UN climate talks end in stalemate 

Posted: May 10, 2018 by oldbrew in climate, government, News, Politics

Yet another climate conference?

So the climate talkshop moves on to Bangkok, by which time it will be nearly three years since the Paris ‘agreement’. But if they still can’t agree on anything after nine days, is waiting another few months going to make much difference? Without the USA the whole process is starting to look a bit forlorn.


UN climate officials add a week-long session in Bangkok in September to the diary, as Bonn talks make insufficient progress on the Paris Agreement rulebook.

The UN will hold an extra round of climate talks in Bangkok in September after lacklustre progress this fortnight, says Home Climate News.

Long-rumoured talks in the Thai capital were confirmed by UN officials on Tuesday night, according to several sources, including Poland’s climate envoy Tomasz Chruszczow.

Countries have spent the past nine days in Bonn, Germany, negotiating the rules that will govern the Paris Agreement, with a decision due in December in Katowice. But dealmakers have become bogged down in technical detail.

Stalemate around the differentiation of commitments between rich and poor countries remains a problem, said Alden Meyer, director of strategy and policy for the Union of Concerned Scientists.

Full report here.

  1. oldbrew says:

    Meanwhile, more misery for the climate paranoia machine…

    The Trump Administration Just Jeopardized The World’s Ability to Measure Carbon Emissions
    10 MAY 2018


    The sub-heading to the report says:
    You know, the stuff that’s causing climate change.

    – – –
    Well, the FACT is that they measure carbon dioxide emissions, not carbon emissions.
    So you don’t know that ‘carbon’ is causing climate change, because that’s nonsense.

    Even if it said carbon dioxide it would still be nonsense, but that’s another story.

  2. p.g.sharrow says:

    It’s all about the Carbon, sure it is!
    Nothing to do with the $200Billion that they had planned to extort from the Americans, really.
    Maybe they can convince India and China to contribute to the Honey Pot…pg

  3. craigm350 says:

    Reblogged this on WeatherAction News and commented:
    Oh we need another jaunt!!!

  4. oldbrew says:

    BBC: UN puts brave face as climate talks get stuck

    The difficulties this week in Bonn have not deterred the UK from throwing its hat in the ring to host the 2020 Conference of the Parties, considered a very crucial meeting.

    It will be the first meeting where the Paris deal will be operational. Countries are also expected to revise upwards their existing promises on curbing emissions.

    UK Energy and Clean Growth minister Claire Perry was upbeat about the idea, despite the costs and the huge logistical challenges that hosting thousands of attendees poses.

    “I think it would be a marvellous opportunity for the UK to host it,” she said, according to newspaper reports.

    “We absolutely lead this space. We’ve decarbonised more and grown more than any other G7 country,” she said.

    “I’ve got a fantastic team of climate negotiators in the department. Our word carries weight, and it will still be so after Brexit.”

    A decision on where to host the 2020 meeting has not yet been made.


    Update – the BBC’s link to this report says:
    UN puts brave face on climate talks torpor [bold added]

  5. ivan says:

    UK Energy and Clean Growth minister Claire Perry was upbeat about the idea, despite the costs and the huge logistical challenges that hosting thousands of attendees poses.

    Where does she get the thousands from? There are 249 country codes listed in ISO 3166-1, add 1 for the UN itself multiply by 2 so giving each country 2 representatives gives a total of 500 assuming all countries attend. I therefore assume all the others of those thousands are there for a taxpayer funded holiday – good work if you can get it in the green-wash.

    As for her spluttering on about gold plating de-carbonising, she and all politicians should be ashamed of themselves for putting the country in such an energy starved state with high cost unreliables.

  6. oldbrew says:

    UK energy/climate ministers are probably spoonfed greenwash all year round in their government ivory towers, judging by the way they always seem to be cast from the same blinkered mould.

  7. E.M.Smith says:

    “Stalemate around the differentiation of commitments between rich and poor countries remains a problem”

    Yeah, exactly. Like no “Rich USA Taxpayer Wallet” to commit to providing money so the “poor countries” (like up and comer India and worlds greatest manufacturing economy China) to take it and spend it… and all the promises to all the little countries that they get some that falls off the $Hundred $Billions plate as it passes by… as long as the EU gets to have control

  8. wilpretty says:

    Claire Perry’s job is to promote the Governments green policies so that the green minded populace can be kept on board. Hopefully the Government itself does not believe its own PR.

  9. oldbrew says:

    Stalemate around the differentiation of commitments between rich and poor countries remains a problem

    Could be bad news for luxury car dealers in ‘developing’ countries 😎

  10. pochas94 says:

    Perhaps Rio next year, for Mardi Gras. Give them something to do.

  11. stpaulchuck says:

    Gee, private jets, top drawer hotels suites, best food… yeah, it’s tough to negotiate on something that’s not going to happen.

  12. tom0mason says:

    Maybe when these bureaucratic parasites get to Bangkok they may witness some real natural climate emission, from say the Andaman and Nicobar’s Barren Island volcano. It hasn’t done much recently so it might just be due a quick pop. 🙂

  13. stpaulchuck says:

    tom0mason, one could only hope they were standing there on some tour or other when it blew, ha ha

  14. oldbrew says:

    Date: 11/05/18

    Two weeks of climate talks organized by the United Nations finished with developing countries demanding more clarity from their richer counterparts on when a promised package of $100 billion in aid will materialize.


    Don’t hold your breath folks.

  15. oldbrew says:

    How could a handful of mostly European countries massively subsidise the whole world indefinitely?
    – – –
    World View: Climate Change Conference Collapses as China Backs Down from Emission Commitments

    Climate change activists struggle to replace U.S. climate change money

    But China is now demanding “bifurcation.” This is a technical term meaning that the transparency and bookkeeping rules apply only to the rich countries, not to the developing countries.

    This means that the “rich” developed countries have to pay all the money and also meet the transparency and bookkeeping rules to prove that they’re meeting their emission commitments.

    But the developing countries just have to sit back and collect money, and claim that they are reducing emissions without having to provide any evidence.

    China can go on building a new coal power plant every week, and just claim that it is magic coal that reduces emissions rather than increasing them.


  16. oldbrew says:

    “It felt like nothing was getting done,” said one observer close to the Bonn talks. “It felt like slow death over the last week.”


  17. […] their emissions. At yet another conference in the process, in Bonn last month, the parties broke up without agreement on handing the money across. It is almost impossible to imagine real agreement, because it would be […]

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