The way forward for a #Sovereign Britain

Posted: May 22, 2018 by tallbloke in Energy, EU Referendum, government, Politics
DrTeckKhong

Sovereign Party Leader Dr Teck Khong

 

There is a new forward looking pro-Brexit political party called Sovereign starting up which needs your backing and involvement so it can generate pressure and influence.

Its leader is a medical man, Dr Teck Khong, who left the Conservatives after many years (he stood as a parliamentary  candidate in my own West Yorkshire in 2005), and joined UKIP, standing for election in his home constituency in Leicester during the 2017 election. Like many others (me included), he has since left UKIP and we are now starting a new party. I have been asked to be strategy director and National Nominating Officer, liaising with the electoral commission. I’m also directing and team building for the party’s energy and industry policy.

We need more core members, donations, and plenty of shout outs on social media to bootstrap the movement and get things moving so we can make a difference. Please take a look at our website at thesovereignparty.uk and let us have your thoughts below. If you’d like to help  with the costs of registering the party with the electoral commission and furthering the campaigning, feel free to use the paypal button on the top left of the site.

 

We have to rescue Brexit and Britain’s future from the political incompetence it is mired in. Please put your shoulders to the wheel and help us.

 

Comments
  1. Adam Gallon says:

    It all falls flat with this statement.
    “The UK is to resume her place in the WTO and her autonomy to trade agreements, full jurisdiction over tariff setting in observance of WTO rules away from the Single Market and the Customs Union.”
    Another clueless person who fails to realise that it’s non-tariff barriers that are the issue.
    http://eureferendum.com/
    Read Flexcit, Impact Assessments & the Monographs.

  2. Adam Gallon says:

    Further information on the WTO fantasy. https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/8b00ce90-e83d-4f76-8c87-b0d2d2174af7 at 10.29, a specific question about the Irish Border & a specific answer.

  3. Stephen Richards says:

    Adam Gallon says:
    May 22, 2018 at 8:40 am

    Sorry? what are you on about.?

    Teck’s a good man, Roger, as you already know.

    I cannot vote In the UK but will be voting FN here in france next year. I can help with a bit of cash, though.

  4. tallbloke says:

    Hi Adam. Richard banned me from his site for pointing out the the UKIPpers he so nastily disparaged actually got out there and won the ground campaign for Brexit while he sat on his arse and pontificated. Non-tarriff barriers are a fact of life and the way round them is via a strong negotiating position. As Jacob Rees-Mogg pointed out the other day, WTO guarantees 10 years of continued BAU trade with the EU whilst we sort out a new arrangement, even if we choose to leave with no deal. Flexcit is a dead letter.

    Stephen, all help gratefully received. thank you.

  5. Dodgy Geezer says:

    …We have to rescue Brexit and Britain’s future from the political incompetence it is mired in…..

    This is certainly true. I am not sure that a new political party is the answer. Humans behave like sheep – a few become leader contenders and many follow them – these are the elite Establishment, whose future is based upon the continuation of the status quo, and who are currently in confusion as the status quo is crumbling. The rest of the sheep follow.

    If you are to have any hope of breaking the Establishment you need a strong united force. Trump is doing this in the US – and look at the forces being wielded against him. In this country Farage and UKIP were matching Trump for a while, but are now split and weaker. Another party will just weaken things further.

    I left EU Referendum before I was thrown out, when I saw the path Richard North was taking. He is very well informed on the organisational aspects of the EU, and could be of great benefit to an opposition – but he will not listen to other views, and simply insults the messenger when he cannot defend himself against criticism. The net result? Another split….

  6. tallbloke says:

    Pragmatic politics is key. There are several new pro-brexit parties, appealing to various sections of the electorate. When push comes to shove at the ballot box, I fully expect there will be cooperation, memos of understanding, coalitions formed etc to take best advantage of the opportunities. UKIP only ever won a single parliamentary seat at an election, but look at the massive influence they wielded, with both major parties scrambling to adopt their policies as their poll percentage climbed. Sovereign is more forward and outward looking than some of the other startups, and will appeal to people more in the middle ground of the political spectrum.

