Upcoming TV appearance: #Brexit debate in Leeds

Posted: June 8, 2016 by tallbloke in EU Referendum, solar system dynamics

I’m appearing in my capacity as the Deputy Regional Director for Vote Leave alongside Andrea Jenkyns MP to argue the case for Brexit against Richard Corbett MEP and Leila Taleb, a campaigner for social justice, regional devolution and equality.

It’s a one hour show, with 30 second intros followed by in depth discussion of four main topics which I guess will be:- The economy, migration, democracy and security.

Richard Corbett MEP is a heavyweight EU spin merchant with an authoritarian streak, so I can’t wait to get into a scrap with him over the big issues. Leila Taleb has studied EU law in Germany as well as in Lancaster University, so I’ll be asking her about the legality of Germany’s unilateral EU policy making.

Made in Leeds is a local TV station available on freeview.

  1. Scute says:


    I clicked on the “EU spin merchant” link for a look at Corbett. Have you seen his latest blog post from two days ago, 6th June? It’s a gift!


    “We have surrendered control of football to UEFA and FIFA — a conspiracy of foreigners imposing their diktats on us.

    “It has always been a problem that matches are overseen by unelected referees, clearly biased against us, whom we can’t remove during the match itself. But things are going from bad to worse.”

    The paragraph that follows the above quote sounds like an elaborate metaphor arguing for Brexit. It sounded so much like a shooting in the foot that I thought it had to be a joke. So I clicked on the links and no, it really is about football.

  2. Tim Hammond says:

    Please make sure you nail the Single Market trade lie – we can trade with the single Market without a trade deal, as everybody’s iPads, iPhones, Canon cameras etc etc show. And you can have a decent trade deal as everybody’s Samsungs, Hyundais etc etc show – the UK is twice the size of South Korea and much more important.

    Also the Treasury analysis assumed the completion of the Single Market in services to get its dodgy number (dodgy in so many ways).

    Please don;t let the Remainers get away with the lie they have “won” the economic argument.

  3. A C Osborn says:

    Roger have you seen the Pat Condell Video on YouTube?
    It is a very good piece indeed.

    A must for everybody to view.

  4. A C Osborn says:

    Good luck on the interview, don’t let them brow beat or fluster you.
    Chris Grayling was absolutely superb on Hard Talk last night, but hasn’t got one mention in any of the papers.

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    Ask them about the future of The Westfalian State… IF they say it is time to end it, point out that means the end of Britain. IF they demure or dodge, point out the foundation of the EU is the notion that the nation state, as defined at Westfalia, is obsolete so must end via subjugation to the EU … and the end of Britain… Quote Tony Blair at them…

  6. Gerry, England says:

    The lie is that you can trade with the Single Market without a trade deal. You can’t – plain and simple. Negotiating trade deals can take decades – we have 2 years. Those blessed with intelligence and knowledge know that our quickest way out is via the Norway option since that is the most important thing – to get out. With EEA/EFTA membership comes membership of the Single Market but there is also power to stop free movement of people for a period such as to deal with the numbers that have already arrived. Crucially out of the EU we can also leave the convention on refugees so that economic migrants can be refused entry.

  7. A C Osborn says:

    Gerry, England says:
    Gerry, are we or are we not part of the single market.
    Just where do you think the goods in our shops come from?
    Do you think they all come from the Single Market, or that the shops in the rest of the EU haven’t got the same products in them?
    Have you even bothered to look?
    There must be an aweful lot of countries that have spent years & years working to get trade deals.
    But then again perhaps not, maybe it has something to do with the WTO.

  8. A C Osborn says:

    Roger when is it?

  9. catweazle666 says:

    “The lie is that you can trade with the Single Market without a trade deal. You can’t – plain and simple.”

    I really can’t imagine how you come to that conclusion.

    China seems to manage perfectly well, as do well in excess of 100 other states on the planet.

  10. Tim Hammond says:

    You can’t trade with the Single Market without a trade deal? So all those Apple shops are selling what exactly?

  11. Roger Clague says:

    Best wishes for your TV appearance.

    The main argument for staying in the EU is the prediction that if we leave our trade with the EU will reduce causing loss of jobs and general prosperity

    The Brexiteer’s replies are:

    1. We don’t know what will happen , believe in Britain, all will be well
    2. Even if the economy suffers it is a price worth paying for sovereignty and democracy regained

    I do not have confidence that these arguments. Fortunately I have have found evidence ( from OECD) that trade with the EU will increase if we leave.

    I recommend this


    27. Paradox in goods exports: non-members have been its major beneficiaries page 150

    28. Paradox in services: non-members have been its major beneficiaries page155

    the exports to the EU of both goods and services of a great many non-members have grown faster than those of the UK for the period 2004 -2012


    Compound Annual Growth Rate CAGR for 15 non-EU countries 5.7%
    CAGR for 14 EU countries 3.1%

    Services ( more than $10bn per year in 2012)

    CAGR of the non-members was 5.3 per cent
    of the members was 3.6 per cent.

