So that we can keep all people’s ideas in play while there are a couple of discussions continuing on papers concerning specific mechanisms by which planets have an effect on the Sun’s activity, here’s an open thread for the interchange and expression of ideas and concepts. As I find time today and this evening, I will try to summarise and explain each of the mechanisms considered plausible by the scientists and thinkers who have offered them for consideration.
Warning to Adolfo and Joe: If you reply contributions here, be aware that irrelevant or incomprehensible comment will hit the bit bucket. There is an open thread on E.U. running; make use of it for the expression of your bigger, wilder, and more wonderful ideas. 😉
Tallbloke's Talkshop 
http://milesmathis.com/bode.html
[reply] Yes, Adolfo, I pointed you to that page originally, remember? It’s interesting but not immediately relevant here. Feel free to add something to your own thread with it. I want to keep the blog tidier this year, and that means more on topic relevance amongst other things.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Tenuc <a href="https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/wolff-and-patrone-a-new-way-that-planets-can-affect-the-sun/#comment-3849 “> says :
I’m going to ponder possible alternative solar models as putting the cart before the horse doesn’t help progress.
This is model I made up for SC24 blog (with one or two extra explanations added ) before I got banned.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFC5.htm
Hi Vuk,
I was thinking about the way the earth does something similar with the way it cycles energy through the global electrical circuit. Lucy Skywalker posted something on WUWT earlier about a study in Isreal which was picking up a 27 day signal in lightning activity in Africa. Would you think it plausible that electrical energy from the sun is arriving at the poles, and being discharged from tropical thunderstorms back into space in the plane of the IMF?
Just considering mechanism for linking the planets and sun together apart from magnetotails brushing past the next planet out.
TB I will reflect on your question and suggestion.
Solar wind shadow (cast by Venus and Mars) is different to the exclusion of solar wind by planets magnetic field i.e. magnetosphere. I can’t remember of hand night-side size of the Earth’s magnetosphere. I am pretty certain only Jupiter’s is large enough (5AU, easy to remember) to reach Saturn’ orbit, two merging is a ?
Perhaps ask Dr.S.
I am aware of Israel paper (also in Africa, WUWT head a tread). I think lightning/ionosphere connection is only an equatorial event, see also Anthony’s map
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/fermitgf-noclock_light-08831.jpg?w=640&h=320
vukcevic says:
January 11, 2011 at 3:55 pm
“…This is model I made up for SC24 blog (with one or two extra explanations added)…”
Thanks Vuk, that’s got me thinking. Top of head, I wonder if the sun is the DC current generator and the spinning planets behave as electric motors and make other use of the current from the sun (which provide the circuit load)??? Could explain sudden changes to LOD and if the sun provided more load than being used perhaps a strong back EMF causes the solar generator to stall.
I’ll sleep on it, so good night for now.
The following are just musings, which I decided are best
short and sweet:
In an electric sun model there are positive ions accelerating away from the sun in the form of solar wind, and electrons flowing toward the sun. This current powers the sun externally. Perhaps the planets, or more exactly the magnetospheres of the planets, in conjunctions, intercept sufficient electron drift to modulate solar activity.
tallbloke says:
January 11, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Just considering mechanism for linking the planets and sun together apart from magnetotails brushing past the next planet.
In Electrically Modified Newtonian Dynamics (EMOND)
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=q1q6sz2s
“magnetotails brushing past the next planet” provide an electrical mechanism for orbital adjustment and stabilization.
The planets move into a place of least electrical potential so that they do not interact. In this system, the most recently added body in the system would have the most effect on its surroundings and its primary star, I think, rather than the planets with the greatest gravitational pull.
So is it possible then that Mercury and Venus and Earth, though small rocky bodies, would have a surprising influence on the sun, electrically? Has anyone compared Mercury’s eccentric orbit with solar activity?
