from random, unrelated sources).

    Altogether the chance of this pairing of x-ray sources across NGC4258 being accidental is only 5 x 10^-6 (5 chances in a million).

    When it was confirmed that both sources were quasars, their redshifts became available. It was immediatesly apparent to anyone experienced with quasar spectra that these two were unusually similar (fig 1-2). A conservative probability for this similarity can be estimated at 0.08. Therefore the total probability of this assoceation being accidental, became < 4 x 10^-7 (less than 4 in ten million).

    [Keeping in mind that Arp found 100's of these associated objects, many with bridges of matter connecting the quasars with the galaxies]

    cont'd

  32. Zeke the Sneak says:

    Oh thanks, posts crossed. Just putting up some perspective, in his own words, from the man who made the discoveries so long ago, as a matter of historic interest.

  33. tallbloke says:

    I should have said ‘mainstream’ astrophysicists. But then, Halton Arp *was* a mainstream astrophysicist until he committed the unmentionable heresy of questioning the Holy constant of Hubble.

    Then the Protectors of Orthodoxy went all Cardinal on him and denied him telescope time, instantly driving back progress in astronomy 500 years.

  34. Zeke the Sneak says:

    (cont’d)

    Scientists claim that for acceptable scientfic rigor, numerical probabilities must be calculated. but no matter how intimidatingly complex the calculation, no matter how small the probabbility of accident may be, the calculation does not tell you whether the result is true or not. In fact, no matter how significant the number is, scientists won’t believe if they don’t want to. When I sumbitted the paper with the calculations on NGC4258 which were claimed to be scientifically necessary, it was not even rejected, just put into an indefinite holding pattern and never acted upon to this day [1998].

    from Redshifts, Cosmology and Academic Science by Halton Arp

  35. Zeke the Sneak says:

    tallbloke says: I should have said ‘mainstream’ astrophysicists. But then, Halton Arp *was* a mainstream astrophysicist until he committed the unmentionable heresy of questioning the Holy constant of Hubble.

    Yes, and the long and short of it is that active galaxies are ejecting quasars – new matter. That is quite a different picture that an explosion followed by an expanding universe; the Big Bang has already been falsified.

  36. Ulric Lyons says:

    tallbloke says:
    August 6, 2010 at 6:40 am
    Adolfo, I recommend you take a read of Ray Tomes stuff on harmonic theory. He has worked out a ‘base frequency’ for the universe, and thinks that the other differentiated phenomena in it derive from imperfect sub harmonics of it which then generate other frequencies and resonances. It’s a theory which has a lot of explanatory power.
    ********************************
    That`s very Shakti, the all pervading vibration that forms everything.

  37. Then there is the idea that all mater is just the manifestation of ultra low frequency standing electromagnetic / gravity waves that manifest as solid matter. Time is but the local disharmony shifting the apparent physical manifestation, giving rise to the illusion of movement, as the standing waves modulation drifts through the viewer, in multiple dimensions.

  38. tallbloke says:

    More facts which don’t fit the theory:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11011118
    A collapsed star which should have formed a black hole – but didn’t.

  39. Luckily there is a new army of knights, reincarnated from above (though some of them may ignore it), who brandishing big swords, shaped like the awful and meaningful hermetic caduceus, and throwing out powerful and blazing Birkeland’s currents will spin the heads of those evil ones in a 270 degrees turn. 🙂

  40. David says:

    tallbloke says:
    August 6, 2010 at 6:40 am
    Adolfo, I recommend you take a read of Ray Tomes stuff on harmonic theory. He has worked out a ‘base frequency’ for the universe, and thinks that the other differentiated phenomena in it derive from imperfect sub harmonics of it which then generate other frequencies and resonances. It’s a theory which has a lot of explanatory power.
    http://ray.tomes.biz/
    Ray is also the current chairman of the Cycles Research Institute
    http://cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpress.com/

    Well Tallbloke, to stray a little this is not a new concept as it is the basis of Indian theology which projects the age of the earth at about 4.5 billion, among many other advanced concepts. The following is from the writing of Paramahansa Yogananda.

    India, music … is considered a divine art. Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva—the Eternal Trinity—were the first musicians. The Divine Dancer Shiva is scripturally represented as having worked out the infinite modes of rhythm in His cosmic dance of universal creation, preservation, and dissolution, …Saraswati, goddess of wisdom, is symbolized as performing on the vina, mother of all stringed instruments.

    The Sama Veda of India contains the world’s earliest writings on musical science. The foundation stone of Hindu music is the ragas or fixed melodic scales. The six basic ragas branch out into 126 derivative raginis (wives) and putras (sons). Each raga has a minimum of five notes: a leading note (vadi or king), a secondary note (samavadi or prime minister), helping notes (anuvadi, attendants), and a dissonant note (vivadi, the enemy).
    Each one of the six basic ragas has a natural correspondence with a certain hour of the day, season of the year, and a presiding deity who bestows a particular potency. Thus, (1) the Hindole Raga is heard only at dawn in the spring, to evoke the mood of universal love; (2) Deepaka Raga is played during the evening in summer, to arouse compassion; (3) Megha Raga is a melody for midday in the rainy season, to summon courage; (4) Bhairava Raga is played in the mornings of August, September, October, to achieve tranquillity; (5) Sri Raga is reserved for autumn twilights, to attain pure love; (6) Malkounsa Raga is heard at midnights in winter, for valor.

