Trump calls for renegotiation of Paris climate deal 

Posted: May 18, 2016 by oldbrew in climate, Politics
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Climate crisis? [credit: BBC]

Climate crisis? [credit: BBC]


Cue wailing and gnashing of teeth in climate alarm circles, and double it if Trump becomes US president. The Hill reports on the latest US election controversy.

Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump on Tuesday said he would look to renegotiate the landmark United Nations climate change deal if he’s elected president this year. 

The deal, reached in Paris in December and signed by the United States last month, treats the U.S. unfairly compared to other countries, he told Reuters in a wide-ranging interview. 

Under the deal, the United States and more than 170 other countries agreed to reduce their climate change-causing greenhouse gas emissions. The deal is the first time the international community has committed, together, to reduce emissions and confront climate change. 

It’s been hailed as a major moment in the climate change fight, and it’s a legacy item for President Obama, who pushed international negotiators to reach a deal on emissions. Under the agreement, the United States committed to cutting its emissions by 26 percent to 28 percent, from 2005 levels, by 2025.

Republicans, though, have criticized the pact, since growing economies like India and China have agreed only to slow the rate of growth in their emissions, not reduce them in real terms. They argue that puts the U.S. at a financial disadvantage, that cutting emissions here will hurt economic growth even as it accelerates in other countries. 

Trump said in December he would have skipped the climate conference in Paris, and he has said he doesn’t believe the science behind climate change.

Source: Trump calls for renegotiation of Paris climate deal | TheHill

Comments
  1. I found Trump/s desire for a “renegotiation” of the “deal” worrisome, not cause for relief among “skeptics” and “deniers”. I would denounce the “deal” utterly and as President I would have nothing to do with any of Obama’s ignorant “legacies”, especially this one, founded upon the utter failure of climate science and scientists over the last 50 years. For me, this news raises the worry that Trump will try to “negotiate” at every point of confrontation; while that might be a decent way to make the country work during his term in office (if any), it would just give the deluded–scientists especially–that much more time to strut upon the stage of public discourse, as if their ideas had any bearing on reality, much less on the right way to a better future.

  2. Shoshin says:

    I wish people would stop playing into the propaganda of this whole thing and stop using the term climate change. Climate change has a different meaning from what the Alarmists have corrupted and misused it for.

    Call it Man made Global warming. That’s what it is. This then forces the Alarmists to quantify a difference between natural global temperature changes and man made changes.

    Using the term “climate change” in the Alarmist context is meaningless and misleading.

  3. Paul Vaughan says:

    What I’m still waiting to find out
    (I’ve asked but so far received no answer):

    Does Trump acknowledge sun-climate truth:
    https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2016/02/02/paul-vaughan-noaa-corruption-of-sst-records/

    OR is Trump just another of the morons who buy the false spatial and geometric assumptions underpinning the crooked narratives darkly pushed by belief-policing wuwt infiltraitors?

    Someone (with the right connections, access, or whatever) please make it a priority to find out.

  4. markstoval says:

    It is going to be very difficult for Mr. Trump to win in the USA. In our corporatist system (Benito Mussolini’s term for fascism) we have the main stream media, the elites in both parties, the elites in the military-industrial complex, and the elites in both political parties aligned against him. He may beat them all; but that will be against all odds.

    Remember that the elections in the USA are not necessarily fair ones where election fraud is unheard of. Recall that the media can do a last minute smear campaign and the smear may well unwind AFTER the election is over when it no longer matters.

    I hope I am wrong, but I am afraid it will be a cold day in hell when a living Donald Trump takes the oath of office as president of the Empire.

  5. pyromancer76 says:

    I believe you will be seeing a tsunami vote (monster vote) for Donald Trump. Too many Americans from all walks of life, every ethnic group, are fed up with globalists and communists. This monster vote will swamp the voter fraud, which has increased exponentially under Obama.

  6. oldbrew says:

    Trump will probably just want to avoid chucking money down the drain, if he does get elected.

