Donald Trump comes out as a lukewarmer 

Posted: November 23, 2016 by oldbrew in climate, opinion, Politics

Small believer maybe? [image credit: / CNN]

Small believer maybe? [image credit: / CNN]

That’s the view of the GWPF at least. The New York Post has it as ‘Trump seems to be changing his mind on climate change.’ Another case of watering down the rhetoric?

Donald Trump on Tuesday backed away from his earlier statements that climate change was a “hoax” invented by the Chinese and said there was some connection between the climate and human activity.

“I think there is some connectivity. Some, something. It depends on how much,” Trump told reporters from the New York Times during a meeting at the paper’s Midtown offices.

“Clean air is vitally important,” he said, according to a series of live tweets by Times staffers.

In response to a question, the president-elect also said he was considering whether to withdraw from the Paris agreement on reducing greenhouse gases. “I’m looking at it very closely. I have an open mind to it,” Trump said, while adding that he was also considering “how much it will cost our companies” and affect US competitiveness.

Source: Donald Trump Comes Out As A Lukewarmer | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

  1. oldbrew says:

    “I’m looking at it very closely” – with whose help we may ask.

    News report: Climate-change skeptics must hold Trump’s feet to the fire

    Under pressure from activists, the president-elect could turn pragmatic

  2. Glenn999 says:

    I thought UHI was proof of manmade climate change?

  3. dscott says:

    As with everything regarding Donald Trump, it’s a negotiation. What you are seeing now are trial balloons being floated as to what the US voters will tolerate in back tracking. My suggestion to all US citizens and those of you who are not who want to see an end to the Global Warming Scam is to pop the balloon by using visceral reactions.

  4. michael hart says:

    I never took his comments about China literally. It’s how he talks. I took it more as pointing out how much the “agreements” work so much in China’s favour, as if it could have been invented by them.

    Trump has also said that he thinks global warming is real, but exaggerated, and not worth all the fuss, it it is worth any attention at all. This is the same as my view, and large numbers of other skeptics. All the ‘denier’ stuff came from the usual suspects.

  5. Paul Vaughan says:

    Strategic Provocation:

    I told you so.

    Today’s headline:

    “Trump makes series of stunning reversals on election vows”

    How naive does someone have to be to think it’s “stunning” when a politician double-crosses??

    Politicians’ promises are like climate model promises.

    …and election outcomes are just shiny bounces like ENSO around the central limit. In the longer-term perspective they don’t matter.

    The official American strategy (doesn’t matter whether left or right) is to deceive on climate. It’s not news.

    I’m disgusted at how ridiculously naive some members of the international climate skeptic community were about Trump (…and US strategy more generally).

    Effectively the US doesn’t have the capacity to care about truth. They’re in a scrambled frenzy desperately aiming to reclaim lost dominance. Truth is pushed aside by the pressures.

    US losses have reduced the US to a gambler’s strategy of double-or-nothing-every-time-no-matter-what. The transparent culture of never ending bluffs is destroying US credibility.

    Stability depends on sound leadership from elsewhere …so again: please stay sober folks.

    …and just remember that naivety isn’t a feature of sound leadership.


  6. oldbrew says:

    Glenn: does the UHI factor melt glaciers?

  7. JohnM says:

    Not so fast. You’ve swallowed media spin. Andrew Bolt has a more comprehensive report that shows Trump to simply be thinking about all the GW issues.

  8. oldbrew says:

    It’s not surprising that as the President-elect he may strike a different tone than when addressing one of his pre-election rallies. That’s normal.

  9. Glenn999 says:

    oldbrew, thanks for responding
    My opinion is that CO2 is doing nothing to affect the climate right now. My point is that if climate equals 30 years of weather, then surely the nighttime average temperature increase of approximately 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit is proof that humans affect climate. No? Most people, if they accept that fact, think human induced climate change is good.
    /It’s not sarcasm if it’s true

  10. gallopingcamel says:

    What matters is who will be placed in charge of bodies like the EPA. With somebody like Holdren in charge you get job killing regulations and higher energy prices.

    If Trump puts Myron Ebell in charge expect some changes that will reduce energy costs in the USA.

  11. M Simon says:


    Is that 1.5° F before or after adjustments?

  12. jarlgeir says:

    This is actually very reassuring, according to the full text of this clash of warmist doommongers and the president-elect. He refers to Climategate “these horrible emails”. Clearly, we can look forward to Trump with a lot more reassurance now!
    This is simply more spin, more lies.

