Battersby: Pissing Against the Wind

Posted: July 12, 2013 by tallbloke in alarmism, Analysis, climate, Energy, flames, government, humour, Incompetence, Robber Barons, Shale gas, solar system dynamics, wind

Guest post from Battersby:
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The notion of accepting ‘The Facts’ about wind power from the wind power industry is about as sensible as accepting from the only bloke that was there that those rough-hewn tablets of stone were indeed commandments passed down from Doug. As he hastily hid his chisels, I imagine Moses also buried what was left of his integrity. Here was his big chance of passing into history. We must assume the Chris Huhnes, Tim Yeos and all the others who will profit from government profligacy with our money have similarly convinced themselves it isn’t just a dream. Otherwise they’d just be liars.And so the wind power swindle rumbles on as plans for the world’s biggest offshore wind farm have been approved. Triton Knoll, a £3.6bn project will cause 288 giant wind turbines to be erected off the coast near Skegness. ‘The Facts’ from the consortium responsible –  Line Our Pockets With Gold Incorporated – are that this will generate 1.2 gigawatts of electricity, and supply power to the best part of a million homes.

The government talks about attracting investment into Britain. Well, of course they will attract investment when they guarantee profits. Fuck me, we’d all be up for a gamble on a certainty (what could possibly go wrong?) but the profits promised to these gigantic organisations will not only come from the individual pockets of every British fuel user, they will almost exclusively all go abroad. And most outrageous of all is that the collaborators will maintain the lie even as they shovel up the spondulix in full view of the public; akin to robbing a bank while the police cordon holds back the crowd of depositors.

It’s always wrong to hold an opinion without considering the evidence, so I have applied the same rigorous analysis as the green evangelists to the following summary of the flip side of the ‘renewable’ energy confidence trick. You will find me dispassionate and honest and open and history will show that I have just as much proof of these ‘facts’ as the gold diggers have for theirs.

Wind power – The Alternative Facts:

Firstly, Wind Farm. This phrase is a misnomer; they are no more farming wind as a meadow is cultivating rain and therein lies the chief drawback, which somehow seems to have been overlooked – what if there is no wind? Frequently, for days at a time, the wind will simply not blow. Not a problem, when there is no wind the government will pay anyway while the turbines stand idle. You’ll never know – you’ll be kept, quite literally, in the dark. The other issue with the wind is you can have too much of a good thing; if it is too windy, to avoid damage the blades will be locked. So, as far as the main ‘crop’ is concerned, wind farms will not produce unless there is just the right amount of wind. Phew, luckily for them that here in the UK we have the most stable and predictable weather conditions in the world. Oh, wait…

There’s really no need to go much further – governments have conspired to replace our reliable, controllable, sustainable and proven electricity generation infrastructure with eye-wateringly inefficient, unreliable and hugely expensive white elephants for entirely ideological reasons, for which we will pay in all manner of ways long into the foreseeable future. By the time they come to their senses – or are burned at the stake for their excesses – it will be too late to stem the tide.

Oh, and talking of the tide, the North Sea is hardly a benign environment. The life of these white behemoths will be less than half that predicted. The capital costs will never be recovered, it will just be ‘accounted away’ and forgotten and the disposal costs, which will be enormous are never factored into the equation in the first place – somebody else’s problem. As they rust and fall into the sea, how long will it be before the exact same hippy pressure groups are wailing and gnashing their teeth and demanding action over the damage to the marine environment?

There’s little point in getting worked up about it; the deed is done. But what we could all do is practice getting by without any electricity at all for days on end, ready for a time quite soon when we will finally see a return to the traditional lifestyles so beloved of and invoked by all administrations. As you all huddle around the family candle for warmth you will be able to watch the ruddy glow of your children’s cheeks while you tell them wild fairy stories of the days when the lights came on at the flick of a switch

Comments
  1. hunter says:

    Good essay. The comparison of farming rain and farming wind is fantastic. People know that rain is not dependable. When talking about lack of wind, I would not use “if”. I would use “when”. Wind ALWAYS dies down. It is not a matter of “if”. I would also point out strongly just how corrosive the marine environment is.
    The other is the unscalable nature of wind power. There are few if any economies of scale in large wind mill arrays.

