Sir Brian Hoskins: Integrative Assessment Modelling – The Economics issue and the Green Deal

Posted: September 26, 2012 by tallbloke in Analysis, Carbon cycle, Energy, government, Politics

The new ‘Green Deal’ logo

My thanks to Ian Laidlaw for drawing my attention to a short ten minute segment on BBC radio 4 which discusses ‘Integrated Assessment Models’. These bring together climate models with social science models such as economic models in order to assist policy makers in decision making. They are designed to enable the effects of decisions to be fed into the model, which then calculate what the feedback to the climate system will be as a result. The model can then provide an outcome which can be compared with the effect of taking a different policy option.

Involved in the discussion, notably, was Sir Brian Hoskins, a very eminent Phd Mathematician with long experience in the field of meteorology and climate modelling. Head of the Grantham Institute at Imperial College London for a number of years, he also holds an honorary doctor of science degree from Bristol University. His original PhD thesis was centred around a mathematical description of the formation of warm and cold fronts.

The host of the ‘Material World’ programme didn’t attempt to engage Sir Brian on climate change theory or the physical science, but did point out that  if you put two economists together in a room you’ll get three different economic theories out of it. Sir Brian agreed that this was an important issue and that so far as he is aware, economists don’t test their models against reality in the same way climate scientists do.

What then is the purpose of Integrated Assessment Models? And why would politicians use our money to pay for their development?

Personally, I think one element in their thinking is that it provides them a convenient place to shift blame for failure to a tier of boffins who won’t be held publicly accountable if/when the policy direction fails to take the country in a beneficial direction. However, the current exigencies concerning the matter of dealing with the fairly immediate future of our energy generation system have caused a rift to open up between the government’s newly reshuffled energy ministry and the government’s Climate Change Committee, of which sir Brian is a member.

The newly announced enthusiasm for a dash for shale gas, and the lowered price of carbon credits making coal fired generation look profitable again is in head on conflict with the previous administration’s passing of the climate change act, which put in place legally binding targets for the reduction of CO2 emissions. How to square the vicious circle?

One response to the dilemma the govt now faces is to announce a new ‘Green Deal’, whereby householders will be able to apply to have solar panels fitted, insulation installed, inefficient gas boilers replaced and windows upgraded, at no cost to themselves. The way it will work is that the government will pay the providers, and the cost will be added as a charge on the property at the land registry office, to be paid back directly through smart meters as the household saves money on its energy costs.

In effect then, the proposal is to re-mortgage the country’s housing stock against the future benefit of reducing energy consumption, the financial element being taken care of by carbon taxes to cover the ‘feed in tariffs’ earned by the householders to cover the costs of installation.

“But how will the government find the money to pay the suppliers immediately?” I hear you asking.

Simple; They will print lots of new money.

“But”, I hear you cry, ” that will cause hyper-inflation won’t it?”

Not necessarily. The money will be tied up in the housing stock, so although the suppliers will be awash with cash, and this will have a ‘trickle down effect’ into the economy, the main effect will be to create employment as the suppliers gear up to meet demand. This should, if the economists have done their sums right, save a lot of money currently being paid in unemployment benefit, housing benefit and etc, and thus reflate the economy from its current depression to a stable level. Win win.

Or so goes the theory. The history of major interventions in the economic system is littered with unintended consequences. The big questions here will revolve around how much of the hardware is imported and how well the country fares on the international stage in terms of big market player reaction to this strategy.  One consequence if energy demand is reduced through the efficiency savings will be to put the European carbon market under pressure, because if less energy is needed, less carbon creds are needed. Selling carbon creds while propping up their price with taxpayers money has been a nice hidden carbon tax earner for the European governments, but how long can it continue now the word is out and the European public are starting mass protests against austerity measures?

How well can the governments balance on the tightrope?  Considering the legislative green straightjacket the UK government has tied itself into, you have to wonder how deftly they will be able to manipulate the balancing pole of free enterprise. The tightrope is stretched between the rock of economic depression on one side, and the hard place of civil unrest over inflation on the other.

I wonder if the integrative modelers have been assessing the consequences of landing on one of these unattractive surfaces, or whether we are currently heading into a ‘shut your eyes, keep calm and carry on’ phase of economic and social instability. Given the uncertainties of the physical science based climate models, adding a layer of economic guesswork is unlikely to provide the crystal ball gazers with anything that will help them. The problem is only exacerbated if they believe it does.

Which brings me back to Sir Brian Hoskins. Going by his comment on radio 4, he doesn’t have a lot of confidence in economic modelling. I wonder how well his confidence level in climate models is faring these days. He is allegedly an expert weather forecaster in his own right. I think I might try to find out what he thinks the weather is going to do this winter, since the MET Office don’t give the public seasonal forecasts based on the models Sir Brian helped develop any more.