Open thread. It says “Open Thread” 😀
Zeke, on topic speculation is fine on this thread. I was maybe a bit harsh on Adolfo’s first reply. Mercury doesn’t correlate well with solar activity in terms of its orbital parameters. However, NASA scientist Ching Cheh Hung found that solar flares preferentially zap towards the inner planets. Contributor ‘Semi’ is currently using the latest data from probes like SDO to see if sunspot location is related to planetary motion. It’s an exciting time in planetary-solar research.
Zeke the Sneak says:
January 12, 2011 at 3:59 am
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I think the EU is totally an unrealistic proposition. Planets and many satellites orbit in near equatorial plane, Ulysses space probe made number of polar orbits, no trace of such power has been found, and it has to be huge. Magnetic flux ropes are puny in comparison with what would be required to power the sun, and yet they are easily observed.
Zeke the Sneak says:
January 12, 2011 at 4:27 am
tallbloke says:
January 11, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Just considering mechanism for linking the planets and sun together apart from magnetotails brushing past the next planet.
Venus has tiny induced magnetosphere. The magnetotail continues up to ten radiuses from the planet. It is the most active part of the Venusian magnetosphere. There are reconnection events and particle acceleration in the tail. The energies of electrons and ions in the magnetotail are around 100 ev and 1000 ev respectively.[26]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus
In no way is anywhere long enough to brush against the Earth. Power of up to 1KeV is miniscule.
(solar wind 2-5MeV)
Mars: Because of the planet’s lack of a magnetosphere, the Sun is thought to have thinned the Martian atmosphere to its current state; the solar wind adding a significant amount of energy to the atmosphere’s top layers which enables the atmospheric particles to reach escape velocity and leave Mars.
Came across this article that may have been missed over Xmas:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11988466
Voyager 1, the most distant spacecraft from Earth, has reached a new milestone in its quest to leave the Solar System.
Now 17.4bn km (10.8bn miles) from home, the veteran probe has detected a distinct change in the flow of particles that surround it.
These particles, which emanate from the Sun, are no longer travelling outwards but are moving sideways.
It means Voyager must be very close to making the jump to interstellar space – the space between the stars.
Hi Gray,
yes, there was a lot of comment on the WUWT article about this. Ask Vuk about garden hoses. 🙂
Vuk,
The E.U. people say that the reason large potential differences are not detected is because plasma surrounds bodies in space in a ‘sheath’. This was overcome by the Langmuir probe, but I don’t know how satellites go about detecting the electrostatic forces. In any case I prefer to work on more solveable problems I understand better, like angular momentum and those sorts of mechanical phenomena until firmer evidence emerges about interplanetary electromagnetics.
I agree the magnetospheres are not sufficient to connect the planets electrically, except Jupiter to Saturn once in 19 years possibly. The thunderstorms thing is interesting though. I wonder if the total wattage of energy is calculable?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091111142518.htm
Vuk, thanks, you remind me to clarify something. I find tallbloke’s work (all of you) researching the possible effects of the planets on solar activity to be riveting, and the case well made. However, I should emphasise the Electric Universe publications, to the best of my knowledge, say nothing about the subject.
I made two guesses of my own–one involving the gas giants in alignment potentially intercepting enough of the sun’s external power supply to have some kind of modulating effect on the sun. This again is ONLY a personal question.
The flux tubes you mention, although they do exist, are not the power supply to the sun in EU theory. The entire heliopause, rather, marks the beginning of the journey of the electrons to the sun, which is an anode wrt to the heliopause.
Also, I may clarify that of course Venus’ magnetosphere does not reach earth.
What is referred to in Venus’ case instead is the plasmashpere, or its “ionosphere.” A charged body in a plasma forms a cell around areas of different voltage. I belive this property is behind Langmuir’s choice of the word “plasma,” because it resembles blood in its ability to isolate foreign objects.
