Electric Universe open thread

Posted: January 8, 2011 by tallbloke in Astrophysics

So the suggestions thread doesn’t get cluttered, here’s an open thread for people to contribute whatever they want to on the subject of the Electric Universe hypothesis.

 

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040924electric-universe.htm

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  1. It is said that Dante Alighieri belonged to a society called “I fedeli D´Amore” (The faithful to Love or the lovers of love”), perhaps wrongly interpreted as an association of poets, but pointing out to the fact that the Universe works by the forces of love, i.e:attraction, repulsion and , the third force: Silence/space/separation (phase angle in electricity).
    Max Planck´s equation it is a unified field equation, if his constant could vary as it varies the “phase angle” of an alternate current. The equation for Power it is the same equation as Planck´s, though practical electricians have added(?) the Sin and Cos (each angle of 45°=0.70711) as considering both positive, and so they use 1.41422 as their factor for power (which,btw, it´s the same as Sqr.2; and this is why Pythagoras was able to explain everything by varying the “legs” of his squared triangle of forces).
    This mistake and the inclusion of different “Holy” names (“Joules” in the first case and “Watts”, in the second) has “divorced” those two similar equations.
    The three forces (+, -, space)are present in the traditional PI number=3.142857…., which shows us: 3 + 1/7, meaning that in the only possible circle, one moving circle, part of a developing sinus spiral, going to the “Apex” as the Solar System, has three “gaps” or holes (along the developing Octave-7-), where it changes direction to go ahead.
    My humble contribution to the REVELATION (Αποκάλυψις= Apocalipsis) of the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE:
    http://www.giurfa.com/unified_field.mht

    Click to access unified_field_explained_9.pdf

    http://www.giurfa.com/unified_field.xls

  2. tallbloke says:

    Video of presentation given by Donald Scott to NASA available here:
    http://www.thunderbolts.info/mmarchives/090608_gsfcdsp.htm
    WARNING BIG DOWNLOAD – 200 Meg!

    Discussion and links to slides etc here:
    http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=22224&sid=f32798dac61e8c1331b30fe1d56fda26

  3. Michele says:

    Simple….
    The “mathematics” shows that the electric universe is not the verity absolute !
    Why??
    Now we count…
    0…..1……2…etc…

    The Electric Universe is based on duality (2)

    Example:
    + / –
    or
    High / Low
    or
    Good / bad

    “0”…..
    Zero is a curve (drawing paper “0”)
    The rotation,the irrational is the verity !
    The irrationl is crazy….
    Non good….no bad..
    We must be crazy,children,shamans,St. Francis….
    Clear your mind !

    🙂

  4. orkneylad says:

    Adolfo,

    I’d love to know more about this ‘Pi -Solar octave’ idea that you hint at above…..I’m currently reading Newton’s Scholia to Propositions IV-IX of Book II of Principia, where he asserts that Pythagoras’ string/tonal discoveries were an esoteric transmission of heliocentricity & of the mass & distance proportions of the Planets & Sun….which was lost through later misunderstanding.

    The following may be of relevance to EU theory & some people here on this fine blog:

    The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
    http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/blog/?p=1233

    best,
    OL

  5. tallbloke says:

    Thanks OL, good old Thomas Kuhn.

    Newton, in the ‘Optics’ set up an experiment where he split light into the seven colours of the rainbow, and marked the boundaries where the colours changed on the wall he projected them onto. He found the ratios between the band widths also matched the Pythagorean musical intervals.

    Thinking he may have fudged it, I repeated the experiment and got other people who were unaware of the purpose to mark the boundaries as they perceived them. When I averaged the results, they agreed with Newton’s to within 3%.

  6. orkneylad says:

    Fascinating stuff TB……My goodness you learn something new everyday!
    I can see my thoughts drifting towards a forage for ‘sevens’ in the numerological forest……

    best regards,
    OL

  7. suricat says:

    tallbloke.

    “Newton, in the ‘Optics’ set up an experiment where he split light into the seven colours of the rainbow, and marked the boundaries where the colours changed on the wall he projected them onto. He found the ratios between the band widths also matched the Pythagorean musical intervals.

    Thinking he may have fudged it, I repeated the experiment and got other people who were unaware of the purpose to mark the boundaries as they perceived them. When I averaged the results, they agreed with Newton’s to within 3%.”

    I can understand your pessimism. A base of seven has Jesuit and Greek origins (seven stick candelabra, seven deadly sins etc.), but colour perception is a human thing. There are those of us that see less colours (due to degrees of colour blindness) and those that can see more than seven colours (UVa sensitive subjects). Myself I can only see six colours within the vis spectrum, but also know that I can produce these by mixing the three primary radiant colours of that spectrum (red, yellow and blue). So what do I see? A varying mix of three separate colours, or seven (six in my case) separate colours?

