A Week is a Long Time in Politics and There’s Never a Dull Day in UKIP!

Posted: May 14, 2015 by tallbloke in Politics
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Nigel_Farage_MEP-sLast Thursday, UKIP gained nearly four million votes at the UK general election. This was a little less than half what the 100+ year old Labour party achieved, and a little more than a third of what the victorious Conservative party achieved. UKIP also overtook the Liberal Democrats to firmly establish itself as the third force in UK politics, despite the infamous ‘first past the post’ voting system giving UKIP only one parliamentary seat to represent its nearly 4,000,000 voters.

The party leader, Nigel Farage, narrowly lost in the contest for the Thanet South constituency. Having previously said it wouldn’t be tenable to remain as leader if he wasn’t able to lead the parliamentary party from within the house of commons, he offered his resignation. However, it turned out that the UKIP parliamentary party consisted of a single MP, Douglas Carswell, and Doug stated that he didn’t want to stand in a leadership election, as he had his constituents and family to take care of.

Messages of support for Farage poured into head office from around the country, and confronted with these by the National Executive Committee who asked him to withdraw his resignation, Farage agreed to stay on as leader. At our local branch meeting this Tuesday, there was unanimous support for Farage’s continued leadership, with which he has served us so well. I’m sure other branches across the country will hold similar votes of confidence and let our party chairman have the results.

oflynn-attacksThis morning, an article appeared in the Times (paywalled), which interviewed MEP Patrick ‘O’ Flynn. In it he attacked Nigel Farage, not for political failure, or for corruption, or inability, but for becoming “snarling, thin skinned and aggressive”. Get some big boy trouser Patrick! Back pain’s a bitch, and sometimes normally affable people suffering it get ratty. I know this from my own back injury.

Momentous things are afoot. Conservative leader David Cameron is now backed into a corner on the EU referendum issue. Last year, he promised that a referendum would be held if the Conservatives won a majority at the general election. He made this promise because he didn’t believe that would happen. But it has. He can’t wriggle out of it, as this would bring about a mass defection of tory eurosceptic MP’s to UKIP, who would then hold sway over the government.

In fact, if Cameron tries to rig the terms of the referendum, older eurospectips tory MP’s who won’t be seeking re-eloection in 2020 may well come over to UKIP anyway, so UKIP can hold Cameron’s feet to the fire and force a free, fair referendum which:-

Asks a neutral question,

Excludes the four million EU nationals working in the UK presently (like scots living in England were excluded from the Scottish indyref last year),

Makes funding and media coverage equal for both sides.

We live in interesting times, and there’s never a dull day in UKIP. The media is of course trying to use the ‘O’ Flynn spat as a wedge to drive into the UKIP leadership. Patrick should know better. He sent an email to all candidates last month warning us not to backbite in media interviews. He needs to heed his own advice more carefully. Last November, he had this to say about Nigel Farage:

We have an incredibly strong leader who is undoubtedly the most important reason for our success and has connected with a huge slice of the electorate.’

‘He’s a strong leader with strong views, and he’s ‘going to remain the dominant figure in setting the direction of the party, I’ve no doubt about that.’ 

That’s more like it. Remember who’s the boss Patrick!

  1. The BBC is of course making this “spat” into a major news item. Bias in the BBC? What bias?

  2. Konrad says:

    Excellent news! Nigel Farage is “call me Dave” Cameron’s worst nightmare. Nigel now effectively controls Cameron’s party on climate and the EU issues.

  3. dickon66 says:

    Noticed a news article this morning; Police investigating some form of alleged discrepancy, which may amount to election fraud, in the South Thanet constituency. No details as yet, but UKIP have said the allegation didn’t come from them. The drama continues.

  4. Roger, many thanks for putting considerably more meat on the bone of this story than I was able to glean from BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. It is disappointing that backbiting and infighting seem to have risen to the fore and as ever the msm seem all too keen to air unfavourable stories regarding UKIP.

