Nick Clegg: I challenge Farage to debate EU membership

Posted: February 20, 2014 by tallbloke in Accountability, government, Politics

These phone-ins we do at LBC do have a habit of generating a few headlines, and today’s CALL CLEGG was no exception. Nick Clegg has challenged Nigel Farage to a live debate on the EU.

As it’s PHONEFARAGE tomorrow morning, it shouldn’t be too difficult to get an answer from the UKIP leader. But I wonder if Nick Clegg might have cause to regret issuing the invitation, as it raises Nigel Farage to the same level as the Deputy Prime Minister. It also could put the general election TV debates in jeopardy as Farage would have a much stronger case for inclusion in those debates this time around. But I suspect David Cameron would rather shove a red hot poker up his backside than take part in a debate with Farage. The two loathe each other.

This is what Nick Clegg said…“I will challenge Nigel Farage to a public open debate about whether we should be in or out of the European Union, because that is now the choice facing this country and he is the leader of the party of ‘Out’, I am the leader of the party of ‘In’. I think it’s time we now have a proper public debate so the public can listen to the two sides of the argument and judge for themselves. If Nigel Farage is either listening or looking at this programme I hope he would take up my challenge to debate, once and for all, publically, should we be in the European Union – which I believe means that we have more people in work than would otherwise be the case, we keep ourselves safer because we can go after cross-border crime and terrorism, it means we can look after the environment in the way that we can’t on our own or do we do what UKIP want which is to pull ourselves out of the European Union and so jeopardise millions of jobs in this country? “That’s the choice let’s have the debate out in the open and I am very happy and very keen to debate that with Nigel Farage directly.”

If Farage doesn’t say yes to Cleggie, he will come across as a wuss, and I suspect he will say yes because I suspect he will feel he has little to lose and would wipe the floor with the leader of the LibDems.But has Clegg dropped the ball with his challenge. Read his words again. How can he offer that debate to Farage and then deny a referendum on the same subject to the British people?I think it’s time we now have a proper public debate so the public can listen to the two sides of the argument and judge for themselves.And then vote. Because that is what the public will want. And they won’t see an amorphous vote in the European elections as anywhere near enough. Mr Clegg, you have been warned.

Pre-election promise from Clegg:
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UPDATE: Response from UKIP… A UKIPspokesman said:“Mr Farage would like to thank Mr Clegg for his kind invitation to a debate on the great issue of Britain’s membership of the European Union. Perhaps he could also let us know whether he has invited David Cameron and Ed Miliband too in order that the British people can see all their main political leaders argue their positions. If this challenge means that Mr Clegg is going to restore his backing for an In/Out referendum, which he gave before the last election but then withdrew afterwards, then it could be a significant moment in British politics. Mr Farage will give a full response to this development on LBC tomorrow morning

Comments
  1. Truthseeker says:

    In politics no-one can hear you back-pedal.

    I suspect that by tomorrow, the only sound you will hear will be the furious back-pedalling of Mr Clegg.

  2. colliemum says:

    Cleggie assumes he’ll come out the winner, recalling his success at the 2010 debates.
    Sadly for him, Nigel Farage is no Cameron nor a Gord.
    Also, Cleggie should’ve done his homework and watch a bit of QT, where Nigel Farage regularly wipes the floor with opponents, in spite of an hostile audience and a hostile moderator – never mind hostile co-panellists …
    It’ll be great fun to watch, that’s for sure – but I suspect Cleggie will have to wash his hair at any date proposed by Nigel Farage …

  3. Me_Again says:

    What is LBC anyway? something to do with Londonistan?

  4. tallbloke says:

    Sounds tough and decisive when you say it Nick. 🙂 🙂

  5. hunter says:

    Borders, language, culture make a nation. The EU seems committed to the opposite.

  6. graphicconception says:

    Bring it on!

    It puts me in mind of this comment about a televised climate change debate between Mark Morano and Bill Nye: “Utterly Stunned watching Climate Depot’s [Morano] debate UNARMED opponent’ Nye”.

  7. graphicconception says:

    It’s got to be a Cameron ploy, hasn’t it.

    He has finally worked out a way to be rid of the Lib Dems. Get Cleggy to be publicly humiliated by Farage, see which way the wind is blowing and then claim he wanted to do it that way all along.

    He hasn’t got to be where he is today without a certain low cunning.

