Chinese Company To Build Swansea Tidal Lagoon Barred By World Bank For Fraud

Posted: June 7, 2015 by oldbrew in Big Green, waves
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All hail the Great Wall of Swansea! What could possibly go wrong?

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-32993437

I reported back in February on plans for a tidal lagoon in Swansea Bay. Evidently the plans are moving closer to fruition.

The BBC report:

A £300m deal to build the six-mile wall for the world’s first tidal lagoon power plant in Swansea Bay has been awarded to a company from China.

China Harbour Engineering Company will open a base in the UK and spend half of the contract’s value on a British workforce, partners and supply chain.

Prime Minister David Cameron said the deal was “win-win” for both countries.

About 1,850 construction jobs could be created by the £1bn lagoon project, which could operate from 2018.

Mark Shorrock, chief executive of Tidal Lagoon Power, said: “I have worked in China, speak Chinese and have huge esteem for China’s delivery capability and ability to deliver projects to time and budget.”

The two firms could also work…

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  1. oldbrew says:

    Project info: http://www.tidallagoonswanseabay.com/the-project/see-the-lagoon/56/

    More intermittent power [see ‘holding period’]:

  2. Causes climate by altering the length of day.

  3. ivan says:

    Did they run this idea past a real engineer, because they are not going to get anywhere like the power they think they will?

    For a start you can forget about getting any useful power a couple of hours either side of slack water (the height difference on either side of the wall isn’t enough to turn the turbines).

    The only practical way of generating useful power is to have the turbine tunnels closed off except for an hour at high tide (when the height difference is greatest) and the same at low tide for the same reason. And even then as the height difference approaches equal the pour output will taper off so they might get 4 hours of useful power out of every 24 hours – this has to be a subsidy farm just like windmills and solar panels.

    The obvious test for any of these con jobs is that they must run for the first 5 years using their own money and if they can do that they have proved they work and don’t need any subsidies anyway.

  4. oldbrew says:

    The New York river project found ‘problems with turbine blade degradation’ but thinks its latest design is going to solve those. Time will tell as usual.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdant_Power#RITE_Project

  5. Richard111 says:

    There are also tidal variations termed spring tides and neap tides. They won’t mind spring tides but the neap tides could be a problem and they last for several days.

  6. oldbrew says:

    ‘Prime Minister David Cameron is urging a global crackdown on the “cancer” of corruption in the wake of Fifa bribery allegations.
    He will use the G7 summit in Germany to call for an international effort to clean up governments and business.
    And he will condemn the international “taboo” on pointing the finger at corrupt institutions.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33025225

    Does that include China? We should be told😎

  7. M Simon says:

    It produces high voltage electricity which is proven to kill people.

    How is that? Perfectly Green.

  8. A C Osborn says:

    I live in Swansea, can you imagine anyone who lives here voting for this crap if the residents had to pay the £168/KW/h for it’s output and had to take it instead of from the Grid?

  9. oldbrew says:

    This is just the start. The proposed Cardiff lagoon would be seven times bigger, and several others are planned:

    ‘As well as Swansea, the proposed lagoon sites are Cardiff, Newport, and Colwyn Bay in Wales; Bridgwater in Somerset; and West Cumbria.

    Each will require engineering on a grand scale. In Swansea, the sea wall to contain the new lagoon will stretch more than five miles and reach more than two miles out to sea.

    The Cardiff lagoon could include up to 90 turbines set in a 14-mile (22km) breakwater around Cardiff Bay and could generate power for about 14 hours each day.