  7. manicbeancounter says:

    The US proposals (which are unlikely to pass through a Congress with Republican majorities) are a soft target. The US will reduce emissions without policy due to
    (a) the switch from coal to gas (Britain did this in the 1970s and 1980s)
    (b) market-driven technological improvements.
    The emerging economies have “agreed” to things that will happen anyway without policy. China’s emissions will peak sometime soon as the economy matures, just as in much of Europe emissions peaked around 1980. Other countries, like India, have committed to have emissions grow slower than GDP. This will happen anyway. For instance in 1990-2012 China’s average GDP growth was 10.3%, CO2 emissions growth 6.1%.
    But the Agreement is to reduce global emissions. The UNIPCC, UNFCCC & the IEA all agree that global emissions need to start falling rapidly in the last next few years to stop the fictional 2C of warming.
    The actual forecasts for emissions all show that emissions will keep on increasing until beyond 2040. The reason is fairly simple. The Non-OECD countries with 5/6 of the global population are increasing their emissions. US and EU emissions policies will become an increasing irrelevance.
    https://i1.wp.com/www.eia.gov/forecasts/ieo/images/figure_9-4.png?zoom=2

    I explain in fuller detail at
    https://manicbeancounter.com/2016/05/17/co2-emissions-from-energy-production-forecast-to-be-rising-beyond-2040-despite-cop21-paris-agreement/

  8. oldbrew says:

    Countries will find out one way or another there are two basic options:
    1) cripple your economy
    2) don’t cripple your economy

    Tough choice😉

  9. Gail Combs says:

    Trump has bigger fights to fight than the Gore Bull Warming fight Although he did say CAGW was abull feces a year or so ago.

    Unfortunately I have to agree with Mark Stoval. I expect Trump to be dead by 2017 if he does win the election. The Globalist will take him out even if they have to wipe out an entire city to do it.

  10. Paul Vaughan says:

    That’s quite a prediction from Gail Combs.

  11. linneamogren says:

    I knew I liked this guy! At least he’s moving in the right direction! If he can get the deal China got then he’s mostly destroyed the deal.

  12. linneamogren says:

    Why effacing this deal is the best alternative Trump is pragmatic. His biggest issues are illegal immigration, the wall and the massive drug influx into the states. Also renegotiate trade deals. The number one reason to the massive opposition to him exists is due to immigration. Both political parties want the exploitation of cheap labor and a voting block predominantly for the left.

  13. linneamogren says:

    @oldbrew

    Latest polls show Trump defeating Hillary. She’s hated by overwhelming number of Sander supporters who 30-40% said they vote for Trump just on trade deals against Hillary. She’s a nightmare!

  14. oldbrew says:

    “Hillary Clinton is working alongside billionaire Tom Steyer to sow a garden of climate change paranoia. Clinton is scaring young voters into supporting her campaign by leading them to believe that a Republican president will unleash a climate apocalypse.”
    https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2016/05/13/billionaire-green-donor-launches-super-pac-scare-millennial-voters/

    Which nightmare will the US end up with:/

  15. pyromancer76 says:

    A respectful response to Gail Combs, 5/18/16.

    Trump has allies in many places and look how much strength they have. Look at what he has defeated — with common sense — against billions of dollars of opposing efforts. Trump also supports, by his very being, the scientific method, the search for current truth no matter the outcome, what Tallbloke stands for.

    Remember the Soviet Union that was considered indomitable, until it collapsed? Good model for the Globalists — foundation build on sand (hedge fund debt? stupid solar and windmill boondoggles?) Have faith, and we of all concerned nations can join the fight for common sense over tyranny.

  16. Gail Combs says:

    pyromancer76,

    I am hoping that unlike too many others, Trump has a back-up ‘bomb’ hidden some where so if they do try to take him out all sorts of nasty secrets explode over the internet.

    I have read his books and he had a one sentence comment that gives me hope. He mentioned that the very very wealthy and powerful have used his hotels for years. Also Trump has been planning his possible run for years.

    If he does not have a megaton ‘bomb’ back-up they WILL take him out. Think Congressman McFadden poisoning, the Lindbergh kidnapping, Justice Martin Mahoney’s poisoning ( First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Daly -1969 Mahoney found against a Morgan Bank because bankers were extending credit without consideration – without backing their loans with the money deposited in their banks.) The Andrew Jackson assassination attempt, the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, 69 days into his presidency, the Kennedy assassination….

    When Ron Paul ran against Obama he suddenly quit just after the June 7th Bilderburg Conference despite promising his supporters at the end of May he would go the distance even if he had to run third party. Dan Estulin had previously reported that “… he has received information from sources inside the U.S. intelligence community suggesting that people from the highest levels of government are discussing “eliminating” Rep. Ron Paul because its controlled political system is threatened by Paul’s exploding popularity.”

