Britain hit by second earthquake as 3.8 magnitude tremor hits East Midlands

Posted: January 29, 2015 by tallbloke in solar system dynamics
  1. Kelvin Vaughan says:

    I thought I felt the bed move. I thought I imagined it.

  2. ivan says:

    So, there was also a 4.4 in Italy on the 23. When I was working in PNG if we didn’t get our weekly shake we started to worry because the nect one would be much bigger – part of daily life.

  3. A C Osborn says:

    Surely it must have been caused by Fracking?
    Oh but wait, we don’t do any fracking.

  4. Anything is possible says:

    I see your pathetic magnitude 3 earthquake, and raise you one tornado :

  5. doug Proctor says:

    Caused by fracking-to-come.
    Anticipatory disasters are the worst.

  6. ivan says:

    Yes Doug – fracking pre-crime. Just how low can they go?

  7. wayne says:

    So these small quakes are not from the constant shaking and torquing of deep rock formations from windmill farms? Or how about the cooling over the last few (5-10 years) years that causes slight rock contraction relieving pressure that locks rock formations together? People can be so scientifically blind.

  8. Larry says:

    Where I lived a good lot of my life, the 2.9 would not have been noted except under some extreme circumstance that I can not imagine; the 3.8 would have been noted and tossed back under the “Catch and Release” program.

  9. tallbloke says:

  10. linneamogren says:

    I was reading over in the states in Connecticut they are suddenly getting a rash of small earthquakes where it’s almost unheard of. Interesting the UK is seeing similar seismic activity where it normally does not occur.

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    Clearly adding windmills is stressing the land surface and causing this rash of quakes.

    The logic is clear and impeccable (what is a pecc anyway?…) in that wind turbines were built, and now quakes followed. Simply must be cause and effect as I haven’t thought of any other cause. Heck, I’ll be a nice graph showing quake size over time vs windmills built will show the rapid rise of hockey stick like proportions!

    /sarc; for the sarc impaired…

  12. Bob Weber says:

    6 M-class solar flares in the last three days caused ionization in the upper atmosphere that led to discharge events to the Earth – an “electric weather effect” – that caused the quakes in CT and the UK. They also triggered cyclogenesis in the ocean near Madagascar, tropical cyclone Bansi, seen here http//

    An M5 flare on Jan 15 caused tropical storm Chedza, which impacted Madagascar Jan 16-17, and killed 68 people. See and look at the location of the flare impact.


    The SUN causes warming, cooling, and extreme weather events, not CO2!

    Photons, protons, and electrons cause the weather and climate to change, not CO2!

    TB – I’ll be getting back to you soon on the last thing we talked about last year. Cheers.

  13. Zeke says:

    If the six M class flares caused those earthquakes, what caused the many earthquakes the week previous, in which the sun was flat? There were some magnitude 7 quakes during that time, if I recall.

    I have been stunned at the ability of youtube channels to blithely make these kinds of claims whenever there is a flare or CME from the sun. There are so many earthquakes every day. They are clearly not reliant on flares in any way.

  14. Bob Weber says:

    Zeke, I personally did not make any youtube videos on this subject.

    What you assume incorrectly is that I (and others) meant only solar flares cause earthquakes.

    Solar impacts come from other sources too such as CMEs, filament eruptions, and high-density solar sector boundary crossings; and, more than few people I know of in science think planetary alignments including either the full moon or the new moon can also trigger earthquakes.

    If you are willing to give me a specific event with a date I will gladly delve deeper, and if you don’t do that I’ll consider your comment an empty cheap shot.

    Minutes ago I finished some quick research on the top 10 earthquakes TB listed here

    There are sparse solar records before the satellite era, so I can’t evaluate all ten events very well.

    This is what I found for some of the earthquakes listed by number and preceding solar events, using to start:

    4) Japan eq and tsunami on March 11, 2011 –

    March 10 CME impact
    X1.5 flare March 9
    12 M-flares March 10-11
    Kp=6 March 11

    6) Sumatra on Dec 26, 2004 –

    Apogee Full Moon
    Earth inside coronal hole stream

    8) Chile on Feb 27, 2010 –

    Filament eruption Feb 25 (they travel slowly compared to eruptive CMEs)

    10) Sumatra on March 28, 2005 –

    Full Moon on March 24 – on March 28 the moon had just exited the magnetotail at the same time
    Earth had just exited a coronal high-speed stream that we had been in since March 25

    If anyone has a desire to learn how the Earth’s electric field is involved here in terms of mechanisms, please spend a few minutes watching someone who has produced a YT video on the subject, Dr. Kongpop U-Yen, called ‘Evidences for Space Weather Induced Natural Disasters’, here

    I have a long list of electric weather events to discuss, as well as how the Sun causes warming, cooling. and extreme weather events.