  2. Joe Public says:

    I prefer the phrase “Subsidy Farm”.

  3. Assuming 35% utilisation, 1.2GW of nameplate capacity will cost about £400 million every year in subsidies (based on a strike price of £150/MWh.

    Or about £400 pa for each of those lucky households to have the privelege of electricity 2 days a week!

  4. Richard111 says:

    And here in Wales…

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/construction-start-next-year-biggest-5068450

    The claim is it will be the biggest onshore wind farm in England and Wales.

    And I hear France intends to reduce its nuclear generation by half. The future is going to be fun.

  5. Well said that man

  6. tallbloke says:

    I prefer the term ‘subsidy reapers’.

  7. hunter says:

    The French are going to walk away from what is proven to work and deliberately select that which is proven to now work?
    How post normal.

  8. hunter says:

    >sigh<
    The French are going to walk away from what is proven to work and deliberately select that which is proven to *not* work?
    How post normal.

  9. J Martin says:

    If France is going to halve it’s nuclear generation, then the French really have caught the latest English disease. Guess the French will be returning to their accustomed position, namely that of an English joke.

    As for giant windfarms I remain concerned that no study of the consequences to the local and greater environment exists of such windfarms. Will the Norwegian people be happy to have 1.2GW removed from the energy that would otherwise have come their way. What weather effects will that have downwind.

    And where does all that energy come from ? Is it really just solar power converted to wind and therefore perhaps benign, or is it also being stolen from the Earth’s spin and therefore eventually fatal to all life on Earth.

    Until these questions are answered then no windmill should be built.

    I wonder how long it will take to build this absurd elephant. It should be completed just in time to see cooling set in and increasingly severe storms to go with the cooling as also occurred during the little ice age. The white metal spinning things may well have a much shorter life span than the gullible politicians believe.

    People should be offered a choice of payment plans based on whether they think that temperatures will rise or not. The losers pay. So rather than everyone paying £400 a year, if the population splits 50 50 then the losers will pay £800 per year. Seems fair to me. Let people pay for their beliefs.

    And the worst of it is, they have never properly accounted for the lifespan co2 budget of these things. A professor at I think a Manchester University, worked out that windmills produce more co2, not less.

    If this folly is to be paid from electricity bills and we get frequent powercuts then I will go off grid. I will install a generator capable of running the most power hungry device plus fridge-freezer plus some lights. I can cope with only running one power hungry device at a time. First the oven, then the dishwasher, the washing machine at other times and so on.

  10. johnnyrvf says:

    The ‘decision’ by the French to halve their nuclear power generation was a deal done by Mr Bricolage, the new socialist president to get political backing so he had a chance of winning, it was a dud deal because the date stipulated was by 2050 and by that time the environmentalists of today won’t be around quite apart from the huge demonstrations that will arrive if energy prices rise as in Germany and the U.K., behind the French govt. is a civil service that is very pro France and looks to the long term, knowing how hard France fought to get the ITER project on it’s soil AND the fact that EDF is a big Nuclear force worldwide, pride along with pragmatism would suggest that old Nuclear will be replaced with new Nuclear, probably Thorium although sadly Brussels has a big say in what goes on hence the building of expensive off shore wind farms in the Atlantic, the vast majority of people I have spoken to over here realize how stupid this administration is but reckon it is so unpopular internal schisms will topple it and it’s stupid green policies sooner rather than later.

  11. I beg you to implement these “Wind Farm” projects with great urgency, so we (in the USA) won’t have to. Your projects are driven by “Targeted Incentives” which means that your government will make agreements guaranteeing success for the favored few as long as the subsidies are maintained. Because there is not enough money to offer the incentives to everyone, bureaucrats have to decide who will get them and who will not. It is hard to think of a better recipe for creating corruption and scandal!

