Ed Hoskins: An ex-pat’s view on the EU and the prospect of #Brexit

Posted: April 22, 2016 by tallbloke in EU Referendum, Politics, solar system dynamics


CJDn01bXAAAH8xhEd Hoskins writes:

I am an ex-pat in France. In spite of the mess its likely to cause me directly I am 100% for Brexit.

The EU has far exceeded the mandate I and many others throughout the UK and Europe gave it from 1975 onwards.

The crazy thing is that the “Common Market” that was sold to the unwitting people of Europe in 1975 was all that needed to maintain peace in Europe.  The European peoples were duped because the real unifying intent of the EU project was never disclosed.

It is overweening and vain political ambition of “ever closer union” that has destroyed that the laudable aim of a real “Common Market”.

The EU is bound to collapse under the weight of its undemocratic anachronisms within 20 years or less.  Some of the EU ‘s major failures include:

  • its currency experiment, the Euro, has failed because of the inconsistent quality of the economies that have been co-opted into it, leading to severe youth unemployment and economic disaster in its Southern Nations
  • its uncontrolled borders, internal and external are unable to control malign influences.
  • overregulation in all sectors of the economy with major burdens on business whether they have any trade with the EU or not.
  • an overarching and unaccountable legal system undermining established National legislatures
  • its fatuous energy policies are destroying the economies of its participant Nations.
  • appallingly naïve and dangerous foreign policy decisions such as with the Ukraine .
  • etc.

There is now huge democratic dissatisfaction within the EU nations and its escalating.  Referenda in France, the Netherlands and Ireland, just ignored.  The Dutch and the Finnish people have just defied Brussels.  25% of the French voted for Marine le Pen in the first round of their recent elections this year. The list of the disaffected goes on.

It seems that whenever the people are given a chance to oppose Brussels they take it.  I trust it will be the same in the UK in June.

As even Gorbachov himself has said, “the EU has gotten just as undemocratic as the old USSR”.

You can only defy democracy and keep the cork in the bottle for only so long.  In the end  the people will revolt.

The fact that there is a referendum in the UK, the second largest economy in the EU, means that the questions are being asked ever louder right across the Europe.  Whatever the outcome just asking the question in the UK casts real doubt on the European project.

If The EU continues for the longer term, its demise could even turn violent.

If they achieve Brexit the Brits will do the all the PEOPLE of Europe an huge favour. This will put down a marker that will accelerate the demise of the EU and show the way.

Brexit could advance the collapse of the house of cards that is the EU, so it might only take 5 years.  Cutting the loss quickly will be much less painful.

As the Confucian curse says, “May you live in interesting times”.

Keep up the good work        ED

Comments
  1. Stephen Richards says:

    Likewise, I live in France and support Brexit. I have been a town councillor and still maintain regular contact with my mairie to help them with problematic foreigners.(mostly Brits)
    The french, locally, have been caught by the EU scam of ever closer ties in spite of my warning years ago. Recently our maire wrote a letter in our town magazine saying how sorry he was that he had not seen the EU problems coming (and incidentally the windmills about which I also warned them). The mairie had lost most of it’s power and that power had been moved up the chain to the community council (communauté de commune). That process will continue until all power rests with a regional council, the president of which will be represented in the EU parliament. France will have 13 such presidents, Britain rather less. You will be out voted by france alone on every issue. The European parliaments will have their powers much reduced, like the mairies, and power and control will be taken back to brussels. The EU will have the power to order EU wide use of the euro, to drive on the right, to toll all roads, to forbid all fossil fuelled driven vehicles in cities. These are proposals already on the table.

    The ever closer ties aspect of the EU was never part of anyone’s voting in Europe and that’s why I believe it will collapse also in about 10 years. Democracy and freedom always wins. It takes time but it does win. There are many examples. Perhaps this is why the politicians want an EU army, to suppress their citizens.

    BREXIT is a defining moment in history for the EU and more so for the british. If you vote leave you can be sure that the EU will offer a new negotiation, that’s their mode d’emploi. Cameron will step up to continue the negotiation and fail yet again to grasp the nettle and leave.

    From afar the british look cowardly and afraid, weak, and the EU and Cameron are using that against you. They will win the fight, you will vote remain but that will not be the end. The may elections will give you a better idea where you are going but turmoil lies ahead, that’s for sure.

    An IN vote will cause the euro and the £ to rise against the dollar.Big banks, assurers, greens, environmental criminals will all rejoice and rub hands. The only losers in this will be the people of Britain.

    Au file du jour, as we say, states, cos that’s what you are, will take back power and I believe the british will eventually gather enough courage to dissolve their membership but it will not be until all the existing leaders, press owners, BBC licence have all departed.

    Good luck to everyone in Britain for the future.