    The irony is that one of the stories comes from UKIP wishing to be transparent regarding Short Money – which has been around since the 1970s and this is the first time I can remember it being reported upon – thus it would appear that other smaller parties have never questioned the amount they have been allocated. This should have been a “praise for honesty” type story, rather than the negative story that has been propagated.

    Today’s infighting story and Nigel Farage’s continuance as leader, following his unanimous backing from the Party, should not have been a story at all. One of UKIP’s Libertarian principles is for primacy of the individual and no party whip, thus people within the party ought to be allowed to have different opinions on individual matters which can then be discussed.

    Writing to the papers, though, to air dirty laundry in public, should be frowned upon. I hope that Mr O’Flynn will have opportunity to make amends for this lapse of judgement.

    As one of the 3.8 million, I do not want to see the party that I voted for disintegrate when on the threshold of achievement.

  5. tallbloke says:

    Nice try BBC, now naff off.

    In other news:

  6. tallbloke says:

    Good news. Patrick ‘O’ Flynn has clarified his opinions on Sky news. He has a beef with a couple of Nigel Farage’s aides, but not the leader of the party:

  7. It just goes to prove, yet again, that you cannot trust the Times or the BBC (or any of the other anti-UKIP msm).

  8. Tim Hammond says:

    Your claim about Cameron and the referendum makes no sense.

    If he didn’t believe he would be in power, why would he bother to make the offer? What could he possibly gain? If he lost the election, he would have resigned, so the only plausible explanation is that he made the offer to persuade people to vote Tory.

    Quite why Kippers keep twisting and turning in such silly ways on this issue is beyond me.

  9. tallbloke says:

    Cameron believed, along with everyone else, that there would be another hung parliament. Why wouldn’t he? Prior to this election, the conservatives hadn’t won a majority since 1992.

  10. mkelly says:

    Tallbloke says:”…despite the infamous ‘first past the post’ voting system…”

    Why do you use the word infamous? This seems to indicate you think there is some wrong with it. If so please explain.

  11. Stephen Richards says:

    People like Flynn are a pain in the arse. Doesn’t engage brain before opening mouth.

  12. Stephen Richards says:

    mkelly says:

    May 14, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    Tallbloke says:”…despite the infamous ‘first past the post’ voting system…”

    Why do you use the word infamous? This seems to indicate you think there is some wrong with it. If so please explain.

    Are you really that thick? Let me help you as Roger tried earlier. 3.9 million votes = 1 MP UKIP

    SMP how many votes ? How many MPs ?

  13. Have you seen the video of the BBC correspondent Norman Smith talking about Farage? As far as I can see the stupid cult has not even apologised.

  14. tallbloke says:

    Lol. Yes, I saw a vine of the relevant bit done by Guido.

    The fightback begins. 🙂

  15. Schrodinger's Cat says:

    Decades of integration with the EU means that many of the public view the EU as a benign market that has no bearing on everyday life. It would take a massive education program to make them understand the extent to which we are ruled by unelected bureaucrats.

    When UKIP was hoping to force a referendum this year (in a balance of power scenario) I was in despair. We would lose heavily. We shall still lose heavily in 2017 without a miracle. We need business on the “out” side for a start. I see no sign of any plan.

  16. Schrodinger's Cat says:

    Apologies, I meant to say “integration by stealth”. I do not want a referendum if there is any chance of losing it. That would be worse than anything because it would be taken as approval for further integration.

  17. tallbloke says:

    SC: It is our destiny to try. Leaving it until later won’t make it any easier.

  18. Schrodinger's Cat says:

    The major obstacles to winning a referendum are just about every business and business organisation, the media including the BBC, every other political party, and most of the public who are ignorant of EU matters.

    The BBC as national broadcaster has an obligation to inform the public but they avoid giving daily updates on legislation passing through the Commission and its parliament. Now, you and I know why, but UKIP should raise this as an issue in the House. It might surprise some of the public to learn that most of their laws originate in Brussels.