This plasmashphere is noted to be very like a cometary tail, and does in fact reach earth’s magnetosphere:
VENUS’ TAIL REACHES ALL THE WAY TO EARTH. Recently the Venus shadow, cast by the Sun, passed across the SOHO satellite (in Earth orbit), allowing SOHO to detect the plume of ions kicked out of Venus’ upper atmosphere by the solar wind. (Geophysical Research Letters, Vol 24, p. 1163; New Scientist, 31 May.)
http://www.aip.org/pnu/1997/split/pnu325-4.htm
Zeke, thanks for that. Very interesting, whether or not there is sufficient power to do anything significant (the jury isn’t even convened yet), the mere fact that these particle density and type differentials are detectable at all says a lot about the transmissivity of space.
Yeah! (-:
Zeke the Sneak says:
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Two points:
– Flux tubes (ropes) do not power sun. If you click on the link
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFC5.htm
you will find more there. I think even in an absence of planets sun could be still magnetically active, but probably on more random bases. Stream of mass particles (protons) being ejected makes a loop around heliosphere. Impact with heliopause is ‘elastic’ no exchange of energy just change of direction. As protons in the ionosphere do, so will the returning protons eventually spiral down into the sun, guided by suns magnetic field.
This creates an electric current loop which could synchronise (otherwise possibly random) solar activity.
– I mentioned before solar wind shadow cast by Venus. Power of solar wind is far less than that of the sunlight, otherwise it could be used to propel space probes to the edge of heliosphere, problem is there are usually less than 10 protons/cm2/sec).
In conclusion, the solar power is so immense, only the internal fusion could be the power source. In addition total magnetic and electric power of the solar oscillations is so huge, there is nothing else within heliosphere except the sun itself that could provide it. Synchronising (or modulating) the output is the only possibility .
Since the oscillations are electro-magnetic, I think it is reasonable to look to an electro-magnetic signal to provide that synchronisation. Rudolf Wolf was correct by stating that Jupiter is main driver and Saturn will provide small changes in length and duration, in my formula Saturn only features trough the J/S 19.8 years synodic period.
Occasionally but not often J/E synodic period can be captured, SC17 is an excellent example. I wrote a short article 2 years ago, it needs revising and updating (now I think CMEs also are important) but in principle it is ok. http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/solarsubcycle.pdf
Vuk’s link:
“This model of solar activity is based on the possibility that the current of protons ejected by solar activity at low latitude after encounter with magnetospheres and the heliopause returns via high latitudes, modulating the Sun’s magnetic activity.”
Well I like that plenty, because you are looking for a current to generate (or just modulate?) the sun’s magnetic activity. We just disagree about the charge of the particles that generate the magnetic fields. The incoming current is provided by electrons! (-:
The protons, when they cross the heliopause, are accelerated to cosmic ray energies, because the heliopause is double layer and accelerate particles. So there are your Galactic Cosmic Rays.
Anyway, you will have to pardon me for using the word magnetosphere too generally in an above comment. It won’t happen again.
Hi Zeke,
Lets hope the sun is internally powered, because if it ain’t, and some star along the line blows a fuse, our light might go out. or go bright and dim. I don’t fancy a solar system brown-out much.
The heliosphere provides a nice bubble for us to live in. Don’t burst it! 🙂
I wonder if anyone working on the E.U. hypothesis has considered the possibility that the whopping big currents they think z pinched and formed strings of pearls in all directions from the Galactic centre might then have dissipated, leaving the energetic spinning globes to get on with it.
Useful summary from NASA:
Mercury has a magnetic field whose strength is about 1% that of the Earth’s, but it is strong enough that a bow shock forms where the field interacts with the solar wind.
Venus’ very weak magnetosphere is no more than 0.09% the strength of the Earth’s and no radiation belts surround the planet. There is a well-developed bow shock in Venus’ outer atmosphere, but there is no evidence of charged particles being trapped.
Mars. The global magnetic field of Mars is too weak (about 0.2% that of the Earth’s) and the atmosphere too thin to protect the planet’s surface from solar flares. In such a weak magnetic field, no radiation belts have formed. The solar wind apparently interacts with the planet’s conducting ionosphere, creating a weak bow shock.