  2. Fanakapan says:

    Remarkable is it not that so many of those who will effectively have a second bite at the cherry should the vote be for Out, are the most vociferous at campaigning for Brexit ?

    Farage, has a German wife, so will not be disadvantaged in any way should freedom of movement be compromised.

    Nuttall, the same but with a Spanish wife.

    Portillo, another fellow who thinks we ought to be out, but holds dual Spanish/British papers.

    Then there would be Ed Hoskins, who likely would be grandfathered into being able to remain as an expat in France in the event of an out vote.

    It seems strange that people who stand to lose nothing are trying to persuade others to make a decision that ‘Could’ result in a loss of movement rights ?

  3. The choice is obvious to anyone with an ounce of commonsense. The EU is undemocratic, corrupt, anti-British and is run by unelected and incompetent commissioners (or commissars as they were known in the USSR). The UK is capable of running its own affairs as an independent and sovereign nation. All we need are much better leaders than the current lot of elitist and incompetent PPEs like Cameron and Osborne and……..

  4. Mjw says:

    You could have had unified peace in Europe 75 years ago, all Britain had to do was roll over.

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    From the Yank side of the pond, from one who could get a British citizenship by applying (parent a Brit), th EU looks to me like an attempt to recreate the Holy Roman Empire with a Germanic lead… Europe has always loved its empires…

    They usually work much better for the aristocracy than the serfs… until the serfs decide to end it… One wonders if the current Brits remember the Magna Carta….

    If this exit doesn’t work, the next attempt will be much more “energetic”…

  6. Stephen Richards says:

    Fanakapan says:

    April 22, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    Your ignorance and stupidity is showing. We have plenty to lose. Possibly everything we own. Your shallowness, lack of knowledge and poor understanding of how the EU works is astonishing for someone who possibly lives within it’s environs, so, maybe you don’t.

    Hint: We all know you are stupid, why open your mouth and confirm it?

  7. Paul Vaughan says:

    “[…] Britain’s looming June 23 referendum about whether to stay in the 28-nation European Union has strained the “special relationship,” with several senior U.K. politicians bluntly telling the president to butt out of Britain’s debate. They have branded Obama “anti-British” and “unsuccessful” and accused him of meddling […] Cameron, who is meeting Obama for talks Friday at 10 Downing St., is eager for the president’s intervention. Cameron is leading the campaign to stay in the EU, but faces opposition from within his own Conservative government and widespread skepticism among voters about the benefits of membership in the bureaucratic Brussels-based behemoth that is the EU. […] Nigel Farage, leader of the anti-immigrant U.K. Independence Party, called Obama “the most anti-British American president there has ever been.” […] London’s Conservative mayor, Boris Johnson — born in New York and resolutely pro-American — has accused Obama of hypocrisy for urging Britain to give up some of its sovereignty to a powerful multinational body. “I just think it’s paradoxical that the United States, which wouldn’t dream of allowing the slightest infringement of its own sovereignty, should be lecturing other countries about the need to enmesh themselves ever deeper in a federal superstate,” Johnson said Tuesday.

  8. […] posted and slightly adapted with the permission of the blog owner Rog Tattersall, where this article was published […]

  9. ivan says:

    Fanakapan says:
    April 22, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    It seems strange that people who stand to lose nothing are trying to persuade others to make a decision that ‘Could’ result in a loss of movement rights ?

    You must be very young to say that. Way back in the days before the EC I was travelling around Europe with out problems, likewise most of the world as well. Why should that ability change if the UK leaves the EU? Will passports suddenly stop working (yes we might have to change them to get the EU off the front). We might have to go back to what we did to live here (France) before the UK joined the EC but I very much doubt there would be any great changes on that front.

    The big change would be in the UK, assuming getting out of the EU also brought a change in attitude and government with all three of the old partied (they all thing and act the same) being thrown out and replaced by engineers and people of vision.

  10. Fanakapan says:

    Stephen Richards,

    So whats happened to moderate debate ? Personally I keep my mouth frothing for other forums, and have always regarded this place as requiring politeness ??

    You seem to have a low tolerance for opposing views. as well as an inability to promote your own opinion in the face of those that differ ?

  11. Fanakapan says:

    Ivan,

    I’m well old enough to remember travelling around Europe in the 70’s, and the technical requirement, hardly enforced then in Germany, and other places, that when staying outside of hotel or BAOR (Germany) accommodation, one might need to register with the local cop shop.

    My point is not that European travel will become overwhelmingly difficult, but that the right to be employed, or settle in Europe without question could disappear. Obviously such things will still be possible, but will require a lot more hoop jumping ?

    Then there would be the spouse element. At this time a UK citizen who wishes to marry a person who is not one of either UK, or EU citizenship, has to jump through some rather large hoops. There must be the potential, that in the event of an Out vote, the EU exception would go the same way as that for spouses from the rest of the world ?

