New greener police cars to run on hydrogen – UK Transport Dept.

Posted: March 27, 2018 by oldbrew in Emissions, government, News, Travel
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Hydrogen-powered Toyota Mirai [image credit: Nikkei Asian Review]


Climate targets are invoked to justify the cost and effort. Hydrogen cars are far more expensive than fuel-burners.

Zero emission vehicles to be used by taxi firms and police, says the DoT announcement.

Police cars and taxis will be among nearly 200 new hydrogen powered vehicles switching to zero emission miles, thanks to a multi-million pound government boost.

The zero emission vehicles are part of a project that has won £8.8 million in funding from the Department for Transport to improve access to hydrogen refuelling stations up and down the country and increase the number of hydrogen cars on our roads from this summer.

The winning project is run by a consortium managed by Element Energy and including expertise from ITM Power, Shell, Toyota, Honda and Hyundai. It will capitalise on the reliable mileage of established fleets and see vehicles being procured by emergency services such as the Metropolitan Police, as well as Green Tomato Cars and Europcar to support the growth of refuelling infrastructure for hydrogen vehicles up and down the country.

Roads Minister, Jesse Norman said:

“Decarbonising our roads is an essential part of meeting our climate targets. The innovative new technologies involved present great opportunities for our increasingly low carbon economy.

“Hydrogen has huge potential, especially for those making longer journeys and clocking up high mileage. That is what makes this project truly exciting. Not only is it demonstrating the technology in action, but it is also developing the refuelling infrastructure needed for the future.”

The project helps cement the UK’s place as a world-leader in adopting hydrogen technology, using not only British expertise through ITM Power, but also securing further investment from multi-national companies such as Shell, Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai.

It also means that hydrogen cars will be able to travel further around Britain than ever before, with new refuelling stations being planned for Southwark, Isleworth, Birmingham and Derby paving the way for future expansion.

The £8.8 million grant will be matched by a further £13.1 million investment including support from the companies and other sources. The project will involve the procurement of new vehicles, construction of new stations and upgrades to existing stations.

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Comments
  1. Anoneumouse says:

    I can just see it now
    nee naw – nee naw and a peroxide blonde Plod exits vehicle, H2 H2 whats going on here then

  2. oldbrew says:

    Decarbonising our roads is an essential part of meeting our climate targets.

    But energy is needed to make the hydrogen in the first place, by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen.
    Where is that energy coming from?

    ITM Power says:
    Fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs) are powered by electricity generated on-board the vehicle from hydrogen fuel passing through a fuel cell stack. This means they do not need recharging and instead, the driver refills the tank at a hydrogen refuelling station, in the same way they might do with a petrol and diesel car.

    In addition the stations do not need any deliveries, instead they are able to produce the hydrogen on site from excess and renewable energy therefore also making the production process emission free.

    http://www.itm-power.com/news-item/8-8m-olev-funding-for-refuelling-infrastructure

    ‘able to produce the hydrogen on site from excess and renewable energy’ – really? They would have to have off-grid wind, solar or hydro power at each site to guarantee that. Otherwise they’re using the same mix of power sources as everyone else.

  3. Dave Ward says:

    “The zero emission vehicles”

    They may be zero emission AT THE POINT OF USE, but they most certainly ARE NOT zero emission in overall use…

  4. JB says:

    Why is it no one ever talks about the carbon tires leave on the roadways?

    And when they finally do meet their targets, will they shake hands, or move them out again?

  5. Kip Hansen says:

    These are electric cars running off of hydrogen fuel cells. Neat idea, but it takes electricity (or some fancy chemistry) to produce /free the hydrogen for use.
    I have no idea as to the efficiency of the process of breaking the bonds in H2O to produce H2 and O2 — but using “excess” power on the gird to do the trick is a workable idea and would reduce the cost. “Excess” meaning the electricity produced when the wind is howling but power usage has not ramped up to consume it.
    I suspect that no one in their right minds could afford one of these hydrogen-fuel-cell cars on the open market.
    The “expended network of filling stations’ idea is a waste of money. These type of introduced technology autos are best used in cities as fleet cars (police, municipal light duty vehicles, utility companies) where all the vehicles return to the fleet service area every night, and seldom make long distance trips.

    Can anyone put a $, € or £ figure the purchase price?

  6. oldbrew says:

    Price of Toyota Mirai – wrong side of $60,000. Maybe 80,000 Euros with taxes.

    Better to lease one unless money no object, expect to pay about twice the cost of a ‘normal’ car.

  7. Yet another example of the establishment insanity, wasting more taxpayers money. When will the insanity end, that is the question?

  8. pochas94 says:

    Hydrogen generation is very inefficient. Fuel cells add even more inefficiency. Add them up and you do little better than a fuel burner. For maximum benefit to the environment, keep driving the old clunker.

  9. E.M.Smith says:

    BUT But but…. water is a greenhouse gas!!! and these things make water…

    So they are NOT “zero emissions’. They are strong emitters of a “potent greenhouse gas”!!!

  10. ivan says:

    Almost all hydrogen made today is via a chemical process using steam reforming of hydrocarbons which makes it a large producer of greenhouse gases:

    CH4 + H2O -> CO + 3 H2

    CO + H2O -> CO2 + H2

    As far as I can remember reading about 4% to 5% of hydrogen comes from electrolysis.

    No matter how it is produced the thermodynamics of making, storing, transporting and using hydrogen are lousy in comparison to battery technology and even worse when compared to petrol and diesel.

    Add to that the engineering problems with storage – hydrogen tends to escape through any containment and in the process makes the metal brittle – who wants to be riding about on top of a bomb?

  11. stpaulchuck says:

    another billion dollars worth of hanger queens. We’ve got a city in America with a garage and parking lot full of useless electric cars that the taxpayers coughed up for and the cops avoid like the plague.