Jupiter‘s magnetosphere is about 100 times larger and 20,000 times greater (volume) than that of the Earth’s. Extremely high-energy electrons have been found in an enormous disk-shaped region of its radiation belts. The density of Jupiter’s charged particles is several orders of magnitude greater than that of Earth’s.
Saturn‘s magnetosphere is populated with charged particles making it 500 to 1000 times stronger than the Earth’s. Because of this intense magnetosphere and the low solar wind pressures at 9.5 AUs from the sun, the bow shock is found 1.44 million km from the center of Saturn on its sun-ward side.
Uranus. There have been aurora-like emissions in Uranus’ upper atmosphere, leading us to think that this planet has a magnetosphere. Voyage 2 found that Uranus has a magnetic field that is about 0.1 that of Saturn and that it is larger than the sun. It appears to be comprised of plasma ad a large population of energetic particles.
Neptune. Voyager 2 found that Neptune’s magnetic field is tilted from the planet’s rotational axis and is offset from the center of the planet. This causes marked changes in the magnetic field as the planet rotates in the solar wind. Its field strength varies from 0.1 gauss in the northern hemisphere to more than 1.0 gauss in the southern hemisphere. Voyager 2 also detected auroras similar to those on Earth.
Thanks Vuk, great to get some solid numbers, and a consideration of the inflations and densities changing as the solar wind falls off with distance.
Fusion requires local pressure / densities high enough to collapse a hydrogen atom into a neutron that will fall inside of the electron shell of its’ partner. The smashing of small atoms together to make larger atoms is not the way stable atoms are made. The pressure / density of fusion is temperature dependent. The higher the temperature, the greater the pressures needed and the greater the local density of hydrogen needed. When the neutron changes size at the speed of light its’ electron shell changes in size 10 to the 6th , quite a bang, also this change of charge size causes a very large EMF spike.
Ferrous metals have a very high affinity for hydrogen and their packing hydrogen into their crystal structure will increase the local pressure / density and reduce the needed packing needed for fusion in a ferrous metal environment. Atomic energy is produced in the creation and decay of the neutron to hydrogen.
A standard model star is made up of mostly hydrogen that is compressed into a multilayer soup to the point the pressure /density is high enough to overcome the electron shell repulsion and induce fusion. This event layer is where the pressure / density is high enough to cause fusion. Fission takes place above under higher temperatures and lower pressure /densities. Hot atoms rise and carry energy with them and cool atoms sink, so while compression causes temperatures to rise, the rising heated material tends to carry energy up with it as it rises. If the atom drifts deeper it gains nuclei and gets heavier. If it drifts higher it is exposed to, less pressure, higher temperatures and greater fission sprayed neutrons that will cause it to fission spraying neutrons that revert to hydrogen.
One could imagine a fusion sea under a fission sky in a hydrogen rain under nearly solid 6,000k clouds. Great hurricanes of magnetic force fields tearing holes in the clouds. Might be a nice place to visit but I don’t think I want to live there. 8-(
PG, thanks, that relates to one of the possible mechanisms I want to discuss:
“My proposal, and the intended subject of this thread is that a previously ignored GR effect by planets on radiation and relativistic matter in the Sun’s core causes slight convection cells in the solar interior leading to a varying amount of heat reaching the surface and to the production of magnetic fields.
I will deal with the treatment of this GR effect mathematically in a following post, simply outlining the general flow of effects in this post.
When Einstein first worked out GR, one early prediction that was proven correct and helped lead to GR being accepted was that light from stars that passed very close to the Sun (and could be observed during a Solar eclipse) would be bent twice as much as predicted by the Newtonian theory. The fact that radiation is more strongly affected by gravity than ordinary matter at non-relativistic velocities is the basis of my proposal. I will show that actually over all random directions of motion of radiation in the solar core, the average effect is 5/3 times. For now, I will make the assumption that radiation in the solar core (as an ensemble of mass) is accelerated by 5/3 times as much as non-relativistic matter and that there is a similar effect on the relativistic component of matter in the Sun also. I think that there may be some controversy over this part of the proposal, but the rest follows in a manner that is much less likely to be debated. Even if you reject what I have just stated here, I ask you to consider the rest of the proposal. If you find that it does lead to interesting results then you might want to come back and see whether there is something in this part after all.