    A planning application for the project is expected in 2017.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31682529

  10. TerryS says:

    Mark Shorrock, chief executive of Tidal Lagoon Power was/is a director of the following companies:

    14, 15, 16, KENNINGTON OVAL LIMITED Active
    BLUE ENERGY (WESTMILL FARM) LIMITED Voluntary Liquidation
    CHURCHTOWN FARM SOLAR LIMITED Active
    CHYNOWETH SOLAR LIMITED Non trading
    DEAN QUARRY MINERAL RIGHTS LIMITED Active
    EAST LANGFORD SOLAR LIMITED Active
    HELIODYNAMICS LTD In Liquidation
    INAZIN LIMITED Active
    INAZIN POWER LIMITED Active
    INAZIN SOLAR LIMITED Non trading
    INAZIN TIDAL LIMITED Company is dissolved
    INAZIN WIND LIMITED Non trading
    KERNICK AND TRETHOSA SOLAR LIMITED Active
    LET IT RIDE U.K. LIMITED Company is dissolved
    LIVING SUSTAINABILITY LTD Company is dissolved
    LIVING VILLAGES HOLDINGS LIMITED Company is dissolved
    LOW CARBON ACCELERATOR LIMITED Company is dissolved
    LOW CARBON BUILDING PRODUCTS LIMITED Company is dissolved
    LOW CARBON GROUP LIMITED Active
    LOW CARBON INITIATIVE LLP Company is dissolved
    LOW CARBON INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT LLP Company is dissolved
    LOW CARBON INVESTORS (UK) LTD Active
    LOW CARBON SEARCH LIMITED Company is dissolved
    LOW CARBON SOLAR PROJECTS LIMITED Non trading
    LOW CARBON SOLAR VENTURES LLP Company is dissolved
    LOW CARBON TIDAL LIMITED In Liquidation
    MANOR FARM SOLAR LIMITED Active
    MONKEYFACE UK LIMITED Company is dissolved
    NATURAL INSULATION LIMITED Active
    OLD STREET PARTNERS LIMITED Company is dissolved
    OLD STREET PRODUCTIONS LIMITED Company is dissolved
    PARK FARM SOLAR LIMITED Active
    PROVEN ENERGY LIMITED Company is dissolved
    ROCKET POST LTD Company is dissolved
    ROCKET POST LTD Company is dissolved
    SHIRE OAK ENERGY LIMITED Active
    SHIRE OAK PUMPED STORAGE (BLACKPOOL) LTD Active
    SHIRE OAK PUMPED STORAGE (GOONBARROW) LTD Active
    SHIRE OAK PUMPED STORAGE (LLANDDULAS) LTD Active
    SOLAR OPPORTUNITIES PLC Company is dissolved
    SP FILMS LIMITED Company is dissolved
    TABLOID TV LIMITED Company is dissolved
    TIDAL LAGOON (BRIDGWATER BAY) LIMITED Active
    TIDAL LAGOON (CARDIFF) LIMITED Newly Incorporated Director
    TIDAL LAGOON (COLWYN BAY) PLC Non trading
    TIDAL LAGOON (NEWPORT) LIMITED Newly Incorporated Director
    TIDAL LAGOON PLC Active – Newly Incorporated
    TIDAL LAGOON POWER LIMITED Active
    TIDAL LAGOON (SWANSEA BAY) PLC Active
    TIDAL LAGOON (WEST CUMBRIA) PLC Active
    TRENOUTH SOLAR FARM LIMITED Active
    ULTIMATE PHYSIOTHERAPY LIMITED Company is dissolved
    ULTIMATE PICTURES LTD Company is dissolved
    ULTIMATE PICTURES LTD Company is dissolved
    ULTIMATE PICTURES UK LTD Company is dissolved
    ULTIMATE PICTURES UK LTD Company is dissolved
    ULTIMATE PRINTS AND ADVERTISING LIMITED Company is dissolved
    UP UK CASANOVA LTD Company is dissolved
    UP UK CASANOVA LTD Company is dissolved
    UP UK (GH) LIMITED Company is dissolved
    UP UK (GH) LIMITED Company is dissolved
    WANAGEESKA LIMITED Active
    WESTMILL SOLAR FARM ENERGY LIMITED Non trading

    I wonder how much the various companies have had in government grants over the years.

