This article is by Tim Channon[1], not Tallbloke.
Cameron is complaining about a small surcharge after he agrees to the far larger EU Climate agenda including EU ETS.
Media buy the smokescreen.
Dates are important
From gov.uk web site
Speech
European Council October 2014: David Cameron’s speech
From: Prime Minister’s Office, 10 Downing Street and The Rt Hon David Cameron MP
Delivered on: 24 October 2014 (Transcript of the speech, exactly as it was delivered)Good afternoon and welcome. It has been 24 hours in Brussels with some notable and important successes, but also with some deep frustrations and frankly quite a bit of anger about the way we have been treated.
… [Ebola]
The second issue has been climate change, where I want to make sure Europe is playing its part in delivering a global deal that can prevent dangerous climate change. I think it was very important that Europe stepped up to the plate, and we have done that, with committing ourselves to more than 40% reductions of greenhouse gases by 2030.
— https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/european-council-october-2014-david-camerons-speech
Who got the headlines and brickbats over an announced EU climate intent? Not Cameron, the outgoing Rompuy.
Cameron has gone very loudly ballistic over money, hiding the climate issue completely. Looks like the media bought this.
I need to confirm he was there.
This is dated 23rd October 2014 the day before the above
EU leaders gear up for heated climate summit
23.10.14 @ 09:29
By Peter TefferBrussels – The EU’s 28 leaders are meeting on Thursday (23 October) in Brussels for what are expected to be tough negotiations on climate targets.
“The negotiations will not be simple and I can’t say if there will be a deal”, German chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday afternoon after arriving in Brussels.
British prime minister David Cameron did not mention the climate targets when speaking to journalists.
EU leaders reach 2030 deal on climate and energy
24.10.14 @ 03:59 <== time
http://euobserver.com/news/126227
UN welcomes EU climate deal
24.10.14 @ 16:58 <== time
http://euobserver.com/environment/126242
What does www.parliament.uk have to say on the EU meeting? Starts to rebound.
European Council October 2014
The Prime Minister attended the meeting of the European Council on 23 and 24 October 2014. Points of discussion at the meeting included the 2030 climate energy policy, EU financial help to fight Ebola and the European economy.
European Council meeting: 23-24 October 2014 (external site)
Where on the link we find a different slant, rebounded.
24/10/2014
Europe leads the way in the fight against climate change and EbolaOn 24 October, EU leaders agreed to the world’s most ambitious 2030 climate energy policy. They also decided to increase EU financial help to €1 billion to fight Ebola and discussed the state of the European economy. Euro area leaders also met in the Euro Summit format to discuss the euro area.
— http://www.european-council.europa.eu/home-page/highlights/europe-leads-the-way-in-the-fight-against-climate-change-and-ebola?lang=en
PDF
Subject: European Council (23 and 24 October 2014)
Conclusions on 2030 Climate and Energy Policy Framework
I. 2030 CLIMATE AND ENERGY POLICY FRAMEWORK
EU ETS
2.3 a well-functioning, reformed Emissions Trading System (ETS) with an instrument to stabilise the market in line with the Commission proposal will be the main European instrument to achieve this target; the annual factor to reduce the cap on the maximum permitted emissions will be changed from 1.74% to 2.2% from 2021 onwards;
— http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/145356.pdf
I have heard rumour but no evidence so far that Cameron was informed of the surcharge late and under perhaps manipulative circumstances. It might have shut him up on climate. Anyone know more? (a trawl of BBC output might find things)
“prevent dangerous climate change”
That is the belief of Cameron?
I don’t like the look of any of this.
1. I have no political affiliations, just a man in the street.
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“prevent dangerous climate change” -That is the belief of Cameron?
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Follow the money.
So the climate kooks are on the table: They are claiming that by way of their ETS they can control the climate. But no one can define climate, actually.
The age of climate is the age of madness. It is very likely to get much worse. I mean zombie novel worse, before it gets better.
Investors worth $24 trillion call for global carbon price:
http://www.rtcc.org/2014/09/18/investors-worth-24-trillion-call-for-global-carbon-price/#sthash.AmsfH3Aq.dpuf
Reblogged this on the WeatherAction News Blog and commented:
Get the right rabid and onside with the EU red flag, mouth climate platitudes to the greens and lefties to keep them onside. Gut the country whilst no one is looking.