    “Targeted Incentives” (aka “Corporate Welfare”) created 4 GW of solar power in Spain and 16 GW in Germany. My power company (Florida Power & Light) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Next Era Energy which built some of the largest solar power facilities in the world in exchange for what amounts to a four year “Tax Holiday” worth $2.5 billion or roughly five “Solyndras”. They are not planning to build any more given that the incentives have melted away:

    Electric Power in Florida

  12. Doug Proctor says:

    The reversal of green energy has begun. In Alberta, there was a big bio-fuel program set up by a one-term Premier in the 90s (Stelmach, eminently forgettable). In the paper the other day I saw that ALL political parties are against the subsidies it requires, and ALL political parties agree that CO2 emissions do not go down, while some say they go up. For something even Gore admits is wrong to still be staggering along shows how much inertia government machines have. You can start ’em moving overnight, but you sure can’t stop ’em in the same time period.

    I bring this up because windpower seems to be Britain’s biofuel. We have windpower here, and I’ve talked to windpower engineers, and they tell me that they never got the subsidies that Britain has. Their projects, they claim, work in the normal way. Now, they may work because they have tax breaks, but that is better than price guarantees above market. And while in principle I dislike the tax program being used to stimulate/regulate/control business as it distorts good technical practices, since I use/benefit from tax breaks all through my life (including my profession) AS EVERYONE DOES SOMEWHERE, I can’t complain too much without discomfort.

    Once in motion, programs grind on. It would be better for the nation if the government would admit an error, financially compensate those whose error lead them into financial problems, and move on. Would being based on “could”, which is about saving face.

    Piet Hein, a Danish inventor and poet, once wrote: “The noble art of losing face may, one day, save the human race”. Wouldn’t that be a good idea? Have governments that say, “Whoops! My bad. Let’s turn the car around and go somewhere better”.

    As if.

  13. Richard111 says:

    Anyone keeping a check on current wind power generation levels during the present UK heat wave?

  14. JohnM says:

    Wind, at this time and date = 0.39GW in the United Kingdom of Serfs and Donkeys.
    It has not exceeded 0.5 GW since Thursday. Coal is baseline constant at 10 GW (+-).

    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

  15. Richard111 says:

    Thanks JohnM.

  16. Brian H says:

    Stupidity is the only capital crime in Nature. Say your (final) prayers.

  17. Zeke says:

    Cowboy’s Ten Commandments posted on the wall at Cross Trails Church in Fairlie, TX

    Just one God.
    No idols, and nothin’ before God.
    Watch yer mouth.
    Honor yer Ma & Pa.
    No telling tales or gossipin’.
    Git yourself to Sunday meeting.
    No foolin’ around with another fellow’s gal.
    No killin’.
    Don’t take what ain’t yers.
    Don’t be hankerin’ for yer buddy’s stuff.

    I thought someone might enjoy that paraphrase. On a little more serious note, apparently the X Commandments were voluntarily agreed upon as a basis for a society by the people involved. This also meant that there was no legislative body, no monarchy whatsoever, complete equality before the law in all classes (unlike the surrounding nations), private property was respected, and there was a very limited judiciary/priesthood, which was not allowed to own property.

    Now, that looks rather heavenly to me, keeping the intervening 34 centuries’ experiences in mind. But if it is not heavenly, it was a bold and brilliant experiment in self government built to last and not be destroyed by a political class with nothing to do all day but interfere with people’s lives.

  18. RichardLH says:

    The problem with wind is the air. It is very light so you need a lot of it to get some reasonable power out of it.

    And I think that means you need to build BIG.

    SO why not do, but FLAT rather than high.

    Build a large, floating in water ‘ring barge’ and build fixed blades on that and angled blades on the stationary ‘pontoon’ round it, add power takeoff between the two and…..

    Now how big can I builkd a flat horizontal crossfrw air turbine. 500m, 1000m…..

  19. RichardLH says:

    Fot that example about and other Open Source Energy Collectors see http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/RichardLH/story/77871