    The ancient rishis discovered these laws of sound alliance between nature and man. Because nature is an objectification of Aum, the Primal Sound or Vibratory Word, man can obtain control over all natural manifestations through the use of certain mantras or chants. 7 Historical documents tell of the remarkable powers possessed by Miyan Tan Sen, sixteenth century court musician for Akbar the Great. Commanded by the Emperor to sing a night raga while the sun was overhead, Tan Sen intoned a mantra which instantly caused the whole palace precincts to become enveloped in darkness.
    Indian music divides the octave into 22 srutis or demi-semitones. These microtonal intervals permit fine shades of musical expression unattainable by the Western chromatic scale of 12 semitones. Each one of the seven basic notes of the octave is associated in Hindu mythology with a color, and the natural cry of a bird or beast— Do with green, and the peacock; Re with red, and the skylark; Mi with golden, and the goat; Fa with yellowish white, and the heron; Sol with black, and the nightingale; La with yellow, and the horse; Si with a combination of all colors, and the elephant.
    Three scales—major, harmonic minor, melodic minor—are the only ones which Occidental music employs, but Indian music outlines 72 thatas or scales. The musician has a creative scope for endless improvisation around the fixed traditional melody or raga; he concentrates on the sentiment or definitive mood of the structural theme and then embroiders it to the limits of his own originality. The Hindu musician does not read set notes; he clothes anew at each playing the bare skeleton of the raga, often confining himself to a single melodic sequence, stressing by repetition all its subtle microtonal and rhythmic variations. Bach, among Western composers, had an understanding of the charm and power of repetitious sound slightly differentiated in a hundred complex ways.
    Ancient Sanskrit literature describes 120 talas or time-measures. The traditional founder of Hindu music, Bharata, is said to have isolated 32 kinds of tala in the song of a lark. The origin of tala or rhythm is rooted in human movements—the double time of walking, and the triple time of respiration in sleep, when inhalation is twice the length of exhalation. India has always recognized the human voice as the most perfect instrument of sound. Hindu music therefore largely confines itself to the voice range of three octaves. For the same reason, melody (relation of successive notes) is stressed, rather than harmony (relation of simultaneous notes).
    The deeper aim of the early rishi-musicians was to blend the singer with the Cosmic Song which can be heard through awakening of man’s occult spinal centers. Indian music is a subjective, spiritual, and individualistic art, aiming not at symphonic brilliance but at personal harmony with the Oversoul. The Sanskrit word for musician is bhagavathar, “he who sings the praises of God.” The sankirtans or musical gatherings are an effective form of yoga or spiritual discipline, necessitating deep concentration, intense absorption in the seed thought and sound. Because man himself is an expression of the Creative Word, sound has the most potent and immediate effect on him, offering a way to remembrance of his divine origin.

  41. David says:

    Tallbloke I found this more condensed version of the role of sound and vibration in creating separate elements which shows such ideas ere far more ecumenical then commonly realized.

    Aum (Om). The Sanskrit root word or seed-sound symbolizing that aspect of Godhead which creates and sustains all things; Cosmic Vibration. Aum of the Vedas became the sacred word Hum of the Tibetans; Amin of the Moslems; and Amen of the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Jews, and Christians. The world’s great religions state that all created things originate in the cosmic vibratory energy of Aum or Amen, the Word or Holy Ghost. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God….All things were made by him [the Word or Aum]; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:1, 3).

    Amen in Hebrew means sure, faithful. “These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God” (Revelation 3:14). Even as sound is produced by the vibration of a running motor, so the omnipresent sound of Aum faithfully testifies to the running of the “Cosmic Motor,” which upholds all life and every particle of creation through vibratory energy.

  42. @David says:
    January 16, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    But how does it relate, or rather “translates” into nowadays physical language?. Symbols are really “working machines” in our universe. Years ago the Catholic Church thought that by “tranlating”into local languages their “effective”latin ritual mass, they were doing such a “translation”….Well, they got it totally wrong and it loss its “canon” and effctiveness, though not to the itellect but to feelings and “experience”in general.
    Such a translation, if possible, should make a bridge between symbols and empyrical science, which is absolutely possible.
    http://www.giurfa.com/unified_field.mht

  43. David says:

    Adolfo Giurfa says:
    January 16, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    @David says:
    January 16, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    But how does it relate, or rather “translates” into nowadays physical language?.

    Adolfo, sorry I do not think I can help in this request, although as to feeling and experience perhaps you will gain something here: http://www.iamsubbu.com/Yogananda/30.asp.htm