What would the consequence of such acceleration be? ”
-Ray Tomes-
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/72665-Explaining-Planetary-Alignments-Relationship-to-the-Sunspot-Cycle
tallbloke says:
January 13, 2011 at 8:41 am
What would the consequence of such acceleration be? ”
I will have to study the above and think about this. I believe that there is some kind of EMF componet that flows into the sun, probably a connection to gravity. I don’t buy all the EU stuff but I find some valuable observations there. pg
OK, I read Rays posting and comments at bautforum.com and at his final comment I had a vision of solar interior energy flows. The surface to space effects that he describes has not come to me yet. I will write up a comment and post it here later. Hope my computer doesn’t eat my home work this time. Damn “confuser” 6 hours of thinking and writing erased. Oh well, later. pg
PG. There are only two types of computer user. Those who have lost data; and those that are going to.
Back up your work frequently and email it to another account too so if the computer dies or your house burns down, its safe.
next piece so that you can see my logicical point of view.
Movement of energy within an environment takes several forms;
Heat energy is atomic vibration that makes the atom take up more space then its’ cooler neighbors and rattles them into higher vibration states. This causes the atom to cool down as it transfers its’ energy to them. Larger appearing warm atoms are lighter per space occupied the the cooler ones. While warm atoms rise, the warmth, the energy rises faster. This energy is transferred by “push – pull” of electron shells influencing each other. EMF effects can speed or slow these vibrations.
Charge energy, ( electric) is transferred from electron shell to shell through “contact” EMF (electro-motive-force) effects happen at this transfer. In electronics we sometimes talk of the movement of charge holes (positive) in the opposite direction of charge (negative) units (electrons). EMF effects can force charge movements. Charge must travel on the back of an atom.
Photonic energy, this is energy that jumps off the atom due to heat and charge that exceeds the level that the atom can contain in its’ environment. This carries the “heat” vibration and the “electric” charge information of the atom that it comes from. EMF can influence the discharge of “photons” from the atom. Photon energy can travel extraordinary distances.
Gravitational energy, this energy originates in the proton, is attractive to other protons (matter) and is quite weak compared to the charge energies. This energy is accumulative and has its’ greatest effects in large amounts of matter attraction over long distances. As in charge induced distortion or warpage of the center of the atom (nucleus) within its electron shell, gravity distorts or warps the atomic dielectric.
This warpage is the bases of the acceleration that gravity induces. The warped matter is attempting to center its dielectric. As the “being” of an object is the force fields of its’ electron shells and the center of mass is the nucleus the object is trying to center its’ self with its’ “center of gravity”. Therefor accelerates toward its’ attractor.
All energy has the same root cause and is manifest in different conditions. All energy follows the same laws of physics. We just see them from different points of view under different conditions of manifestation. pg
P.G. Sharrow says:
January 13, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Just right!. In the equation of power, that 1.414 factor, equal to √2, the Pythagorean hypotenuse, which is equal to the sum of the forces (Magnetic and Electric=Electromagnetic): Sin 45° and Cos 135°, at the same time the “phase angle” of AC=90°, reveals that this relation between the angles of this triangle of forces can describe all possible known manifestations of the EM field. Thus all constants are ratios.
A continuation of the above.
SOLAR ENERGY FLOW
The first thing we must grasp is that hydrogen is a metal and is a super conductor of energies at the pressures of the suns’ surface. The surface that we generally see is the boiling tops of granules in the sun’ “atmosphere”although ocean or atmosphere is a poor description of reality. Hydrogen has a change of characteristics at changes in temperature and density. So that there is a layering of behavior that thermal stirring does not effect much.