I hope he gets squished at the ballot box but by the time it really hits the fan, CallmeDave will be ‘advising’ one of the same banks responsible for writing the statues so they can ‘trade’
Nation Grid with a taste of what’s in store for us plebs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29794632
The BBC were covering something to do with electricity generation early part of main news program 13:00 on 28th BBC Radio 4.
I came in on this to savaging by a lamb, heard a professor asked about climate smoothly sidestepped answering.
Peter Lilley was then interviewed, performed very well, without sidestepping that I noticed.
The Climate Change Act was on the agenda including Lilley being one of the few voting against. He pointed out it is bad when there is collusion between major parties, not put like that. He is of course correct that the job of opposition is countering and very firmly however distasteful that seems.
I point out that the destruction of a second house and of legal systems has led to a worsening of riding roughshod.
Bishop HIll has done some legwork.
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2014/10/28/wheels-coming-off.html
They said on TV today that Government has known about the payment since January. He’s trying to convince the voters of Rochester that he is not going to pay Europe, in case they are so angry that they vote for UKIP.
Who wanted to support Poland?
This will not be a warm winter in Europe.
http://earth.nullschool.net/#2014/11/02/1200Z/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=25.37,45.32,553
How much more desperate can the one-eyed climate obsession get?
‘Cold winters have been caused by global warming: new research’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/11191520/Cold-winters-have-been-caused-by-global-warming-say-scientists.html
At the Great Lakes snowstorm starts.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29810370
Have a look at this report. France was able to please the EU commis finance controller through negociations. They have met the EUs requirements by using their refund from the UK £1.7b.
The commis set the whole thing up for france. They knew they were going to tap the UK in order to allow france to keep spending while pretending to reduce their budget deficit. Bloody criminals.
@Ren: The recent positive SAM did not result in much more ice, as far as I could see, anyway. Was that because of ‘space weather’, and a warm stratosphere/anomalous upper GPH? Brett Keane, NZ
Brett Keane See the tropopause.
Arctic Sea-Ice
Ren: I’ll have to sleep on that, the effect of stratosphere on tropopause is what I’m looking for? Brett NZ
Brett Keane, yes.
Oldbrew, these are speculations.
Most if not all Carbon (Dioxide) Trading Schemes established so far have gone broke or are going broke. For the most part, they develop into handy public money-laundering services. The EU will be well placed to benefit its hierarchy with this scheme at the expense of the poor of the EU.
Even if the EU did get this 40% emissions reduction it would make no difference. Using CDIAC figures I conservatively forecast that on current trends (but with China & India meeting their emissions pledges), global emissions in 2020 will be 102.2% higher than in 1990. That is emissions will have more than doubled in 30 years. If the EU meets the 40% target global emissions will be 98.7% higher than in 1990. Two-thirds of the emissions increase will have come from India and China with about 35% of the global population. Yet even then, emissions per capita in those two countries will be less than the former First World Countries.
Global emissions are rising because the Third World is catching up with the former First World living standards. No amount of reductions in the EU will make any difference.
I did a few graphs on the difference the UK can make http://manicbeancounter.com/2014/10/29/britains-folly-in-attempting-to-save-the-world-from-global-warming/
The CDIAC figures are at http://cdiac.ornl.gov/GCP/
My projections for global CO2 emissions for 2020 are on the graph below.
The ACEJU group is Australia, Canada, Western EU countries, Japan and USA. It has less than 10% of the global population as against about 18% in China and 18% in India.
ROW includes S America, Africa, Middle East & SE Asia, and has nearly 50% of the global population.
@Ren: is it the downwelling waves of disturbed stratospheric air which upset our higher-latitude weather patterns? These seem to have solar and/or tropospheric origins. Brett
Brett Keane
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/
Thanks, Ren. I can see the seasonality, the perturbations to investigate, and I’ll have to relearn the waves 1-3 concept…. Brett
Brett Keane see lock polar vortex at 10 km.
The effects can be seen at a temperature in the United States.
At WUWT have no clue what is waiting America in winter this year. Only Dr. Roy Spencer is alert.