    Interested? See my comment here from yesterday, where I discuss the year’s first big electric weather event, the offset polar vortex, caused by a high-density solar sector boundary crossing.

  15. Zeke says:

    Bob Weber says, “6 M-class solar flares in the last three days caused ionization in the upper atmosphere that led to discharge events to the Earth – an “electric weather effect” – that caused the quakes in CT and the UK.”

    The six M-class flares happened on the 28th and 29th. The earthquakes in question also happened on the 28th and 29th, although I never saw them on iris. Does this mean that the CME or flare arrived within hours and caused earthquakes?

    In most cases a CME takes a couple of days to arrive and perturb the gm field. So if what you say is true, these fast particles are near relativistic, and in that case we surely would have seen something larger on the Kp scale. In fact, if you are talking about particles reaching at earth within hours of the actual M-class flares of the 28th and 29th, we surely would have seen at least something in the gm field that rises at least to the level of a storm.

    Bob Weber says, “What you assume incorrectly is that I (and others) meant only solar flares cause earthquakes.”

    I plainly said flares and CMEs.

    BW says, “If you are willing to give me a specific event with a date I will gladly delve deeper, and if you don’t do that I’ll consider your comment an empty cheap shot.”

    I did give you a specific event – the flatness of the solar activity for most of January. And yet there were an average nothing-to-write-home-about number of earthquakes daily. There are plenty of quakes today and a flat sun. Most people around here monitor the earthquakes online and there has been nothing unusual in the number of daily quake activity, in either frequency or intensity.

  16. Bob Weber says:

    Zeke, photons from solar flares arrive at the Earth at the speed of light, in just over eight minutes. Ionization occurs directly upon impact from the higher energy x-rays, causing dissociation of molecules into ions and electrons, that then act electrodynamically in the atmosphere.

    As to your second point, the minor earthquakes are part of what we should call good old regular background tectonic activity. Not all earthquakes are caused by solar impulses, fair enough?

    Any specific event would be here on Earth. What earthquake event would you like to see researched? Just talking about a flat sun isn’t an event to study, it’s a condition, and a rather vague one. What was the IMF during January? When were there coronal hole streams? You must be more specific when talking events and conditions.

    Did you read my post at Roy’s place? Did you understand what was said? Do you have any questions? Further, do you not realize that even during low solar, which by the way, as solar flux maxed this month at 172, not particularly low, we can’t really say solar was “flat” this month, and be accurate.

    There was a big sector boundary crossing on Jan 6/7 that moved the polar vortex. Right now there is another boundary crossing happening if you look at today’s solar wind data on BZ is negative, enhancing geomagnetic activity, and Kp is responding at 4, unsettled, still nothing like the Jan 6/7 impact, but there nonetheless. The sun is almost always doing something to us besides emitting light and heat.

    WHAT WE MUST DO to evaluate these things is first to have an event to study, like a tropical storm or cyclone or hurricane or tornado outbreak or high winds or torrential rains or blizzards, and the like, or a specific earthquake. So, do you have a specific event that you’d like to study?

    So when I ask you for an event, tell me that information so I have something to go on, not a blanket vague statement like “flat” sun or “nothing-to-write-home-about number of earthquakes daily”, OK?

    I’m sure that of all the quakes in January, they weren’t all the same. When was the occurence of the highest magnitude event, and so on. From there we look at the possible causes.

    From there you use the Spaceweather archive time machine and step back one day at a time and look at the information for each day several days in advance of the Earthly event, to see what the sun was throwing our way.

    For all events, we need a time and severity level. When did it happen? How long did it last? What was the absolute magnitude of the event, such as category number in case of hurricanes, or richter scale rating for earthquakes? From there we go to, look up the date of the event, and see what the sun was doing, solar wind speed, density, direction (Bz, etc), X-ray flux, flares, coronal holes, filament eruptions, sunspot number, solar flux, and the lunar state if it applies.

    As you so this and in realtime for quite a while it will become apparent to you why I and others say what we do. It does help to be an electrical engineer, as I and Dr. U-Yen are.

    Now what you might consider right now is what did you personally do to earn this high-quality education I just gave to you at no cost to youself?

    I spent several years learning this stuff, and there was no one there to tell me what to look for.

  17. gallopingcamel says:

    Actually, the earthquakes were caused by man made CO2 emissions. Every problem can be traced back to the fundamental wickedness of using fossil fuels to make our lives more comfortable.

    What we need now is public flagellations and ceremomies where all our possessions are arranged in large heaps so that they can be ritually incinerated. A bonfire of the vanities!

  18. Larry says:

    But the REAL news is that the CO 2 problem doesn’t have anything to do with people (with the possible exception of the Yąnomamö) but rather is apparently caused by the trees of the rainforests.