Ray Tomes: Carbon 14 and reconstructing solar activity over the last 11000 years

Posted: July 5, 2011 by tallbloke in climate, solar system dynamics

This is another guest post from Ray Tomes, head of the Cycles Research Institute. This site is a great resource for those of us interested in cyclic phenomena.

Cycles in Sunspot Number Reconstruction for 11,000 Years

This analysis is based on a Sunspot number reconstruction from Radiocarbon C14 in Tree Rings by Solanki, S.K., et al. 2005, and the data was obtained from NOAA. C14 is generally accepted as being a proxy for solar activity, possibly because of affects in cosmic rays. It will be seen that there are similar cycles in C14 to what are found in climate reconstructions.



The data extends over the period 9455 BCE to 1895 CE at decade spacing. Therefore it is not suitable for studying the 11 and 22 year cycles but is suitable for studying cycles longer than 30 years. This is a spectrum of the time series.

Because of the long period of data, it is possible to determine the cycles periods found with high precision, except for the longer cycles. Noticeable in the spectrum are a cluster of peaks around 55 to 60 years, one near 88 years, two near 200 years, one near 350 years, two near 500 years, one near 2300 years and one at over 6000 years. Taking these in turn we can compare them to known cycles.

Firstly, the 55 to 60 year cluster of cycles may be understood as a cycle in that range which is not strictly rhythmic. The last several centuries of climate data show a strong variation with a period in this range with temperature maxima around 1940 and 1998 and minima near 1910 and 1970.

A period of 208 years or thereabouts has been reported in climate and solar activity and is called the de Vries (or sometimes Suess) cycle. In this C14 series we see a strong 208 year period along with a stronger 224 year period. these two together will therefore form beats over a long cycle.

A period of 355 years was reported by Chizhevsky in climate and here we have a 352 year period in C14 which would seem to be related. Likewise, Wheeler reported a cycle of 510 years in climate and we find 520 and 560 years in C14.

A 2245 year cycle in C14 is quite close to the reported 2300 year cycle in climate called the Hallstatt cycle. This cycle has been suggested to be related to a 2300 year in alignments of the outer planets by Lamb and others.

The time series is not long enough to say that it is real, but there is a definite sign of a 6600 year cycle. Again, this is close to a 6000 year cycle reported by Xapsos & Burke in solar variation.

To gain some perspective of where we are in the longer cycles, here is a fit of a 6600 year cycle and a 2245 year cycle. On these long time frames, the cycle are still increasing.

The 208 year period or thereabout is reported much more often than a 224 year period. Two such periods together would be expected to produce beats, so it is worth looking at the time series filtered by a 210 years cycle smoothed over 3 successive cycles.

It is possible to look at this cycle and see a modulation that might be the 2300 year cycle. If the 2300 year cycle is indeed connected to a cycle of alignments of the 4 gas giant planets, then there needs to be some explanation of why there should be a 208 year cycle because the shorter gas giant cycle should average 171 years with a possible 179 year component. There is a cycle of that period of 171.0 years but its amplitude is not very high.

The cycles near 60 years have also been associated with gas giant alignments, specifically Jupiter and Saturn. These have conjunctions every 19.86 years which repeat in the same part of the sky very close to every third cycle or every 59.6 years, although the long term average would be 61 years.

Comments
  1. Doug Proctor says:

    The interest in looking at non-conventional, non-politically-correct influences on the Earth’s climate is having an incredible impact on understanding other, astronomical processes and activities. The impact of “citizen-scientists” in this internet-age also cannot be dismissed.

    We are truly being led by blogs such as this into a new way of determining truth (in a pragmatic, William James sense). Of course the establishment is annoyed, as well as somewhat worried. Truth in science became the preserve of institutions, egos, status, wealth and power over the last 150 years. The Greek philosophers up and to Darwin would be astounded at how the business of curious inquiry has been lassoed, coralled and broken to the saddle since their days.

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  2. Roger Andrews says:

    As I just noted on the “further evidence” thread, the data for a TSI reconstruction based on 10Be that goes back 9300 years are available at ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/solar_variability/steinhilber2009tsi.txt

    It would be interesting to see how a cycles analysis of this reconstruction compares with the 14C results.

  3. tchannon says:

    The same dataset treated differently, won’t explain all now, windowed spectra.

    Ray’s article so I won’t say more now.

  4. Roger Andrews says:

    Tim

    Sorry, message not understood.