    With regard to business there is the work done by Richard North. Now, I know all about the bad blood. It is a pity to waste a resource. Also, why does UKIP not talk about article 50 and EEA? If the Europhiles continue to win the false argument that out of the EU means out of the market, then we can pack it in now.

    Then there is the matter of education. UKIP should publish simple summaries of the exclusive and shared competences where the EU have ultimate control of our lives. That would be a good start.

    I voted UKIP (again) but I am frustrated that the party is more intent on infighting than actually doing something. The suggestions above show that just a minute’s thought comes up with more ideas than UKIP have implemented in a year.

  19. Schrodinger's Cat says:

    Roger, my last paragraph was probably unfair, but written in frustration. I suppose that my main message is that changing attitudes is necessary before any referendum. This means a clear plan for business and education about the extent of EU control for the public.

  20. M Simon says:

    Nigel has his fans on this side of the pond. Good to see he is staying on.

  21. M Simon says:


    You are not running the campaign correctly.

    The question: “Should the Germans and French be running Britain?”

    “British interests should be decided in Britain”

    That sort of thing. If I should be using England (or something else) rather than Britain my apologies. I’m a Yank. But you get the idea.

  22. tallbloke says:

  23. Fanakapan says:

    The voting system may well be considered ‘Unfair’ by some, but the fact remains that a Majority of the electorate thought, less than 5 years ago, that it was good enough to keep as it was.

    If UKIP wants to be a ‘Serious’ political party, then it is going to have to move on from the Cult of Personality that Farage by his charisma has effectively created.

    As for the upcoming Referendum, you UKIP fellas may have to accept that probably 50% of the electorate may well consider the whole debate irrelevant, either because they are Pro EU, or are blissfully ignorant of the Supposed affront to our ‘Liberties’ that it is said to represent. There seems to a prevailing opinion from UKIP supporters that without their input, the British public will be somehow charmed into making the ‘Wrong’ decision ?

  24. tempestnut says:

    Roger I once supported UKIP but the last 3 years especially has seen immigration the main talking point to the exclusion of almost all else. Several open goals have presented themselves to UKIP over energy and the flooding and yet they didn’t push the point home. I loath Cameron as many ex Conservatives do, but the fact remains he has promised an IN OUT referendum and we will get it. Its a done deal. He is convinced he will win and if UKIPers carry on the way they are currently he will win.

    Cameron will probably use article 48 for quick minor treaty changes that do nothing substantive but will be played up by both the Cameron Government and the EU, and they will look to appease those who harp on about immigration without understanding the issues and those that think the EU is about economics. They will go on about saving jobs when the issue is about politics.

    Its the electoral commission that will set the question, not the Tories, and the in out referendum has to be about politics, NOT about immigration or economics. Argue those 2 subjects and we lose because not enough of you understand the issues or detail well enough, in the same way you understand science. Also the IN and the OUT campaigns are NOT run by political parties but by organisations appointed by the electrical commission.

    What we don’t need as of this moment is more from UKIP of what we got during the election, harping on about immigration and scaring people because they have no coherent plan for the exit strategy that can inform the public and reassure them they won’t lose their jobs. UKIP to my mind, and I whish they had, don’t have a clue about how to exit the EU.

  25. E.M.Smith says:

    “First Past The Post”, and why it is an issue.

    In a small nutshell “minority rights”.

    If a strong minority wins some in every district, it gets little representation. The only way to get representation is to be a majority somewhere. (We have this problem in the USA as the ‘electoral college’ that chooses our president).

    The excuse for it is “stability” in that it introduces a large hysteresis in the vote. Only folks with strong presence in a majority of areas can win full power. It is done via a disenfranchising of any ‘large but less than majority but diffuse’ movement. It is how the USA ends up with a “two party” system (even though nothing in our constitution or government says we are or ought to be one) since anything less than ‘nearly half’ is irrelevant.

    So if you are all for quashing minority rights, by all means, have a very stable “first past the post”.
    If you want representation of strong minority opinion before it is over 50%, then change it.