    I’m sorry to say that a ‘straw pole’ is not a scientific way to go about gaining interest for your findings. It lacks depth and span. The span of the participating subjects and the depth to which each subject is able to respond to the pole.

    Best regards, Ray Dart.

  8. suricat says:

    Adolfo Giufa.

    I find your post hard to digest. If this knowledge was gained from growing crystals of a particular size, then surely electrolysis is the main conjecture here and I don’t see where ‘gravity’, or a ‘unified theory’, can have a place in your proposition.

    Salts grow their structural architecture by means of opportunity within the local natural surroundings. The growth usually follows a patern of local electrostatic forces. You’ll need to convince me otherwise.

    Best regards, Ray Dart.

  9. Tenuc says:

    For those who are unsure of the detail of EU theory there is a good primer by Donald E. Scott Ph.D (Electrical engineering) here:-

    http://www.electric-cosmos.org/indexOLD.htm

    I’ll have a look through some of the Miles Mathis stuff on charge field, gravity and planetary motion when I get time and provide some links. His ideas have much impact on our understanding of the link between gravity, the charge field and the Universe and everything… 🙂

  10. E O'Connor says:

    Tallbloke

    What if the experiment was repeated with various types of synesthetes? 😉

  11. tallbloke says:

    EOC, they’d probably be hearing the ‘five tones’ from ‘close encounters’ 😉

  12. E O'Connor says:

    Lol

  13. tallbloke says:

    Reposted for Adolfo:
    Adolfo Giurfa says:
    January 9, 2011 at 4:10 pm (Edit)
    vukcevic says:
    January 9, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    Your electromagnetic effect is the most possible scenario. Those of the “pebbles universe” is not; why?…because chances are when we see the Sun we are just seeing its superior plasma atmosphere and we know nothing what there is “behind those clouds”.
    What governs the universe it is not this “mechanical movement of pebbles” but the interaction of charges/waves.

    Adolfo Giurfa says:
    January 9, 2011 at 5:15 pm (Edit)
    vukcevic says:
    January 9, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    Sun’s polar and the sunspot magnetic fields alternate with spatial and temporal 90 degrees separation, which is fundamental to electro-magnetic relationship..
    The old Inka civilization, in Peru, had an expression in Quechua (their language):
    “Imataq Ch´ekkari” (pron.:eemahtak ch´ekkahree), which means: Truth and Certainty, which derives from Ch´ekkalluwa=Diagonal, and both diagonals of the truth were the X, the Pythagorean “Tetraktis”, symbolized in the famous “crossed hands” : (*)
    http://peruinka.blogspot.com/2007/07/kotoshlas-manos-que-se-cruzan-en-el.html

  14. suricat says:

    tallbloke.

    I think we have both a cultural and linguistic problem between ‘Adolfo’ and ‘Vukcevic’!

    This’ll be difficult to reconcile, but hey, let’s have a go (with a bit of help from friends)!

    Best regards, Ray Dart.

  15. suricat says:
    January 10, 2011 at 2:41 am :
    🙂 …just trying to make reference to traditional knowledge, expressed everywhere and in every culture, which show and confirm acting general laws. “Magister Ludi” Tallbloke has recognize it as to allow this discussion in this open blog.

  16. suricat says:

    Adolfo.

    I translate “Magister Ludi” as ‘Luddite’s Magistrate’, or ‘Magistrate to the Luddites’ in UK English (please tell me if I’m wrong on this). Though, ‘a magistrate to the masses’ (Luddites [or union convenor]) seems a more appropriate descriptor for our host (to break from the Latin to the French: ‘Advocat au Massés’).

    After all, it is his site! 🙂

    However, it’s nice to know that our host is receptive to ‘unusual data’.

    Best regards, Ray Dart.

  17. Etruscan says:

    The Internet is humming with the discussion of what has caused the mysterious bird and fish die-offs. There are many theories, but here’s something that caught my eye, the possibility that a secret form of advanced weaponry is being tested. It may be related to research first done by Nikola Tesla. I thought you would find it interesting. It’s called Scalar Technology. Here’s a website that offers details:
    http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm

  18. orkneylad says:

    Etruscan – I have some info on my site you might find interesting:

    Nicola Tesla’s Radiant Energy

    OHC_vs_TOA_energy_accumulation_full

    Plasma & Electro-Magnetic Earthquake Precursors
    http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/blog/?p=1258

    HAARP: Healthy Science or Pandora’s Box?
    http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/blog/?p=1299

  19. E O'Connor says:

    Starlings do it
    late October 1988, Washingston State
    The birds all suffered crunched chests and blood clots in hearts and lungs

    Even Lapland Longspurs do it
    March 1904, Minnesota
    similar injuries

    http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf121/sf121p09.htm

  20. P.G. Sharrow says:

    There was a simular event 10 days ago in Sweden the picture showed several hundred dead birds in snow or actually heavy large hail stones. The same injuries that were in the Arkansas bird die off. pg

  21. tallbloke says:

    EOC, was Tesla doing field tests in 1904?
    PG, the hailstones are probably a clue.

    http://www.newser.com/story/108746/arkansas-tornado-leaves-3-dead.html
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/green/bs-gr-fish-kill-bay-20110104,0,5624655.story

    I was surprised how much the air temperature warmed near me yesterday. There was no wind to bring warm air from anywhere, and not much sun, and the ground is still cold. I wonder if there is an electromagnetic explanation for it?