  5. Tenuc says:

    Thanks for reminding me of this graph you produced…

    I think it reinforces the importance of the 200y(ish) cycle as noted by Ray, and also the (sometimes) out of phase 400y(ish) cycle.

    Unfortunately it looks like we’re currently heading for a serious dip in both…

    200y(ish) solar de Vries quasi-cycle…

    1410-1500 cold – Low Solar Activity (LSA?) – (Sporer minimum)
    1510-1600 warm – High Solar Activity (HSA?)
    1610-1700 cold – (LSA) (Maunder minimum)
    1710-1800 warm – (HSA)
    1810-1900 cold – (LSA) (Dalton minimum)
    1910-2000 warm – (HSA)
    2010-2100 (cold???) – (LSA???)

    I hate the cold, give me global warming any day!!!

  6. tchannon says:

    Windowed spectra of the same dataset, ignore the rest of what I wrote.

  7. tchannon says:

    There are some really weird things in the data.

    Some of it has the smell of strange orbital stuff, or at least what I take to be that. Clear cyclicity, cannot be random but are not steady in a strange way, go through resonances and phase strangeness. The 1ky goes through such a patch around 0AD which might explain so other dataset oddities. (not the only feature like that)
    There is a dataset of tree rings where I noticed there is exacted one tree around 0BC, apparently a difficult time. Just how good is the dataset here?

    Another curiosity is the sharp 88 year line. This is close to the second harmonic of the Saros cycle, I’d have put it down to just odd if it were not for a deep null at Saros, absence can speak. Even harmonics are about asymmetry where the sun is so. The period is not exact although I do not trust the 14C to be accurate. How could a doubling happen?

  8. Roger Andrews says:

    Tim:

    Would the 10Be reconstruction be more reliable than the 14C one? I know some people (notably Vuk) don’t like 10Be, but at least it doesn’t use tree rings.

  9. Tim Channon says:

    I wish I knew.

    Both have serious problems.

    [see new post on a compare of relatively recent data]

  10. The driest desert on the planet UNDER SNOW (btw:don´t forget snow=water). Weren´t we in a GLOBAL WARMING ERA according to the IPCC?:
    http://www.casttv.com/video/3c215bp/north-chile-shivers-under-snow-video
    A few months ago, during SH summer, the famous AG visited south america to “lecture” on GW and the disappearence of glaciers on the Andes and its most terrible consequences: The lack of drinking water and the danger of drought in the amazon basin.

  11. Geoff Sharp says:

    Ray, what if there was a 172 year cycle that came with a possible 3 components. Each component is variable, sometimes strong other times non existent. The components are one in the centre with the other two 40 years each side. This variability would account for Fourier type analysis producing 200 year odd outcomes while the 172 driver would be buried in the data?

  12. tallbloke says:

    Ray, don’t the downspikes in the spectrum curve tell us as much as the peaks? What are the numbers for the downturns near 180 years and 100 years?

  13. Ray Tomes says:

    Tallbloke, no, the downward spikes in the spectrum (amplified because it is a log scale) are not meaningful, other than there is no cyclicity at that period.

  14. tallbloke says:

    Hi Ray,
    Yet there is cyclicity at near double the ~175 year period and at around half that period. Is it the variation in the Hose cycle which is killing the ~175-180 year periodicity do you think?

  15. Ray Tomes says:

    There is a small peak at 171 years (U-N synodic). I don’t think that there can be said to be a cause for a lack of periodicity.

    Perhaps this is the sort of answer that you seek?? … With cycles involving more than 2 planets, there is *never* an even sine wave cycle (even ignoring eccentricities). There are always little hops to get back in step like the 179 and 159 cycles we discussed. For the main sunspot cycle taken as J-V-E you get 10.4 and 12.0 year steps in proportion 4:3 making average 11.1 years. If you have enough data this will show as multiple peaks around a general rise in the spectrum. Sort of like the 200-230 year area and the 55-60 year area of the spectrum above. This type of thing occurs in *all* occurrences of cycles. When you look at chemical spectra and magnify the apparently sharp lines, they always have more detail – and again when magnified (called fine- and hyper-fine structure). There are no constant cycles anywhere.

  16. tallbloke says:

    Hi Ray, thanks, that has helped me along quite a bit in understanding how to interpret spectra. My goal is understanding the period lengths of and between the solar grand minima in terms of possible planetary relationships. Problem is, the proxies used to reconstruct solar activity and the subjective interpretation of historical records of cold periods etc make it difficult to develop any precision enabling particular planetary cycles to be ‘fingered’ for causation.