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Comments
  1. caz says:

    It’s material World (not matters) tallbloke. One of my favourite programmes. Quentin Cooper is an excellent presenter but strongly follows the BBC diktat that the Science on man made global warming is settled. From what is usually a good science proramme I thought this interview was unusually political.

    This by the way is a crazy scheme but I can imagine solicitors up and down the land will be rubbing their hands glee at the thought of property conveyancing becoming ever more expensive and complicated.

  2. Joe's World(progressive evolution) says:

    TB,

    One areas that would suck much capital away would be the banks that will be infused with new cash and charge more interest to all involved.
    Cannot get money without a bank.

  3. tallbloke says:

    Thanks Caz, fixed the programme title.
    The idea with the Green Deal is that the ‘loan’ is to the house, not the occupant. So there should be no conveyancing issues. It’s a selling point, because the govt. guarantees that the repayments will never exceed the income from the solar panels. So housebuyers should be keen, because they get some free energy and a few quid in their account every year, with no risk.

  4. AJB says:

    There is a very simple way to put the brakes on this pair of ABS [applied bullshit] merchants and others like them. Repeal the ludicrous Climate Change Act. Either they get off the tightrope now or it’ll eventually go twang under increasing economic strain and cut the legs off them anyway. One way has a massive backlash, the other doesn’t. A few green fanatics jumping up and down is neither here nor there, most of them could do with some exercise anyway.

  5. Roger, there may well be no conveyancing issues but it is inconceivable that it will be free, although the costs will likely be hidden as part of the package. Land Registry will surely see it as an income stream.

    Don’t the economics of the scheme rely heavily on subsidies and assumed future energy costs?

  6. tallbloke says:

    Hi Jonathan, I’ll find out on Monday. I’ll be taking a close look at the smallprint when I get to see a contract rather than a cartoon. Land registry get a small fee for administrating the records, but it’s not much. Less than £10 per property I think.

    It’s an interesting development. Luckily, I have an unobstructed south facing roof. I like the idea of having some silent generating capacity on site. Last time I looked into the economics, it didn’t work for me, but this might be an OK deal.

  7. Zeke says:

    “…to announce a new ‘Green Deal’, whereby householders will be able to apply to have solar panels fitted, insulation installed, inefficient gas boilers replaced and windows upgraded, at no cost to themselves.”

    Windows, now where have I seen economics based on replacing windows before? Never mind.

    There’s a much quicker way to go about this. The citizens of the UK must all go out this very evening, and break all the windows they can see. The next day, the windows will have to be replaced. This will result in enormous economic activity, job creation, and trickle down benefits of every sort. Plus people will have all new windows.

    The same applies to the inefficient gas boilers. Destroy them all yourselves, and simply replace them, and watch the benefits to society accrue exponentially.

    Also, by simply eliminating coal power, the government can create the need for the solar panels and the Styron Smartmeters, which are indeed ready to fulfill a worldwide market and employ thousands of people who can set them on your home. The meters you already have will then be replaced, thousands will make financial transactions…and you will have a replaced meter.

  8. caz says:

    Tallbloke thanks for correcting me on conveyancing and I have now taken the trouble to read the Green Deal link that you provided, which I should have done before commenting on the Interview.

    But as a result I am even more wary of this cunning green plan devised by the government and look forward to what you find out on Monday.

    On the face of it. Why should I buy your house with alll its on going legacy energy costs for work that you installed when I could buy your neigbour’s house with no extra energy costs? And what if I decide not to buy externaly supplied electricity?

    Photovoltaic panels although not new science are new on the top of houses and no one knows how long they will be efficiently productive. Why would I want to buy the first adopter millstone that may only last a few years more?

    Roof slates/tiles often need replacing and it is an easy job requiring just the use of a ladder but errecting scaffolding and removing a PV panel first to get at the loose slate would be bloody expensive.

    I’ve long been an energy self sufficient advocate, years before the green movement came about and practical experience has been wood burning and water heating as the most efficient use of solar energy. Anything else for me is government tinkering.

    Buyer Beware.

  9. Gamecock says:

    “These bring together climate models with social science models such as economic models in order to assist policy makers in decision making.”

    Strong, autocratic central control is assumed. The models just help the Gauleiters make better decisions.

  10. tallbloke says:

    caz says:
    September 26, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    On the face of it. Why should I buy your house with alll its on going legacy energy costs for work that you installed when I could buy your neigbour’s house with no extra energy costs? And what if I decide not to buy externaly supplied electricity?

    There are no costs to a subsequent purchaser, only a profit. This is because the loan is over the 25 year life of the panels, and the repayments are guaranteed to be less than the profit from the feed in tariff.