  26. Fanakapan says:

    At this time its only UKIP and the Greens who have been ‘Unfairly’ treated. I’m guessing that if it were the Greens who stood to gain many more seats by some adjustment of the voting system, then the appetite for change might be somewhat less ?

    The history of the UK shows that any political grouping that aspires to getting within reach of the levers of power, must have a period of fighting with little gain, of at least 20 or more years.

    It is by way of First past the Post that parties of the moment are kept out of the game. And we dont have to go back too far to see the benefits, only as far as the 2010 election when a certain BNP were on a roll 🙂

  27. M Simon says:

    E.M.Smith says:
    May 15, 2015 at 12:48 am

    One point about the American system – coalitions are made before the election. So it does have its points.

  28. tallbloke says:

    Yep, it’s the night of the long knives, day 2. The Establishment are clearly rattled, and are desperate to do away with Farage, who is the one person who might actually sway the EU referendum in favour of Brexit.

    After all the pressure heaped on Farage yesterday by the Times, the BBC, Sky News and all the rest of the media pack, he played an absolute blinder on BBC question time last night.

    they weren’t applauding him at the start, but he had them (and Sir Brian May) eating out of his hand by the end. He got a lot of applause for what he said about PR too. A masterful performance. I particularly liked the way he defused the argy-bargy within the party by saying it was just the election campaign pressure-cooker letting off steam. Very statesmanlike. Also the way he de-fanged the short money debate and Douglas Carswell’s attempt to set up a separate bank account by saying we’d fundraise it ourselves. I’ll back that with a tenner.

    Dan Hannan said in a telegraph article that we should “find a businessman to front the OUT campaign”.
    Which one?

    I know I prefer my elected leader, who genuinely cares about the repatriation of our sovereignty and the preservation of our 800 year old development of common law. Doug’s Tory instincts to push down the common man in favour of elite mercantile interests coming to the fore unfortunately. Unless you think the businessman he had in mind was the guy who runs your local corner shop.

    Somehow I doubt it.

    Fanakapan: “Supposed affront to our ‘Liberties’”

    How do I vote to remove EU commissioners found to be dictatorial authoritarian corrupt despots?

    Majority of the electorate thought, less than 5 years ago, that it was good enough to keep as it was.

    Majority of the electorate didn’t understand the question, and didn’t vote in the referendum. And the system on offer was AV, not PR.

    Tempestnut: ” The Electoral Commission”

    Have proved themselves to be a corrupt, lazy, useless bunch of stooges. The only way we’ll get a properly conducted referendum is by forcing the government, kicking and screaming, to do things properly, as I outlined in the original post.

  29. PeterMG says:

    Roger The electoral commission may be PC and useless when it comes to dealing with election fraud as was the case recently in Tower Hamlets. However they have already done much work on the EU questions and this is in the public domain. Farage cannot and will not front the out Campaign. He is a Politian and whilst he has done a good job at highlighting some of the issues has done Zero on providing solutions and in particular the exit from the EU, and in this he is a liability and despite numerous overtures he has spurned all approaches from other groups. Not a good start.

    On the point of first past the post: In our elections we are voting for local members of parliament, not a central government. The overall share of the vote does not count, other than for academic purposes. Many people myself included don’t like the way the current system works, however changing the voting system has always resulted in minorities having MORE influence than the majority and has never solved the issues it was set to resolve.

    One solution is to have a directly elected Prime Minister by popular vote who appoints their cabinet, none of whom can be a Member of Parliament. That way you get the executive running the country and the Legislature holding them to account. The last step is to have direct democracy in a similar (but not identical) fashion to Switzerland where no treaties or big spending projects can be gone ahead with without the direct approval of the majority of the country.

    It’s all very well pointing out what’s wrong, but to get the majority voting to leave the EU we need a positive message of how it will benefit the UK. We must not hear constant droning about immigration which is a turnoff for many in the country who are otherwise very anti EU. And lastly just remember, last Thursday the Left got a kicking the like of they have never had in a long time. Many people without any fuss or fanfare rejected excess spending, global warming, climate change etc etc. Whilst it will not have satisfied diehards, and does not make me an instant fan of Cameron, we need to ensure now that we present a united front in order to firstly win the referendum, and then to stop the building of HS2 and windmills. This is all achievable without mentioning immigration.