At the center we may have a solid heavy metal core that transitions from packed neutrons (neutron star)to ferrous metals(iron star). Ferrous metals have a great affinity for hydrogen and will pack it into its’ lattices to the point of braking up of the crystal lattice structure. This assist to the gravitational packing facilitates fusion in this transition zone. At some point hot atoms that are rising from the fusion zone will move into a fission zone where loss of packing pressures and increase of heating and the neutron storm of chain reaction will cause fission. This will result in a release of hydrogen as the loosen neutrons convert back to hydrogen. The EMF released by these neutron conversions is a fire storm of micro wave to x-ray emissions that super heat the regions above.
The level of fusion is likely very stable as the region can change very little due to outside influence. The solid core, the hydrogen packing and the high pressures preclude much variation in fusion levels.
The region of fission is much more variable as this is in the “ocean”zone that is under tidal effects from the entire solar system. The tidal effects would be mainly increase and decrease in heating energy percolated up as changes in local gravity would change the flow rate of the energy up. Magnetic fields would also effect the rate of atom movement and therefor heat flows.
A simmering to boiling pot over an internal self heated stove.
Have fun with desection of the above. 🙂 pg
Thanks PG this is really good analysis. I think the volatile ‘fission zone’ is also where the overturning of ‘cells’ envisaged in the Wolff and Patrone paper are going to be most effective in releasing extra energy on the side of the Sun facing the barycentre. The question is, at what depth is this occurring in terms of the solar radius?
Need to look at a seismic rendition of the suns’ layering. There should be quite a change in the layering signature. If I remember you have some. Heavy to light liquid. pg
Hi tallbloke
I’ve edited http://www.jupitersdance.com/thefinalwaltz/
and added some further work on the placement of the gas giants re the sunspot cycle. Also, taken out a lot of waffle and an error or two!! Seems to me that magnetic reconnection has wings…
The Vuckevic figures are useful thanks.
Gray, WOW!
Who would have thought the parker spiral alignment of Jupiter Saturn and Neptune would so nicely align with the heliocentric conjunction/opposition too!
And those historical epochs are when we get the biggest sunspot cycles in the entire series from 1749.
Top work fella! Can I put this up as a guest post in abridged form??
P.G. no, but I bet Dr Svalgaard could help us out on the helioseismology if we ask nice.
That’s an interesting avatar photo you have on Gravatar. Looks like a light aircraft wing you’re next to?
No, but close. It is a shell that has now been Fiberglassed. The basic construction is the same as a model plane. when the FRP is complete and smoothed I will metalize it. A 11 foot diameter disk about 3 feet tall. Under it is a real Tesla coil, a flat wound spiral coil of 14ga copper tested to 40,000 volts per turn, 120 turns total. plus other goodies. A high energy experiment to confuse mass / inertia. pg
Oooh, a what do you callit? skimmer? lifter?
I hope you’re not planning on sitting in it when it levitates!
Gray says:
January 14, 2011 at 12:40 pm
tallbloke says:
January 14, 2011 at 1:31 pm
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These two graphs go back couple of years.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/J-S-angle.htm
Top graph shows direct J-S angular displacement at the SSN minima.
Lower graph is the same angular displacement measured along the Parker’s spiral.
You can draw your own conclusions.
An experiment, I would be very surprised if it moved. I just hope for a measurable effect.
A man size unit would need to be at least 40 feet in diameter. As that is about the minimum for curvatures that will contain the electrical energies needed. First I need test results to adjust the science. While you can engineer anything with math, I guarantee that it won’t work. You need real test data. As Tesla demonstrated, if you are inside of the field and are part of it then you are safe. I emailed 3 pictures to you for a better look at the disk under construction. I hope it does not bog down your connection. pg
Vuk,
neat. Can you give us an inkling of the date ranges on those plots please?
