UK car industry on alert over ‘hybrid ban’

Posted: May 5, 2018 by oldbrew in Emissions, government, ideology, News

Toyota Prius [image credit: BBC]

UK political leaders are hopelessly hooked on climate dogma, leading to various strange decisions and economically damaging policies.

The SMMT trade body hits out after reports the government will target hybrids in a new emissions drive, says BBC News.

The UK’s car industry has hit out at the government over unconfirmed reports ministers will target hybrid vehicles as part of a new emissions crackdown.

New cars unable to do at least 50 miles on electric power may be banned by 2040, a ruling that would hit the UK’s best-selling hybrid, Toyota’s Prius.

The SMMT car trade body said “misleading” government messages were damaging the industry and hitting jobs.

In a short statement, the Department for Transport denied plans for a ban.

The Financial Times and Autocar said that the government’s Road to Zero car emissions strategy was due to be unveiled imminently.

It follows last year’s announcement by the government that it would ban the sale of all new diesel and petrol cars in the UK by 2040. But the position on electrified models was unclear, and Road to Zero is due to clarify the situation.

The FT and Autocar reported that vehicles which could not travel at least 50 miles using only electric power would be outlawed.

Along with the bans on new petrol and diesel cars from 2040, that would affect 98% of the vehicles currently on Britain’s roads, including the popular Prius, which like most plug-in hybrids on sale typically offer 30 miles of zero-emissions travel.

The Prius would no longer be classified as “environmentally friendly”.

‘Wreaking havoc’

Mike Hawes, chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, said the industry was becoming increasingly concerned.

He criticised the lack of clarity over the government’s plans.

“Unrealistic targets and misleading messaging on bans will only undermine our efforts to realise this future, confusing consumers and wreaking havoc on the new car market and the thousands of jobs it supports,” Mr Hawes aid.

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Perhaps the SMMT should be careful what it wishes for…
SMMT warns of rising CO2 emissions

  1. Gamecock says:

    2040? Rilly?

    “We have no authority over the future.” – GC

  2. oldbrew says:

    Meanwhile, mild hybrids are on the way…

    VW, PSA, Volvo, others adopt 48-volt mild hybrids in response to diesel decline

    The motor delivers a noticeable torque boost and recovers braking energy to recharge a battery – smaller and cheaper than those required by electric cars or “full” hybrids such as Toyota’s Prius, which typically run at 100-300 volts. Total manufacturing cost comes in 500-1,000 euros ($600-$1,200) below an equivalent diesel.
    . . .
    Volkswagen’s next Golf, a benchmark in compact cars, will arrive with 48V electrics in 2019, and other models will follow, development chief Frank Welsch told Reuters. “The technology has a lot of potential and will make hybrids more affordable for the masses,” Welsch said.

  3. stewgreen says:

    At the time of the first announcement, it became apparent that it was only pure petrol/diesel that would be banned not hybrids, that is certain. So media that portrayed it as a move to pure EV were FakeNews.
    Yet now By Theo Leggett (BBC business correspondent)
    says \\ If the government really is planning to include hybrids as part of its 2040 ban on sales of petrol and diesel cars,
    it makes that policy much more ambitious – and potentially much more of a headache for the industry.//
    But a few lines later he quotes \\ A Department for Transport (DfT) spokesperson said:
    “It is categorically untrue that government is planning to ban the sale of hybrid cars in the UK by 2040.” //

    Why would anyone talk about banning Prius cos it only has a 30 mile range today.
    What counts is what it is in 2040
    Activists predict probably wrongly that tech will drastically improve so they’ll be magic gains in battery range, but we can expect some gain not just static at 30 miles.

  4. ivan says:

    It appears that the idea is to remove all fossil fuelled from all transport to keep down the production of plant food. That leaves only short range battery powered electric which begs the question, actually 3 questions.
    1) where is the electricity coming from since unreliable renewables won’t supply it?
    2) how much will it cost to upgrade the grid and local distribution networks to be able to supply the unreliable energy in the first place to charge all the batteries?
    3) how are they going to dispose of the end of life batteries, land fill or shipping them out to some developing country for their land fill?

    There are more questions than those that need answering but they are enough to start with.

    All of this stupidity from the politicians of all colours just shows they have swallowed the Club of Rome/UN Agenda 21 mantra without question which is not surprising since having a double/treble digit IQ disqualifies them from being politicians or political advisers.

  5. ivan says:

    oldbrew, regarding mild hybrids which the see as a way of not changing much in their designs why don’t they consider a diesel-electric alternative.

    A diesel engine running at a constant optimum speed close coupled to an electric generator that supplies power to dual wound* electric motors at each wheel. A couple of batteries (depending on motor voltage) used for starting the genset and recharged with regenerative breaking. The inly changes to the designs they have today would be independent suspension for all wheels, a simpler engine, no gearbox and drive train and no heavy batteries aka an electric car.

    * dual wound: one winding is high current giving high torque for starting and slopes the other winding is low current for cruising.

  6. oldbrew says:

    ivan – why don’t they consider a diesel-electric alternative

    Today’s diesels have to have an expensive particulate filter and other tech (ask VW) which pushes the price up, making 48V petrols a cheaper option for the majority of cars, i.e. the ones where price is a key factor.

  7. Stephen Richards says:

    stewgreen says:
    May 5, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    Governments that interfere in the market end by destroying it.

  8. Stephen Richards says:

    stewgreen says:
    May 5, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    And Hydrogen.

  9. oldbrew says:

    Improving battery tech is one thing, but doing it at reasonable cost per battery with non-scarce materials is another.

  10. Gamecock says:

    “shipping them out to some developing country for their land fill”

    Nah. They’ll be disassembled by children to reclaim usable elements.