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Solar energy emission varies on all timescales right out to the change into a red dwarf, or so that particular theory goes.
A great deal of argument is ongoing as it has been from the mists of time on whether the sun is constant although today the sacrifice of goats or virgin daughters is less literal.
Today the matter of the solar constant remains. Related is TSI yet what exactly is meant and is it all there is and relevant?
In my view there is much more because the total extent of energy rather than direct radiation energy coupling is poorly known. Even the intensely studied thermal radiation (including “light” and radio) is still poorly defined. Space between the sun and earth might seem empty on an intensely sunny day but there is a fog of visible, magnetic, ionising and even particles.
And what about the geometry? The sun is very likely of variable size and so seems is the earth: as complete systems. The visible solar disc has in addition an “atmosphere” which radiates; the earth has layers too and these intercept or couple given magnetics.
During the 11 year sunspot cycle TSI varies about 0.1%. The solar system as a straightforward radiative system is ratiometric(1). The earth, sitting at a precise distance between the hot end and the cold end of deep space will change temperature exactly pro-rota, by 0.1% except for time constants. The earth has massive thermal inertia and cannot change other than glacially slowly. There is some evidence that the ethereal atmosphere which has essentially no inertia will respond fast. Perhaps this is the explanation for tropical storm variation but the data is poor (only reliable data avoiding spatial bias is satellite era).
(1) ratiometric is a term from electronics, where a system is purely multiplicative and exactly proportional such as a divider chain, reference at one end and zero at the other. A point between the two is at a distance. A famous example is the Whetstone bridge. Critically this works regardless of the details, doesn’t care what exactly merely that it is a ratio by some means.
I am citing two papers.
First a sit-on-the-fence which concludes with these wise words
‘‘The question whether the Sun’s apparent diameter is liable to periodic changes has frequently occupied the attention of the astronomers.’’ This was written in the Royal Astronomical Society Council report of 1875.
From the analysis of the available results today, this question remains totally up to date.”
However, my reading leaves the impression: that depends on the viewpoint, the research purpose of whether it is astronomy or physics. We do not even know the structure of the sun, just deductions and guesses. This goes right through to the neutron star theory of Oliver Manuel and contentious ideas. I don’t know, some seem potty and others are perfectly plausible.
Past, present and future measurements of the solar diameter
Gerard Thuilliera, Sabatino Sofiab, Margit Haberreiterc. 2005 (not sure of the correct citation)

Figure 2
ftp://ftp.pmodwrc.ch/pub/margit/papers/ThuillierSabHab2005ASpR.pdf
Representative of the views that the solar diameter does change and it matters is
LONG-TERM VARIATIONS OF THE INTEGRAL RADIATION FLUX AND
POSSIBLE TEMPERATURE CHANGES IN THE SOLAR CORE
Kh. I. Abdusamatov, 2005
http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrometr/KPhCB21_6_328.pdf
Headline image: SIDC ssn is bandpass filtered and the envelope of that computed via hilbert transform. The data ends need to be taken as uncertain.
Seems to be no evidence of major recent significant changes in the size of the sun. Scientist are puzzled that despite the massive energy output and events such as flares and CME’s the size of the sun seems hardly to change…
http://www.space.com/8405-sun-unchanging-size-baffles-scientists.html
Perhaps the current solar model (it is not a theory) is wrong. It’s inability to predict future events must put even the basic concepts in doubt.
However, it is conjectured that our sun is a variable star, whose energy output will change over time. The degree of possible variability and periodicity is not known. Miles Mathis as an interesting spin on this here…
http://milesmathis.com/sunhole.html
Tenuc says:
However, it is conjectured that our sun is a variable star, whose energy output will change over time. The degree of possible variability and periodicity is not known. Miles Mathis as an interesting spin on this here… http://milesmathis.com/sunhole.html
Thanks for a lovely trip around the galaxy this morning 🙂
I guess that is why Leif is so keen on the solar constant…
But it will take more than bluster to exclude the charge field forever.
As an encore I really enjoyed How the Charge Field causes the Ice Ages by Miles Mathis http://milesmathis.com/ice.html
I wonder whether Oliver Manuel’s Neutron Repulsion ideas fit with Miles Mathis view of the sun… http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10640850/110120%20Neutron%20repulsion.pdf
Solar energy emission varies on all timescales right out to the change into a red dwarf, or so that particular theory goes.