P.G. I got the pictures and returned the email. Awesome! I’d like to do a feature on it when you have the time to sent me more construction details and links to relevant webpages etc.
@P.G. Sharrow says:
January 14, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Hope you don’t disappear like the navy vessel in the IIWW time 🙂
Hi Roger
X axis SSN (dates used as below), Y axis J-S angle.
Top graph – direct angle
If you follow Parkers spiral PS) it is always more than 180 degrees and less than 540 (180+360). If SS min is at J-S conjunction as for SC14 (Sep 1901) direct angle =0, than angle must be 0+360 =360. SC6 – direct angle =150, via PS = 360-150 = 210>180 so it is 210. SC11 (Feb 1867) J-S quadrature, direct angle =90, via PS 90+360 = 450, and so onAccording to lower graph next min should be around the next conjunction Nov 2020. .
Note: curvature of Parker spiral depends on solar wind velocity, faster SW lower the curvature.
6 -1810.58
7 -1823.17
8 -1833.83
9 -1843.83
10 -1856.17
11 -1867.17
12 -1878.75
13 -1889.50
14 -1901.75
15 -1913.17
16 -1923.42
17 -1933.75
18 -1944.17
19 -1954.25
20 -1964.83
21 -1976.25
22 -1986.25
23 -1996.42
24 -2009.04
25 -2020.91 ?
Thanks Vuk. Timo Niroma noticed that solar minimum usually occurred somewhere not too far from Jupiter Perihelion, so that might explain your calc for next min, which i think might be later than that. i think it’s a possibility we may see a ~13 year cycle.
I appreciate the curvature depends on solar windspeed. I adjusted for it in my plot of the JEV IMF alignments:
Timing of the last min was a bit ambiguous, I think next min may last 1-2 years (e.g. 1809-11, 22 months SSN=0)
Agree. I think there may be something to the L&P effect. If spots disappear when solar magnetism reaches a low threshold, that might explain the 50 year blank sun in the Maunder Minimum.
Thanks tallbloke and Vuckevic, I’m hoping to put a series of Jupiter, Mars positions together which strengthen the theory, bear with me.
And thanks for the support.
Gray,
Jupiter and Earth are the ones I’m after. Tell us how we can help with computation and analysis.
Support is here whenever you need it.
tallbloke says:
January 13, 2011 at 8:41 am
In reply to the “ 5/3 “ acceleration of relativistic energies. If my view point of mass / inertia effects in aether is correct, the greater then gravity acceleration of photons etc. would be due to the EMF component of gravity. Although any argument that includes aether will get you branded as a nut case, I think dark matter / energy might be accepted buzz words. Relativistic energies have almost no mass / inertia and can be diverted from their path, accelerated, by outside influence, easily. I find some of the EU observations of the electrical component of energies toward bodies compelling. But I like to look at this elephant from all directions. Warpage of the fabric of space, gravity wells, is a visual representation of this emf/gravity distortion. So I think you may have discovered another piece for your argument of connections of effects. We know the “elephant” is large but just weighing it, is way to simplistic.
To continue with the solar furnace; The fusion level might be better thought of as fuel creation and the fission layer as fuel burning. Emmm this may fit better with O. Manuals’ observations of fact. Gravity would have the greater effect on fusion or neutron creation and the fire storm of fission energies of neutron decay would have the greatest EMF effects and energy production above. I really think that the planetary feed back is signal modification of the output rather then a contributor to the energy output.
Now maybe I can go back to sleep as this woke we up a 3:00 am my time. 😦
good afternoon to you. Later man. pg
P.G. Sharrow says:
January 18, 2011 at 12:15 pm:
Yes, these theories are tenuous, to say the least, but there are scenarios within them that bear some relevance of truth to the eventuality.
Would it not be odd if Feynman had the last laugh and said that ‘the Higgs Boson is so large that we need a bigger collator to see it!’, and that the ‘local’ EM field itself determines the velocity of ‘c [in vacuo]’.
All power to the EM field.
Best regards, Ray dart.