  13. oldbrew says:

    Glenn: I confess to not having any data, but suspect there aren’t enough cities in the world for UHI to affect global – as opposed to local – climate.

  14. Glenn999 says:

    M Simon
    that would be after adjustments
    but your results may be different
    I really thought this was not controversial; where I live the city is usually always warmer than the countryside.

  15. Glenn999 says:

    I never suggested UHI affected global anything. I was referring to local climate. Actually, I don’t think there is a global climate, or a global temperature.

    [reply] OK apologies for any misunderstanding

  16. Paul Vaughan says:


    I’ll base my assessment of Trump on 2 criteria:

    1. Decisive termination of sun-climate belief-police.
    2. Retraction of ERSSTv4 to reinstate v3b2 (…and implement data corruption moratorium).

    Trump now appears allied with sun-climate belief-police. That’s an immediate deal-breaker and fatal trust-breaker.

    Nigel Farage is looking way too submissive and naive bowing to US deception.

    This devilish “lukewarmer” signal demands a prompt concession. The timeline for #1 (now 6 years overdue) needs acceleration. Perhaps trust can be restored with decisive action before Christmas.

    It’s fatally naive having all the global stability eggs in a problem-gambler’s basket.

    Let’s have some good fun while promoting sober second thought…

    If the accelerated schedule for #1 cannot be met before Christmas then I advise that Russia & China simply reverse the US election result to clarify that an opportunity has been fatally blown. Maybe if Trump can’t prove ability to focus to get the 2 key things done, then he isn’t needed

  17. oldbrew says:

    I suggest with Trump like any other political leader you have to look at the actions more than the words. All we have so far really is appointments, unless you count things like an invitation to Farage as action.

    Meanwhile consider this claim…

    Trust Us: Politicians Keep Most Of Their Promises

    Most of the literature suggests that presidents make at least a “good faith” effort to keep an average of about two-thirds of their campaign promises

  18. oldbrew says:


    One of the biggest mistakes made by George W. Bush was not submitting the Kyoto Protocol on climate change for Senate ratification. Kyoto had been negotiated by Bill Clinton, but he didn’t submit it to the Senate because he knew it would be rejected. Because he failed to submit the agreement to the Senate, Bush got blamed for unilaterally walking away from it. Trump can avoid the same mistake by sending the Paris Agreement to the Senate with a recommendation to reject it. This would put the onus on the Senate to act.

  19. Bamse says:

    I see the sun-climate belief-police in calif have finished their coffee break

  20. Glenn999 says:

    I thought this article was pertinent to this discussion:

    Heartland Institute President Joe Bast had this to say about the full transcript of Trump’s meeting: “This is reassuring. The Left wants to drive wedges between Trump and his base by spinning anything he says as “retreating from campaign promises.” But expressing nuance and avoiding confrontation with determined foes who buy ink by the barrel is not retreating.”

  21. pg sharrow says:

    This push-relent, push-relent, is a negotiation tactic of making a deal. Watch a pro work! This much different then the demand and then settle for middle ground tactic of politicians to find middle ground. By the time Trump settles with them, the left will gladly give him his original demands…pg

  22. oldbrew says:

    Alan Carlin: Why Climate/Energy Will Be the Real Test of the Trump Administration

    Corporate America provides very little financial or even ideological support for climate/energy skeptics even though their fate is very much dependent on the efforts by volunteers and a very few paid supporters to carry the burden of defending science, free enterprise, and economic progress against the deliberately misinformed green loonies.

    Donald Trump’s election victory provides the best opportunity that is likely to occur to push back against the green lobby before they assume permanent control of the climate/energy policy area and with it the continued survival of the free enterprise system in the US and the fossil fuels that provide the energy that make a modern economy function.

  23. Paul Vaughan says:

    Naivety solves nothing.

    Paris is just a decoy branch on a tree in the jungle of corruption. Alternate media symbolically framing on a branch-pruning ceremony accomplishes sweet f*** all.

    A 4-year-old’s path to freedom from state-controlled religious propaganda demands far bolder action. You have grab the jungle by the roots and pull it out.

    This isn’t a negotiation.

  24. oldbrew says:

    Ted Cruz: ‘There Will Be Pitchforks and Torches in the Streets’ if the GOP Doesn’t Deliver

    And probably the same if it does deliver, but with different pitchfork holders. Interesting times.

  25. Brett Keane says:

    @oldbrew says:
    November 23, 2016 at 8:09 pm: Not glaciers melted, but entire data records into heaps of slag.