    Now we find his son is a GLOBALIST!

    The New American: Rand Paul to Obama: “Prioritize” Passage of Trans-Pacific Partnership

    …Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a man whose personal popularity and political fortunes have increased in direct proportion to his spreading of his libertarian-leaning ideals, has now publicly embraced the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), an unprecedented sovereignty surrender masquerading as a multi-national trade pact…..

    Los Angles Times: Rand Paul drops the mic on Donald Trump over China’s participation in trade deal

    Boom.

    That was the implied sound effect Tuesday night as Sen. Rand Paul casually reminded Donald Trump about China’s lack of participation in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the sweeping trade deal among the U.S. and 11 other countries. Trump had been on a tear, railing about how the deal was “a disaster” and saying China was the “No. 1 abuser” of the U.S….
    Paul was the only person who seemed to know the basics of the trade deal, which has returned to the headlines in recent days as the full text of the complex deal was released.

    Rand Paul, IF he had actually read that darn treaty should have known it is very easy to ADD another country and the ‘No China” gambit was the exact same chess move Clinton played to get the World Trade Organization treaty ratified. Then Clinton worked his rump off to get China added a few years later.

    Is Rand really that dumb? Or is he FOR CHINA

    China trade improves economy AND makes fight less likely
    When I was about ten years old, like many conservative middle-class families, our inclination was to resist anything to do with Red China. In that black and white world, you were either for us or against us. Trade with China was thought to be trade with the enemy. A funny thing happened, though, along the way. Many conservatives came to understand a larger truth. As trade began to blossom with China, many conservatives, myself included, came to admit that trade improves our economic well-being AND makes us less likely to fight. The success of trade with China made many conservatives rethink their view of the world. — Rand Paul
    http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Rand_Paul_Free_Trade.htm

    So yeah, it looks like Rand is FOR CHINA.

    The above paragraph is straight out of the Progressive play book on Interdependence one of Al Gore’s favorite issues. SEE: Dale C. Copeland, “Economic Interdependence and War: A Theory of Trade Expectations,” International Security, Vol. 20, no.4 (Spring 1996) for exactly how dangerous Interdependence actually is.

    And I have certainly shown here how dangerous China is to the USA. link and link, and China military buildup not to mention Clinton’s sell out of US military technologies. link

    And that doesn’t even get into the economic damage done to the USA by our current one sided ‘free trade’ agreements.
    2012 – Economic Policy Institute The China toll: Growing U.S. trade deficit with China cost more than 2.7 million jobs between 2001 and 2011, with job losses in every state
    More on USA losing out economically to China:
    http://www.epi.org/?s=china

    So why the heck is Rand promoting the idea of ‘Free Trade’ in general and the USA/China trade in particular is a great for the USA?

    Sure looks like a deal was cut by the Paul family way back in June of 2008.

  17. Gail Combs says:

    Tallbloke please fish my response to pyromancer76 out of moderation. It has a ton of links that I left active.
    [mod] done
    Thanks.

    I sure hope the rest of the people in the UK wake up and get the heck out of the EU before it is too late.. (I have a 100 ac farm if you need a place to go if things get a lot worse.)

  18. Paul Vaughan says:

    I’m only going to judge Trump on 1 criterion.

  19. Gail Combs says:

    Paul V

    This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice. — Donald Trump

    Retweets 2,880

  20. TA says:

    Trump said: “This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop.”

    I think that will be Trump’s focus when it comes to Climate Change: the cost of it all. Everyone’s budget is going to be at risk of being cut. Trump may go over their budgets personally. Don’t be surprised.

    And it won’t just be the science budgets, either. Trump is big into rooting out waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayer money from every department of government.

    Trump will need to do something like this as part of his effort to balance the budget, so budget scrutiny will be high on the priority list. And the usual suspects won’t be able to buy Trump off.

    I think Trump is correct about him leading a movement. A movement of very disaffected Americans of all political parties, who are sick to death of the status quo.

    As someone said, Trump has a lot of forces lined up against him, but so far, his popularity has carried the day, and I think it will continue and grow as people get to know him, and he will be elected president. I certainly hope so. We need BIG changes.

  21. clipe says:

    Something I posted (forget what hic!) seems to have found it’s way into the trash.

  22. Paul Vaughan says:

    Gail, which China are you upset with? The government? The elite? Some other segment?