  30. Fanakapan says:

    Whilst you do not get to vote directly for EU Commissioners, the assumption is that the elected government of the UK or any of the other member states, by virtue of having been democratically elected, makes the right choice. Obviously the Commission has tended to be a dumping ground for failed politicians, think Kinnock and the ones that the Frogs put up. But the electorate of the EU States do have recourse to those they elect if they disagree with the choices. Clearly the EU, and its Commissioners do not figure large in the thoughts of the EU electorate except when problems arise, or some group feel unfairly targeted.

    It still remains the case that No EU Commissioner is going to go against the wishes of the government of his own country ? I suspect that national politicians foster the idea of Commissioners being unrepresentative in order that they may be Insulated from decisions which they know that their own electorate may well punish them for, but the fact remains that the PM of the UK can rest easy in the knowledge that the UK Commissioner will not be making policy that runs counter to that of his own government.

    There seems to be an unchallenged assertion by the Anti EU groups that somehow, all the other nation states within that Confederacy, are mostly helpless dupes who are easily over ridden by Gauleiter style officials foisting undemocratic procedures upon them. Whereas the the truth is that All the other members are Independent nations, with histories of which they are likely just as proud as we here in the UK are of our own.

    As for the electorate not understanding the question at the time of the referendum on the AV style of PR a few years ago, it does not bode well when political groupings blame decisions that do not go their way, on the ignorance of the electorate ? Although, that may be too strong a statement with regard to UKIP, for as far as I can recall, that Party did not have a highly visible position on the issue at the time.

    Concerning Mr Farage, it does seem a little odd that the mostly thoughtful folk within UKIP, have arrived at the point where Farage is the Party, and the Party is Farage ?

  31. Tenuc says:

    Truth is the way things are at the moment we will have a referendum on EU membership and vote to stay in. The Scottish Independence Referendum is an example of what will happen. with a massive spend to get the in-camp message across and to use of lies, deception and scare tactics to threaten our rather conservative populace.

    Nigel is a good leader, but needs to nominate a ‘phantom cabinet’ to deal with each area of the referendum campaign debate. Otherwise he will be run ragged whacking moles for the next couple of years and suffer combat fatigue, as I felt he did during the recent election campaign. I feel when Nigel is good, he’s very very good, but when he is bad he is horrid.

    The system and expert people need to be put in place quickly to take as much pressure as possible off Nigel and so allow him always perform at his best. If this can be done, then we may have a chance to bail out before the United States of the European Union becomes a reality..

  32. Fanakapan says:

    Ahh, the Turnip Ghost of the the EU changing from Confederation to Federation 🙂

  33. tallbloke says:

    Fanakapan: Could the government of the day remove Kinnock as commissioner – Yes or No?

    AV style of PR

    AV is not a style of PR – you demonstrate my point about ignorance beautifully, thank you.

    Farage is the Party, and the Party is Farage

    We in UKIP entirely understand the impotent jealous rage people who support other parties feel when Farage wipes the floor with their leaders and their arguments, and appreciate you will try to compensate for this by making silly statements like the one quoted.

  34. oldbrew says:

    General election: analyst Paul Matthews explains…

    Other possible explanations for the surprise election results and the apparent failure of the expert predictions are as follows:

    * This is just a short-term fluctuation – a hiatus, or pause, in the Labour vote – that the models cannot be expected to predict correctly. The experts have much more confidence in their projection for the 2100 election. (HT David)

    * The raw data from the election results is not reliable, and needs to be adjusted by the experts. After suitable UHI and homogeneity adjustments have been applied, the results are in line with the expert predictions, and Ed Miliband is declared the new Prime Minister.