    Photovoltaic panels although not new science are new on the top of houses and no one knows how long they will be efficiently productive. Why would I want to buy the first adopter millstone that may only last a few years more?

    The panels come with a guarantee that they will still be working at 80% of their new capacity at the end of their life.

    Roof slates/tiles often need replacing and it is an easy job requiring just the use of a ladder but errecting scaffolding and removing a PV panel first to get at the loose slate would be bloody expensive.

    True. My roof was replaced shortly before I bought the house 10 years ago (originally built ~1880), so the fixing should be good for 40 years more. The tiles are mock stone and pretty heavy so less prone to lifting in wind.

    I’ve long been an energy self sufficient advocate, years before the green movement came about and practical experience has been wood burning and water heating as the most efficient use of solar energy. Anything else for me is government tinkering.

    I have a big Morso wood burner with back boiler in the living room and a solar hot water panel on the shed roof for winter/summer water heating. I’m also self sufficient for water, (rainwater collection/filtering), and grow my own vegetables. I’m aiming to be grid independent by 2015. Once the panels are in place The household electrical system could be isolated and lorry batteries used to invert power from in the event of a power cut on the grid.

    Buyer Beware.

    Indeed, caveat emptor.

  11. Michael Hart says:

    Heat pumps always give me some cause for optimism: It is quite difficult to break a hole in the ground, so that part might well be worth a long-term investment.

    FYI
    I read a post at WUWT by a guy who installed one on his parents house. Here’s his post, including some numbers:
    http://mwt1974.tumblr.com/post/22823210239/how-we-slashed-household-heating-hot-water-energy-use

  12. caz says:

    Wow that is what you call a detailed report thanks for the link Michael.

    My immediate thoughts were, as soon as he realised that he needed bore holes for his heat pump source and all the associated capital costs that involved he should have stopped at that point. I get the impression that it was a project he really enjoyed carrying out but with nearly £30,000 capital costs and a saving of a few hundred a year in energy costs it can only be that, a pet project to cut carbon emissions.

    There is room for a solar hot water panel on his garage roof and space on the main roof too.

    I notice that the house already had blown air heating so that may have drove him to carry on with the heat pump route.

    A log burner, chainsaw and hydraulic log splitter for me is a very much cheaper option (virtually free) plus all the character of a real fire as opposed to dry warm air circulating in a sealed home. I do live in the sticks though and cut my wood for free, but I have several town dwelling friends who seem to have no problem sourcing used wood from skips, building sites etc.

  13. tallbloke says:

    Yep, I favour the van and chainsaw option. You can cook on top of a woodstove too.

  14. I’m surprised that the vital and speedy contribution of Sir Brian Hoskins to British Due Diligence – Royal Society Style, in the wake of the selection of eleven CRU papers for Lord Oxburgh’s Inquiry into Climategate in March 2010, has been overlooked here:

    Two days later (March 12), after Oxburgh had already sent out the list of publications to Emanuel, [Trevor] Davies sent an email to [Lord] Rees and Brian Hoskins at 11:07 a.m. saying that Oxburgh would like to say that the list (already sent out) had been chosen in “consultation with the Royal Society”. The email shows clearly that Davies is well aware that they will be severely criticized for the list and that they want to keep it secret. (In fact, they did keep it secret. The language of the press release was worded very evasively and no one guessed what they planned to do until after the “report” was a fait accompli.

    Seven minutes later, Rees reverted saying that he had no personal knowledge of the literature, but he had “no problem” saying that the list had been “drawn up in consultation” with the Royal Society – even though it had already been sent out – if Brian Hoskins was “happy” with the list

    Thirteen minutes later and only twenty minutes after the first email, Hoskins said that he was not “aware” of all the papers that might be included, but he did “think” that they covered the “issues of concern”. (Hoskins was subsequently asked whether he regarded himself as an “expert” in the literature and said that he didn’t.)

    Davies then thanked Rees and Hoskins for their comments

    Safe pair of hands.

  15. tallbloke says:

    Heh. It’s been overlooked here because I wasn’t aware of it. Good catch Jonathan.
    The natural British CYA position was assumed by all ranking members of ‘the establishment’.
    It takes something far more shattering than a breach of science ethics to get them to wake up.

  16. You’ve also overlooked my first name! With all respect to J 🙂

    [reply] Whoops, one too many Friday beers. Apologies, Richard.

  17. bwdave says:

    With the Green Deal, the owner will have cost savings as long as the system continues to work, and the politicians and bureaucrats will have the vendor accreditations and approvals to practice cronyism with. Gee, what’s not to like?

    If the green asset quits performing, they don’t say the owner gets to quit paying. But even assuming no maintenance will ever be required and no degradation will occur, it appears the payback period will still be many decades. Can this ever be sustainable?