    This raises the question why is this happening?

    Part of the answer is that the non-EU exporters to the EU get the advantages of the common market regulations and currency without paying the costs of maintaining them.

  12. tallbloke says:

    ACO. 9pm tonight

  13. tallbloke says:

    Gerry: Looka this

  14. Ian Bryant says:

    Good luck Rog.

    The Remainers only want to discuss ‘The Economy’ because they believe that ‘money in pocket’ is the only thing that Joe Public is interested in. The reason they believe this is because that is what Jean Monnet said back in the fifties and so every pro-EU argument/answer is deflected toward economics.

    The Leavers think that Immigration is their best shot by appealing to Joe Public’s nationalism and concerns about housing and social services. Its not the worst argument but it is not a campaign winner either.

    For me the main question is that of Governance and Democracy. Any outfit/gang/club/politburo which can come out with the following statement (From the European Stability Mechanism, Article 35) deserves to be avoided – at any cost:

    [“In the interest of the ESM, the Chairperson of the Board of Governors, Governors, alternate Governors, Directors, alternate Directors, as well as the Managing Director and other staff members shall be immune from legal proceedings with respect to acts performed by them in their official capacity and shall enjoy inviolability in respect of their official papers and documents.”]

    Ask yourself this: Would the EU be allowed to join the EU? The lawmakers were not democratically elected, they are not accountable and we can’t even see what they’re writing or discussing! This is not only undemocratic, it is anti-democratic.

    Let’s take this chance to get out now.

  15. tallbloke says:

    Heh. Here’s the 30 second intro speech I wrote.

    “If the EU applied to join the EU, it would be refused on the grounds that it doesn’t respect basic democracy. It sucks in our money and stifles our ability to exert control over those who govern and tax us.

    David Cameron told parliament on Jan 5th this year: “Of course Britain can succeed outside the EU; we’re a great country”. He was right then, and wrong now to scaremonger the UK electorate.

    We can only regain the freedom to set our own trading relationships with growing world economies by taking back control on June 23.”

    It’s always hard to judge the performance from the hot seat, but I think we did well. Andrea Jenkyns MP was well in command of her facts and figures, and spoke passionately about the unsustainability of current immigration rates. I pointed out that other regions of the world are doing a lot better than the EU and we need unfettered access to their markets in order to thrive. It’ll be on Made in Leeds TV catchup soon. https://www.madeinleeds.tv/player/?playercat=79143

  16. Gerry, England says:

    Obviously knowledge of international trade is completely absent here judging by the comments. You all probably think of tariffs as being the point of international which seriously underlines your ignorance. Non-Tariff Measures or Technical Barriers to Trade are a far bigger problem. The Single Market is a Common Regulatory Area which has removed the TBTs. Outside the Single Market (note I say Single Market and NOT the EU is because they are not the same thing) then Mutual Recognition Agreements can be signed. Guess which countries have these? Too difficult of course so I shall give you a couple of examples – USA, China. Doh! So that’s how the iphones and all the containers full of stuff from China gets here. Now getting very tricky for you – leave the Single Market and the UK has no agreements any more and most of our trade would grind to halt as everything has to be inspected for conformity. I would like to provide more information but I have a life. The easy solution is to suggest that you read Flexcit Chapter 4 and then you have a better understanding of the implications for trade than any MP, media person or official campaigner.

  17. tallbloke says:

    I’m glad Gerry has too busy a life to post here again as it’ll save me having to explain courtesy to the patronising tw@.

    We’ll be able to continue selling our stuff to the EU because it already conforms to the tech specs required by the EU single market.

  18. Anoneumouse says:

  19. catweazle666 says:

    Gerry old chap, you don’t have a clue what you’re wittering about.

    What do you think would happen if your theories are correct (which they aren’t)? If the Europeans block our trade, what will happen to their considerably greater trade with us? Is Merkel going to tell Mercedes Benz, BMW and Volkswagen not to sell us their cars? Is François Hollande going to ban the French farmers from selling us their wine and cheese? Are all those billions of euros’ worth Airbuses on the line at Toulouse awaiting Rolls Royce engines from Derby, wings from BaE Filton and avionics from (AFAIK) Thales in Manchester going to sit there unfinished, condemning Airbus Industrie to endless vastly expensive lawsuits from Quatar, the Emirates and Malaysia for breach of contract? Are three quarters of those Formula One teams going to suddenly give up racing – even Mercedes Benz pay us to build their racing cars.

    Obviously, none of these things are going to happen.

    The United Kingdom is the fourth most powerful military power, the fifth biggest GDP and the sixth biggest industrial exporter on Earth, you seem to think we’re some sort of insignificant banana republic.

    As I say, you really haven’t the first idea, simple as that.

  20. Laurie Wilson says:

    Another aspect – surely this cannot be true –

    Cameron’s Voter Registration “Glitch” Means the EU’s “Court” Will Now Decide on Leave or Remain