  23. Gail Combs says:

    Paul V. I do not have any dislike of the Chinese People, I admire their intellegence, art, food and long history of civilization.

    However I am upset with the China that BRIBED Bill Clinton to sellout his county.

    Chasing the Dragon: Clinton’s China Policy (Please at least read this link and note the WEAPONS technology including nuclear transferred to China thanks to Clinton.)

    Do not forget that Clinton was taking China’s money as cash to pay for his campaign ads in 1996. This was seven short years after The Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989, condemned world wide. It was a massive demonstration for democratic reform. The government answered on the nights of June 3 and 4 with troops and tanks, killing thousands to quell a “counter-revolutionary rebellion.”

    …Together with its allies, the United States quickly imposed a series of diplomatic and economic sanctions against China. The details of those sanctions varied from country to country, but in general they involved the suspension of high-level official visits, official development assistance and export credits, and sales of military and police equipment. The relaxation controls on the transfer of advanced technology to China, both by individual governments and by the Coordinating Committee (COCOM), was also postponed. Under pressure from the United States and members of the European Community, the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank agreed to halt lending to China. These official actions were supplemented by the unofficial and spontaneous decisions of private individuals and institutions in Europe, Japan, and the United States to reconsider the desirability of conducting business with China….
    NBR Analysis (Dec 1990)
    China’s Foreign Relations After Tiananmen: Challenges for the U.S.
    Robert S. Ross, Allen S. Whiting and Harry Harding

    So Clinton was dealing with China and moved the country from diplomatic and economic sanctions to most favored nation status before the Tiananmen Square victims finished rotting in their graves.

    And I am also scared of China’s long term hatred of the West especially the UK and the USA.
    Lessons of history: China’s century of humiliation: The repercussions of British opportunism in China during the Opium Wars can be felt in geopolitics even today (Interesting that this has just been yanked off the internet and I had to use the wayback.)

    I am VERY scared of the current leadership hatred of the USA..

    China Picks at the Scab to Keep the Wound Fresh
    By David Archibald
    ….The rise of a few hundred million of China’s population out of poverty has allowed the self-indulgence of worrying about China’s past to be taken up again. China’s century of humiliation is taken to start with the First Opium War in in 1839 and end with the communist takeover in 1949. Of China’s over one thousand museums, at least 150 are dedicated to commemorating the darkest period of China’s century of humiliation: the Japanese invasion from 1931 to 1945. In Shenyang in northeast China, for example, the September 18 Historical Museum was built in the shape of a bullet-holed desk calendar opened to September 18. September 18 is the date in 1931 that the Japanese army, which had been occupying parts of Manchuria since the first Sino-Japanese War, launched a surprise attack on Shenyang and began its full-scale invasion of China. That day is now celebrated as National Humiliation Day.

    The current Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, is the first of the “heirs” to take power. As the son of a communist general who fought the Japanese and the Nationalists, he is a princeling, a member of the new hereditary aristocracy. A passage from an essay by the Australian defense analyst Paul Monk is very telling on the subject of what President Xi intends for Asia’s near future:

    In any case, Xi Jinping, despite his genial smile, good English, and familiarity with the United States, is no reforming liberal. Shortly after assuming the presidency, he took all the members of his politburo with him to the bizarre museum the Party has built in Tiananmen Square – the museum of national humiliation and revival. He pointed out to them the exhibits showing the arrival of the Jesuits via Macao in the sixteenth century and how this had been the beginning of the infiltration and humiliation of China by the West. He pointed out the exhibits showing the Japanese invasions of China and making the unfounded assertion that the Japanese were defeated by the Communist Party with a little help from “good” Nationalist generals. The Americans, he said, then became the enemy. “Against this external enemy,” he told China’s inner group of top leaders, “we must stick together.”

    wwwDOTamericanthinker.com/articles/2014/04/china_picks_at_the_scab_to_keep_the_wound_fresh.html

    I have been watching China for years.

    Note that Trump does NOT want to shut down trade with China, he just wants to see the rape of the USA, aided by Traitors within, stopped.

  24. Gail Combs says:

    From Political reporter for The Guardian. Ben.Jacobs attending NJ trump rally

  25. Paul Vaughan says:

    Gail, an open-minded gift for you from the bright yellow star:
    https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/suggestions-18/comment-page-1/#comment-116728

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