    * More funding and bigger computers are urgently needed, so that we can get more accurate predictions. [or equally inaccurate ones faster – oldbrew]

    * The missing Labour voters are hiding at the bottom of the oceans.

    – See more at: http://www.thegwpf.com/100-expert-consensus-100-wrong/#sthash.w23BiPwA.dpuf

  35. Fanakapan says:

    They probably Could remove a Rogue Commissioner, might require a degree of work, but I would suggest that its difficult to imagine a maverick getting the job in the first place.

    AV most assuredly was some variation of PR, as it was mooted by Clegg. Likely when faced with the ability to get a vote on the issue, the Liberals had to face the fact that there was no easy solution to increasing representation whilst retaining the linkage to a constituency that we enjoy.

    There’s no doubt that Mr Farage is the biggest asset that UKIP has, but if the party does have ambitions to be a player on the national stage, then its going to have to produce many more who are able to perform at least half as well as he. In the absence of such figures then there is the danger that Farage begins to conform to the classical definition of being a demagogue ?

  36. tallbloke says:

    And so we have Kinnock, a man who failed to be elected to high office by the British electorate at home, who now wields enormous power in an unaccountable fashion in the EU, in a post he was never elected to, which heavily influences UK policy.

    I rest my case. Let’s leave.

    Thankfully, we have a talented and indefatigable bloke supported by 4 million people to help us make that happen.

  37. Fanakapan says:

    Seems Carswell thinks the indefatigable bloke ought to rest a while also.

    As for Kinnock, or should I say the Kinnock Dynasty, I dont promote them in any way 🙂

  38. tallbloke says:

    Carswell’s problems now are:

    1) He’s published his thinks in a virulently anti-UKIP Tory rag
    2) Farage said on last nights BBCqt that he’ll recommend UKIP takes no short money but raise cash to run the parliamentary party (Carswell), through donations to party central. Which leaves Carswell needing to go to Farage to ask for the cash to pay his staff.

  39. KnockJohn says:

    Following on from Twitter:

    I was attached to UKIP for various reasons; Climate Change, The EU, Farage’s ruthless directness in the EU parliament etc.. When Farewell defected, I saw him a a man of generally high moral principles and similarly to Farage, as a man who wants to DO something.

    Farage is correct about HIV health tourism, and this has been backed up by NHS personnel that I know personally, including PHD NHS researchers. However, when Farage dropped this bomb during the Leader’s debates, it was clearly a pin-drop moment and SNP, Plaid and Lab were straight in there playing the poor harmless people from abroad card. Thus it seems to me that to lessen the harshness of the message, warmer words need to be found to get the core message across. The populace must face the facts but if the raw facts are too unpalatable, then the messenger will feel the wrath of the msm and hence broad swathes of the UK populace.

    Farewell going to the papers is underhand to say the least, he should have sorted this out face to face with Party Executive.

    You may moderate this post out if you like

  40. tallbloke says:

    Thanks John, and no need to moderate, this is a speakeasy, for people who know how to.

    “to lessen the harshness of the message, warmer words need to be found to get the core message across. The populace must face the facts but if the raw facts are too unpalatable, then the messenger will feel the wrath of the msm and hence broad swathes of the UK populace.”

    The crux of this issue is that part of Farage’s strategy is to wake people up from the MSM led PC miasma they have been lulled into senselessness with. Now, the ‘shock and awful’ tactic of dropping the HIV bomb in the leaders debate might offend the sensibilities of the bien pensant Islington set, and even well brought up ex-tory MPs, but there are plenty of people out here roaring Farage on in his mission.

    Successive Lab and Tory govts have been ramming blatant falshood and iniquity down our throats for so many years and denying their obvious felony via a compliant media for so long, you have to wonder if the aim is to break the people’s hope and spirit, so thy can get away with the final coup de grace of abolishing their country.

    We’re not going to let it happen.

    We’re going to kick seven shades of shit out of them. Metaphorically speaking of course.

