RWE planning 2.5 GW gas power plant in the UK 

Posted: July 21, 2017 by oldbrew in Energy, News
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Former Tilbury power station


If this goes ahead it’s likely to be finished years before the troubled Hinkley Point nuclear plant.

German utility RWE has commenced the planning process for the construction of a 2.5 GW gas-fired power plant in Essex, England, reports Power Engineering International.

If the development is to proceed it would be a big boost for the UK energy system, as old coal and nuclear plants are being taken out of the equation.

RWE is starting the planning process to build a 2.5 GW gas power plant in Tilbury, Essex on the site of a former biomass station in what could be a potential boost to the UK energy system.


RWE’s plans also include a possible 300 MW open cycle gas turbine and an energy storage facility at the same location as the proposed combined cycle gas turbine plant – or CCGT at Tilbury, Essex. Tilbury is the site of an old coal-fired power plant, closed since 2013.

Britain has struggled to attract investment to build large scale gas-fired power plants, despite strong rhetoric favouring this technology, as a means of balancing the growing renewable content on the system.

Full report: RWE planning 2.5 GW gas power plant in the UK – Power Engineering International

Comments
  1. ferdberple says:

    Why are renewables not paid the same way as other power producers? Why do they get a guaranteed price while everyone else gets the wholesale price. The problem is that a guaranteed price will destabilize the market, causing the very problems that the wholesale price was created to solve.

    With a guaranteed price, wind producers will keep on producing power even when there is too much. And paying them to stop producing is plain silly. It is a formula for the to build even more unneeded capacity.

    Everyone else gets the wholesale price. Renewables should as well and much of the grid instability would disappear overnight.

  2. ferdberple says:

    If renewables got the same price as everyone else, the problems with instability, lack of investment, and skyrocketing power bills would solve themselves. Otherwise not only will you end up paying wind farms not to produce, you will also end up paying companies to build fossil fuel plants that will sit idle most of the time. Energy prices will go through the roof with most of the money being spent for power companies not to produce power. Even the old soviet union would have been hard pressed to invent a more wasteful system.

  3. oldbrew says:

    It’s an interesting question why RWE are doing this, when everyone else in the UK energy market seems too scared to invest in either gas or the latest coal technology.

  4. Graeme No. 3 says:

    oldbrew:
    RWE may well have asked “what happens to supply if current policy drives all coal fired plants out of business?” Answer a shortage and higher wholesale prices. Also they may have decided that Hinkley would be delayed or not built – hence a shortage and higher wholesale prices.
    Or of course that the Government and Opposition would continue in their lunatic policies and the result would be a shortage of supply and higher wholesale prices.

    Alternatively they may be thinking that after Brexit the UK will abandon the green crap and they will be in a better market than in Germany where CCGTs are shutting down or being dismantled and moved to other countries.

  5. ivan says:

    Maybe the UK should be following Japan and be building several HELE coal plants.

    See http://joannenova.com.au/2017/02/japan-building-45-hele-coal-plants-australia-1-maybe/ for some details.

    Gas to fire these units will have to be imported even when fracked gas comes on line yet the UK still has massive reserves of coal that could be used

  6. oldbrew says:

    Rick Perry Says ‘Clean’ Coal Will Shape America’s Energy Future

    Perry also defended the Trump administration’s endorsement of coal initiatives, despite concerns over climate change. He believes that clean coal is not only pragmatic, but will become commonplace.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/19/rick-perry-says-clean-coal-will-shape-americas-energy-future/

  7. michael hart says:

    At what point would RWE actually be committing significant amounts of real money to the project?

    Is this just a case of them keeping their irons hot by starting the planning proposals with an option to either withdraw, or go full speed ahead when the UK grid reaches a crisis point. They may then be able to extract some lovely guaranteed prices from a desperate government and be first-to-market with a new power station.

  8. Richard111 says:

    Why are RWE doing this? Just another spanner in the Brexit works.

  9. oldbrew says:

    RWE already own the land as the operators of the old power station, and have cancelled the sale of it.

  10. Bloke down the pub says:

    RWE is starting the planning process to build a 2.5 GW gas power plant in Tilbury, Essex on the site of a former biomass station

    Ouch, that’ll leave a mark on the Greens.

  11. oldbrew says:

    Not sure about that, Bloke…

    5 July 2013 : RWE npower closes Tilbury biomass power station

    The blow to the UK’s renewables industry was welcome news to some green campaigners who argue biomass is unsustainable
    . . .
    There are also concerns about the effects of the soot that comes from burning the organic fuel.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jul/05/rwe-npower-tilbury-biomass-power-station

    No soot from gas 🙂

  12. oldbrew says:

    NEW CLIMATE “HERO” CHINA BUILDING HUNDREDS OF NEW COAL PLANTS
    Date: 22/07/17
    http://www.thegwpf.com/new-climate-hero-china-building-hundreds-of-new-coal-plants/

    But that won’t prevent the usual suspects moaning about one measly gas power plant in the UK.

  13. gallopingcamel says:

    ferdberple, July 21, 2017 at 4:43 pm
    “Everyone else gets the wholesale price. Renewables should as well and much of the grid instability would disappear overnight.”

    How true! First the instability would disappear and shortly after the “Renewables” would disappear. Look at what happened in Spain when the government ran out of money to subsidize wind & solar.

  14. oldbrew says:

    Can the UK’s gas grid go green? New white paper explores options
    July 20, 2017

    http://phys.org/news/2017-07-uk-gas-grid-green-white.html

    Unit cost of power might double and £1000s would have to be spent per household.
    To achieve what?

  15. Nick Perrin. says:

    If you consider ‘why build it’, there is a possible reason not yet mentioned. If you expect rolling power cuts to keep (some of) the lights on where is the last place for cuts? If that circumstance arises the earnings could be substantial. Perhaps the Gov. already has a quiet agreement in place!

    Old Nick.

  16. tom0mason says:

    Trump gas or Putin gas?

  17. oldbrew says:

    Try putting ‘struggling to keep the lights on’ and ’20 million electric cars’ in the same sentence – while making it sound realistic. Then add ‘renewables’ :/

  18. oldbrew says:

    Wales joins the new gas generation game ‘after three years of public consultation’.
    – – –
    Welsh gas-fired power plant approved

    07/25/2017
    By Diarmaid Williams
    International Digital Editor

    The UK government has approved the development of a 1GW gas-fired power plant in Wrexham, north Wales.
    http://www.powerengineeringint.com/articles/2017/07/welsh-gas-fired-power-plant-approved.html

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