It would be a bit more disturbing, if the EU guys are correct, and the Sun is a cathode in the galaxy current, a sudden change of cathode… 🙂
http://www.holoscience.com/views/view_other.htm
@Tenuc: Khabibulo Abdusamatov paper: http://www.giurfa.com/abdusamatov2.pdf
Adolfo, do we get cathodic protectionism? 🙂
That’s a very interesting green curve Tim. How was is generated?
I wanted to mimic the figure in the paper, which I suspect is wishful pen work but feasible.
Computing an envelope requires a bipolar wavy thing, it computes the power. For a constant wave and everything being perfect the answer is a horizontal straight line.
The green line is the result of bandpass filtering ssn. Roughly 5 to 17 year pass which should contain most of the major solar cycle amplitude variation. Fast stuff poses some problems and slow is necessary to fudge a bipolar signal.
Tenuc says:
However, it is conjectured that our sun is a variable star, whose energy output will change over time. The degree of possible variability and periodicity is not known. Miles Mathis as an interesting spin on this here…
http://milesmathis.com/sunhole.html
Thanks for a lovely trip around the galaxy this morning 🙂
I guess that is why Leif is so keen on the solar constant…
But it will take more than bluster to exclude the charge field forever….
As an encore I enjoyed How the Charge Field causes the Ice Ages by Miles Mathis
http://milesmathis.com/ice.html
It would be interesting to know whether Oliver Manuel’s Neutron Repulsion ideas fit with Miles Mathis…
Click to access 110120%20Neutron%20repulsion.pdf
PS: The new WordPress comment box is really CRAP…
PPS: It looks like WordPress has duplicated my orignal comment somewhere in hyperspace…
Oddity has happened.
Been searching for some highly specialist stuff and came across a plot which is a clone of something I came across locally to do with solar data. Crash stop. Huh?
I ought to have recognised the wave shape, Duffing.
Not sure if this is exciting: signs of the sunspot data containing a Duffing: two state chaotic oscillation characteristic.
In this massively cited paper, page 49.
http://www.keck.ucsf.edu/compjc/pre2004/Huang_etal98.pdf
Aside to that. Confirmation bias… paper reminds me why I don’t like waveletts.
Trouble is I can’t remember how I tortured the data before that stuff appeared but I think it was something just a little strange.
Tim, do you mean page 949? All that stuff is beyond my understanding, but it doesn’t surprise me that nonlinear effects come out of the interaction of a two state chaotic oscillation.
But what might the physical underpinning of the two states be?
Perhaps driven by E/M perturbation in the IMF caused by inner planets and A/M perturbation in the solar body caused by outer planets?
Ah yes, I was looking at PDF page. Book/proceedings page 951.
In contrast to that a completely stable oscillator will produce a perfect circle (or other shape, rectangular wave would produce a square)
The kind of chaotic oscillator shown has two “characteristic” different part stable frequencies, where it is keen to jump to the other. These can be called modes, or modal.
Discovered I had worked out the math for the instantaneous period but had not coded it as automatically part of the filter software. Simple stuff.
This is first art and similar to the head plot here. Added is instantaneous period, rather obviously pretty close to correct, not fudged, this is calculated from ssn data.
There is a large peak just before 1800 where we don’t clearly know what was going on. I’ve hacked the top off since it is not useful and error. Height will depend on various settings (about 40 in this case) With this kind of analysis there are calls to be made and limitations accepted or worked around.
If you turned the blue curve the other way up, the valleys would match cold spells at 1800-1825 1900 and 1970 quite well. 🙂
What is the ’40’ value you referred to?
I’m seeing peaks in the blue inst period at ~100 years – is this one half of de Vries cycle (~210y) ?
Interesting paper available free, ‘LONG-TERM VARIATIONS OF THE INTEGRAL RADIATION FLUX AND POSSIBLE TEMPERATURE CHANGES IN THE SOLAR CORE – 2005’, by Kh. I. Abdusamatov…
“… We expect that the next relatively deep minimum of the solar activity, radius, and radiation flux in the 200-year quasi-cycle will be close to the Maunder minimum level and will occur in the year 2040 ±10…”
Full paper here…
Click to access SolarCore.pdf
If your blue line continues to rise (ignoring data end-points), looks like you could be in rough agreement with Abdusamatov perhaps?