  41. KnockJohn says:

    I agree with everything you say. The only trouble is that there are a lot of Sun readers out there and thinking outside of the msm is not something that a large proportion of the UK have learned. Too many of our freedoms have already been eroded and the EU seems to march on ever and ever larger in the everyday lives of the UK subjects.

    I wish I knew the way to wake people out of their slavish belief in everything the BBC chooses to set before them, but I don’t. However, what I do know is that to become a popular party, the message (or in reality the manner of the message) needs to strike a chord with the people who will vote for the party.

    I do believe strongly in the facts of the UKIP party message, but have friends who still find it difficult to fathom how I would “vote for a racist” party. Especially as they know I am not racist myself. This is the mountain that the party has to climb. A mountain manufactured by the msm just as much as a great deal of the UKIP schisms are fabricated or exaggerated today.

  42. tallbloke says:

    For me it comes down to this: Even though Farage has pushed me to the limit of my comfort zone with some of his headline grabbing edgy statements, I still trust him to have good judgement on how to maximise the number of people who he can wake up in time for the EU referendum, because:

    When a poll was conducted on peoples reaction to the HIV bomb, more than half the population said they agreed with him.

    He then received letters from UK national HIV patients saying how they were having trouble getting treatment. He also heard from health professionals about the funding issues with cancer drugs.

    He was right.

    Now, th media can try to say he was wrong, but the more they do that, the more the public see through them. It’s only matter of time until the MSM hegemony folds. I notice the FT has started giving away free articles.

    Keep the faith, we’re winning.

  43. KnockJohn says:

    Once again, I agree.

    I truly hope that UKIP will come through this week’s msm shenanigans unscathed or even stronger than before. Last week I was one of only 1006 in my constituency of West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine who voted UKIP but I voted that way as UKIP is the party who’s moral compass and factual message agrees with my own. It would be a great loss if the divisions that the msm is manufacturing or exaggerating would find a hold in party members and thus break-up or weaken the Party.

    The msm/government have previous in this, turning valid protests violent in order to remove their voice – as they did with Poll Tax, Student Fees and many others. Or indeed publishing false “Facts” as they did I. the 1960s and 1980s regarding offshore radio and then of course there’s Climate Change. They are skilled manipulators who only serve their own agenda.

    Anyway, Roger, I applaud you for all you do in UKIP, and believe me I have considered standing myself, but have yet to act, or seek out my appropriateness for the party, perhaps in the next 5 years. It is late now thus I must retire to bed as I realize that I am rambling a little too much.



  44. Richard111 says:

    Seems like the UKIP vote disturbed many politicians currently in office and has aroused the ambitions of others seeking high office. Such is human nature.

  45. stewgreen says:

    Roger A Qn, How many seats were lost due to the rightwing vote being split ?
    … Before the election I heard stories of how UKIP would cause the rightwing vote to be split and enable Labour to win seats, this did happen..but I have seen no news stories analysing this .only the usual stories seeking to smear UKIP.

  46. M Simon says:

    Cancer drugs?

    Spain and Israel are investigating cannabis. There is rather a lot of evidence from animal trials and petri dishes. There is considerable anecdotal evidence.

  47. tallbloke says:

    Patrick ‘O’ Flynn has stood down as economics spokesman:

    “I would like to express to colleagues my sincere regret at going public with my frustrations about the turn of events following polling day. And more than that, I would like to apologise directly to Nigel for the phrase ‘snarling, thin-skinned and aggressive’. This was a fragment of a wider passage about perceptions and is not what I think of him. Nonetheless, I should have known better than anyone what use would be made of phrases that were both unfair and unkind.

    “I am proud of what we achieved in the general election and am only sorry to have succumbed, as Roger (Helmer) put it with such impressive understatement, to public remarks that were ‘unhelpful’. I think it appropriate to stand down as economic spokesman, which I have done. I hope in the months ahead to be of use to the great campaign to persuade the British people to leave the EU, which is after all what brought me into politics in the first place.”

    Very honourable and I’m sure his talents won’t go to waste in future.