Posted: September 28, 2012 by tallbloke in solar system dynamics

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

 

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Just in case we get a cold winter this year, the Guardian thought it advisable to warn us that this would no doubt be because of global warming.

The record loss of Arcticsea ice this summer may mean a cold winter for the UK and northern Europe. The region has been prone to bad winters after summers with very low sea ice, such as 2011 and 2007, said Jennifer Francis, a researcher at Rutgers University

Well yes, Jennifer. It has also been prone to mild winters recently. It was also prone to cold winters when the Arctic had more summer ice, and also mild winters in other years at the time. It is actually called “weather”.

Jennifer helpfully explains

"The jet stream is clearly weaker," said Francis. That means weather systems, be it rain or dry conditions, are slow to move on…

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Comments
  1. Joe's World(progressive evolution) says:
    September 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    TB,

    When you have more water, you get more evaporation. But…the Arctic will be frozen and precipitation generally moves up from the southwest.
    Simple Logic which much of science seems to lack.

    It is the fine details of researching that shows errors in theories and current consensus. Details defying logic that seems okay generalized but fail when looked closely. On the planet surface, the parameters are very different to what the atmosphere is doing.

  2. adolfogiurfa says:
    September 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Hope our friend Vukcevic may visit us and clarify this for us.

  3. Brian H says:
    October 3, 2012 at 9:36 am

    CO2: does nothing, so can be blamed for everything.

    BTW, Paul, it’s “Guardian Has …” Unless it’s a plural paper.

  4. wayne says:
    October 3, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Here’s a re-post from Anthony’s site. I find this relationship rather telling about “all of the melting arctic sea meaning colder, snowier winter”, due to evaporation. Seems the time per area of open ocean up north really went down a bit for this year.

    Tallbloke, maybe you can expand a bit on this factor.

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    wayne says:
    October 2, 2012 at 7:08 am
    Since this is probably the last “sea ice” post for quite a while I thought I better inject this here and now.

    Here is an interesting relationship that appeared while thinking of how much excess evaporation might have occurred due to the decrease in extent over 2011. Turns out there were actually less area-days exposed this year than last year as you can see in the graph. That does make perfect sense since the extent during the half of the year from Sept.16,2011 – Sept. 15, 2012 was rather extra high, nearly normal.

    This chart can also be viewed as how much of the Arctic Ocean was exposed for additional absorption of radiation (less albedo). Seems 2011 was the highest year though 2011 and 2012 are very close to the same value.