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    @Oldbrew:

    14 hours per day?

    2 tides x 2 phases (in and out) gives 4 pulses of power per day.

    14 ÷ 4 = 3.5 hours.

    So 4 times per day there will be a synchronized surge of power from tide systems. Each a bit over 3 hours long. Separated by 2.x hour of dead supply.

    Man that is going to drive some load following supplier crazy…

  12. Richard111 says:

    I think this is a more practical and economical method for producing tidal power…

    http://www.tidalenergyltd.com/?page_id=1373

  13. oldbrew says:

    EM Smith: AFAIK the idea is that once several tidal schemes are in place there will be overlap in the tide times, i.e. when one scheme is ‘idling’ another one (or more) will be active.

    Whether that works in practice is another question. They will also be trying to factor in the intermittent wind power so busy times ahead for power grid managers😉

  14. oldbrew says:

    @ Richard111

    The Swansea system also uses turbines, not sure what the key differences are [re your link].
    http://www.tidallagoonswanseabay.com/the-project/turbine-technology/53/

  15. Richard111 says:

    OB, main difference is no foundations or sea walls required. No visual impact. Units are placed at depths that do not interfere with shipping. Trawl fishing is out of course. The turbine blades present no danger to sea life, porpoises play around the blades until they get bored with it. Units can be lifted and returned to dock for maintenance. Limited sites are main problem to allow smooth power handover between sites.
    Lots of info on the link. BTW it’s not that I approve the development, it’s simply the better choice financially. As a pensioner I must keep an eye on expenses.

  16. oldbrew says:

    Richard: from what I remember reading, those types of turbine are best suited to tidal narrows e.g. certain river estuaries and small channels between two bodies of land where the current is forced to flow faster than usual by the restricted channel.

  17. ivan says:

    @ E.M.Smith,

    There will be no surge of power. It will follow a bell curve with the peak being halfway between the height difference on either side of the barrier.

    That being said you can reduce your 3 hours to about one of actual useful power. When will they learn that this sort of thing might look good on paper but they never work out in practice.

    @ OB,

    No matter how they slice and dice it there will never be any useful continuous power from such schemes, just as there is no continuous useful power from windmills.

  18. oldbrew says:

    La Rance in France and Sihwa Lake in S.Korea seem to be the only existing large-scale equivalents.

    http://www.wyretidalenergy.com/tidal-barrage/la-rance-barrage

  19. Richard111 says:

    That La Rance barrage report reads like a dream but I have many questions. Just one for now… at high tide they use the turbines as PUMPS to raise the water level in the lagoon. Where did that power come from?

  20. oldbrew says:

    R111: ‘Where did that power come from?’

    At a guess they’re using cheaper off-peak electricity where possible to generate extra power later when the water is released. Places like Dinorwig (pumped-storage hydroelectric) in north Wales also use off-peak electricity.

    ‘Although it uses more electricity to pump the water up than it generates on the way down, pumping is generally done at periods of low demand, when the energy is cheaper to consume.’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station#Operation

  21. ivan says:

    The La Rance barrage appears to be included under pumped in the http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/ display.

    OB, you are correct in assuming that the pumping is using the off-peak power because it allows the nuclear stations to run at almost constant output and it also helps meet short time power demands like the UK Dinorwig pumped hydro station. At least that is the information I got from EDF at one of their promotional days in Prada here in the south of the country (they were trying to promote windmills in our mountains but that was squashed).

  22. Richard111 says:

    Thanks OB, suspected as much. But there, once again, is a claim to obtain ‘free energy’ by pumping water at high tide to increase the level in the storage pool.
    Should start a protest that us plebs are being denied free energy.🙂

  23. oldbrew says:

    The times of day when off-peak electricity is available could change radically with the advent of smart meters e.g. Ontario has off-peak, on-peak and mid-peak (called ‘time of use’ or TOU tariffs).
    http://www.opuc.on.ca/SmartMetering.aspx