    May not sound like much in the way of loss, but these topics do non the less represent tangible benefits that the EU offers, which as pointed out above, it seems many of those promoting Brexit stand not to lose.

  12. E.M.Smith says:

    So Fanakapan’s argument is now roughly ~’You might have different bureaucracy and annoying paperwork’….

    I’d take freedom from empire, please…

  13. Fanakapan says:

    E.M.Smith.

    No, Fanakapans argument is that within the EU, one has the right to travel or settle without let or hindrance.

    Presumably Brexit would mean that travel and settlement in the EU would then be on the same basis as say UK citizens travelling to the USA, ie, limited to 3 months on visa waiver, or 6 months if one chooses to pursue the rigmarole of visiting the embassy and getting a visa. And with settlement rights being difficult to say the least.

    Were that to be the case, then it would represent a loss to any who wished to travel in Europe on the same basis that you might pass from one US Sate to another ?

  14. Stephen Richards says:

    Fanakapan says:

    April 23, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    Don’t presume. Search for the answer and make the statement. Travel and working in Europe has always been relatively easy. You want civil don’t accuse people of having nothing to loose and voting accordingly.
    When I came to france we had to apply for a resident permit. You only got it if you could conclusively prove that you were able to support yourself.
    That’s how it should be and that’s how it should have remained.

    Secondly, the EU IS BEING FORMED BY STEALTH AND BY A GROUP OF POILITICIANS who failed in their own countries and were passed onto the EU to get rid of them. KINNOCKS.

    I don’t want them ruining the lives of people in the UK as they are doing in France and the rest of the EU.

    Lastly, the EU is not EUROPE, Remember that when you vote.

  15. Fanakapan says:

    Stephen Richards,

    I can broadly agree with what you say. There’s no doubt that freedom of movement combined with indigent groups such as the Roma presents a recipe for problems.

    As for having nothing to lose, obviously you have potentially much to lose, but lets remember here that the current consensus seems to be, that in the event of an Out vote, those who have settled in the EU would be given leave to remain. That would seem to be the most obvious outcome. And if you have been over there since before the Single Market being adopted, then I’d have to think you are safe.

    There is the question as to what will actually be the result if the vote is for Out ? No doubt many are imagining that Out means Out, but its more likely that the UK would adopt the same deal as that currently enjoyed by Switzerland and Norway ? Were that to be the case, then its a given that Britain would HAVE to accept freedom of movement in order to have complete access to the Single Market. That in its turn could become problematical as many of those who will be voting Out will be doing so, not on the basis of a perceived democratic deficit, but on the perception of too many (insert EasternEuropean of choice here) flooding in ?

    As for your failed politician argument, I agree. But, there will never be politics without an army of duds who have either been rejected at the ballot box, or gotten themselves into trouble and thereby required a ‘Posting’. Indeed, as I have posted elsewhere here, withdrawal could well result in a sudden repatriation of dud politicians. and lets not kid ourselves, they’ll all be found sinecures.

    It seems quite a few here have a vision that voting to get out of the EU will be a new broom that sweeps out the existing political stables, and signals a new era of politics where public and national interest will come to the fore. Its never going to happen, even Cromwell could not get a parliament together that was not factional and self serving, and he tried to do so at the point of a sword. Politics is power, and as we know, all power tends to corrupt.

    Whilst political union may well be the fond vision of some in the EU, its probably safe to predict that the EU will not go from confederation to federation within the lives of even our children.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    @Fanakapan:

    To move to the USA longer term, apply for and get a work permit (green card), a student visa, an H1b visa, a… well, you get the idea. Or just do what 12 to 20 million others have done, come in on a tourist visa and just not leave, or just come ashore or overland and stay.

    Heck, we don’t even deport serial criminal illegals…

    Again, just harder paperwork (or simply ignoring the paperwork…)

    How your attempted USA analogy applies to the EU is at best unclear.

  17. Fanakapan says:

    E.M.Smith,

    The USA is a Federation of 50 States, and there is no, and can be no hindrance to movement between those States. How unclear is that ?

    As for settlement in the USA, let me assure you from experience, that legally getting a Green Card, even when in the First Preference category, is a lengthy and potentially frustrating affair. Should one have no family connection with America, then its a process thats best forgotten.

    Which of course leads to the situation you highlight, that illegal settlement in the USA is extraordinarily easy, and if you’re white and English is ones first language, then the chances of being caught out are virtually zero.

    But of course, you’d have to forget ever leaving and coming back to the USA (see Col Tom Parker), or retaining any family or business connection outside of the US. So what you have is a system that offers advantage to the indigent who can carry their lives in a Tesco Golliwog Bag, and disadvantages any that may bring productive capacity.

    So no, its not just harder paperwork, the immigration system of the USA is a totally broken regime that sucks in vast numbers of those without a pot, whilst dissuading those who might have something to offer.

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