  22. orkneylad says:
    January 12, 2011 at 11:40 pm
    Tesla patent is here:

    Click to access tesla_patent.pdf

  23. Tenuc says:

    tallbloke says:
    January 13, 2011 at 8:30 am
    “…I was surprised how much the air temperature warmed near me yesterday. There was no wind to bring warm air from anywhere, and not much sun, and the ground is still cold. I wonder if there is an electromagnetic explanation for it?”

    Same thing happened on Tuesday here in Sunny Sussex. I put it down to a rapid increase in air pressure (hPa went from -0.12 to +0.12 in ~3hr). Worth checking your end Roger?

  24. Tenuc says:
    January 13, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    Circadian Rhythms associated with changes in blood pressure…and, of course, associated to EM fields.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm

  25. P.G. Sharrow says:

    tallbloke says:
    January 13, 2011 at 8:30 am
    I was surprised how much the air temperature warmed near me yesterday. There was no wind to bring warm air from anywhere, and not much sun, and the ground is still cold. I wonder if there is an electromagnetic explanation for it?

    Some kind of compression. Need some kind of EMF field and Gravity setup to monitor local changes. Like a Stevenson shed weather station. pg

  26. E O'Connor says:

    Tesla’s notes from Colorado Springs end in 1901. His notes from 1901 including Wardenclyffe are held by the Tesla Museum in Belgrade. There is an article, by Leland Anderson, “Rare Notes from Tesla on Wardenclyffe”, in the ‘Electric Spacecraft’ Journal (Issue 26, 14 Sep 1998), using copies of rare documents from the Tesla Museum in Belgrade, including Tesla’s notes and sketches from 1901.
    http://electricspacecraft.com/bissues.htm

    The US GeoSurvey’s National Widlife Health Centre performed necropsies on the Arkansas birds and further lab tests are being done. Seems noise events were common to the Arkansas and the Swedish event.

  27. tallbloke says:

    Do you remember that thing last year with the weird spiral light in the sky over Norway? There was a rumour that there is a HAARP installation up there.

    http://www.examiner.com/strange-mysterious-facts-in-national/strange-blue-light-spiral-over-norway

  28. E O'Connor says:

    Some great images of the spiral and an explanation involving a Russian ICBM at the SpaceWeather site

    http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=10&month=12&year=2009

    Have you found out what caused the mysterious large polyna that opened up around you and Tenuc on the 12th?

  29. tallbloke says:

    Russian ICBM my Ar*e. Have you watched the video of that spiral light?

    “Polyna” is a Russian word meaning “an enclosed area of unfrozen water surrounded by ice.”

    Well, it has warmed up generally over the UK in the last week. I just find it all a bit mysterious. I’m not sure what Tenuc meant by “higher pressure” since that’s uisually associated with cold in the winter here, and compressing the atmosphere locally by 988/1012mBar isn’t going to cause much heating is it?

    Maybe the southwesterly wind was bringing warmer air from the Caribbean at higher altitudes and that ‘mixed downwards’ to the surface. Somehow.

    I need to read a couple of books on meteorology probably. Not that any two of them agree. 🙂

  30. E O'Connor says:

    If you look at a Polyna as being a warm area surrounded by ice that’s how I imagined your hot spot! 🙂

    There are several large Antarctic polynas that open and close regularly. Their causes and cycles are still being studied. Unlike the little Arctic polynas you see and read about in thrillers like McLean’s ‘Ice Station Zebra’, the Anatarctic has quite a few regularly forming polynas. There is one on the Ross Ice shelf that can reach a peak of open water area of almost 50,000 km2 with a mean of 27,000 km2 during winter!

  31. Etruscan says:

    Orkneylad-

    Thanks for the links. Especially, I found the electromagnetic precursor to earthquakes interesting. It reminds me of a incident I read about here in the Pacific NW about a glow seen in the area of a fault line. Mainstream geologists are still befuddled about the seeming random nature of earthquakes, but with that mechanical stress there should be associated electric anomalies.

    Here’s my story about Nikola Tesla: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january122011/tesla-electromagnetism-jda.php

    It’s difficult to do him justice.