  8. Having seen Farage in action and listened to Clegg spout BS, it should be great fun.

  9. Me_Again says:

    Bit disappointed with UKIP’s official response. They know the chances of getting Cameron, Clegg and Milliband to agree to a debate are zero.

    Actually appears to me as ‘chicken’, ducking the opportunity.

    He should take this opportunity to demolish the most pro – EU leader, thus guaranteeing his place on the platform next year.

  10. hunter says:

    The UKIP intial response is a bit wordy, but hopefully the full reply will have more heat.

  11. Me_Again says:

    The very wordiness smacks of defensiveness. A simple ‘bring it on’ name the time and day would do.

    Wordy is what the current set of idiots do to hide what they are up to. We need to be straight up and different.

  12. tallbloke says:

    M_A: Perhaps Farage wants to talk to the organ grinder rather than his monkey?

  13. Me_Again says:

    If he’d just come straight out and said yes, where and when. Then he’d be seen as decisive, confident and maybe eager to debate.

    Faffing around like this is based on advisers I reckon. Bet you, Nigel just wanted to go for it but was advised caution.

  14. Q. Daniels says:

    Looking at this as a strategic game, I think it’s better for both Farage and Clegg if Cameron and Milliband were sidelined.

    Put differently, both would be happy if the next election came down to UKIP vs. LibDem.

  15. tallbloke says:

    I think that enquiring of Nick Clegg whether not he is extending the invite to debate to the other party leaders is a good move. They all sing from the same songsheet, and the public would be able to see that UKIP is the only party with enough commonsense to deal with the EU.

  16. tallbloke says:

    I just heard Farage on LBC radio. He confirmed he will debate Clegg. Also said that if UKIP win the Euro elections, there’s no excuse for UKIP to be excluded from televised debates next year. Still calling for a public inquiry on flooding to determine the extent of EA’s culpability in over-zealously following EU directives. This is exactly what I said to Richard North on Autonomous Mind’s blog a week ago.

    That’s the second time Nigel Farage has listened to my sage advice. 🙂
    The first was at the Harrogate commonsense tour stopover, where I met him at the bar just prior to him going onstage and advised him to separate the energy issue from the climate issue.

  17. Me_Again says:

    Well that’s not how I see it Rog, just hope the population in general agree with you and not me then.

  18. tallbloke says:

    New story on the Clegg – Farage EU debate:
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/461014/It-s-on-Nigel-Farage-says-he-WILL-take-up-Nick-Clegg-s-Europe-debate-challenge

    “Speaking to Nick Ferrari today on the same station, Mr Farage said he would happily talk to Nick Clegg, but would like David Cameron and Ed Miliband to attend as well.

    He said: “When the Deputy Prime Minister says he wants to go public and have a debate on this issue, I have absolutely no choice.

    “I’ve got to say yes as we need to have a national debate on what I think is the most important issue that this country has faced for 100 years in terms of our constitution.

    “The answer is yes. But with one small caveat.”
    “I do really want for the Labour party in the shape of Ed Miliband and the Conservative party in the shape of the Prime Minister to join this debate as well.

    “So yes I’ll do it with Nick Clegg, but the other two, I would like to see them there as well.”

    He went on to say he doubted the others would take part, but assured this would not stop from going head to head with Mr Clegg.

    He said: “They will say no, Downing street has already briefed. They said that David Cameron was too busy running the country.

    “Well running probably is the right word well Mr Cameron – that’s actually what the debate is about – who is running the country?

    “Are you running it, as the Prime Minister, who goes to the House of Commons once a week, or is EU Commissioner Viviane Reding-Wright, when she said in London last week that 70 per cent of our laws are now made in Brussels?

    “I suspect that David Cameron doesn’t ever want to have this debate.”

    He claimed Labour would also be reluctant to take part because of the divide the issue has caused in the party.

  19. tallbloke says:

    Me_Again: No worries, that argument has been superseded by events. Farage will debate Clegg. I doubt the public at large will be bothered that he tried to get Clegg to invite Cam and Mil before accepting.

  20. Me_Again says:

    ….he must have listened to my advice that time Rog.

  21. tallbloke says:

    That’d mean he reads this blog, for which I’d be delighted. 😉

  22. Me_Again says:

    Your famous!

  23. Brian H says:

    How will Clegg lead his party after being rendered into Tartare?