  7. Phoenix44 says:

    “Another clueless person who fails to realise that it’s non-tariff barriers that are the issue.”

    Exactly, and those are entirely the EU’s problem. It is the EU’s barriers that make it,er, necessary for the EU to raise barriers.

    And it is those EU barriers that cost UK consumers so much money needlessly.

  8. Good luck Roger. Think about direct democracy as in Switzerland. That is a policy which will defeat both the Labour and Conservatives. Also, think about a federation where states do their own taxing and run affairs like health, education, policing, residence etc. Bureaucracy and centralisation is the killer of democracy and good government. The bureaucracy of the EU is heading towards the USSR model and will finish with a dictator if it continues on the same path. NI, Scotland and Wales are a good start but maybe England should be broken up into 5 states and a proper federation formed. Switzerland has 26 states that do their own taxing.

  9. Schrodinger's Cat says:

    My initial reaction is surprise and some negativity due to the enormity of the task and the low chance of success. However, I’ve just read Mrs May’s recent speech on ConHome and it is clear that a majority in government cannot imagine life outside of the EU.

    The conservative party is probably fatally split over the EU and as a consequence is unable to move forward or be decisive about Brexit. Labour is a shambles led by extremists and the Lib Dems deserve to be ignored. UKIP has served its purpose and is finished.

    The UK needs a party with vision for a sovereign nation. It needs sensible, practical policies.

    A new party could meet these needs but it is a long shot. Then again, the alternative political scene is short on just about everything.

  10. BoyfromTottenham says:

    Thanks, Roger. I won’t be voting in the UK elections (although I could), but may I suggest that the Sovereign party gives a great deal of thought to a policy of extensively deregulating the UK economy? I am reminded that Germany did this after WW2 and its economy boomed (as we all know) until the early 1980s, when pro-regulation governments took their toll. After decades under the boot of the EU and its UK camp-followers, I’m afraid that the British people have been thoroughly acclimatised to repressive, onerous and wasteful regulation at every level. To mention just one example, compare the Icelandic fishing regulations to the EU! Nevertheless, I can only wish you all and yours the very best for the future, from over here is my adopted bit of Paradise – Australia.

  11. Dodgy Geezer says:

    …Sovereign is more forward and outward looking than some of the other startups, and will appeal to people more in the middle ground of the political spectrum…

    I am not sure what counts as the ‘middle ground’ any more. What used to be the middle ground is now, in many cases, effectively an illegal opinion to hold, as it can be presented as sexist, racist or not in compliance with the European Courts of Justice or Human Rights. Such accusations will certainly lose you your job. What used to be mathematically wrong is now stated to be ‘settled science’.

    The effect of these techniques is to sideline any discussion of opposing views – indeed, to make them impossible to hold without a huge effort of will. O’Brian would be proud of us….

  12. oldbrew says:

    Flashback to the Brexit poll 2016:
    Betting odds reflected this apparent certainty – at one point yesterday, Remain was standing at 1/9, implying that the chances of leaving the EU were below 10 per cent.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658565/EU-referendum-Crisis-pollsters-surveys-failed-predict-Brexit.html

  13. Adam Gallon says:

    Again, it’s not the tariffs that are the issue. I’ve seen that Dr North can be rather, how can one put it, antagonistic? however, the truth of the matter is, WTO is a non-starter. The minute we’re out of the Single Market, without an agreement on our ongoing relationships with the EU, every single EU rule & regulation that applies to “Third Countries”, ie non-Single Market countries, will apply to us. Every single one of them. Here’s the EU’s list. https://ec.europa.eu/info/brexit/brexit-preparedness_en Let’s take aviation safety rules shall we? https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-aviation-safety.pdf How will WTO rules help us here? For example “Certificates issued before the withdrawal date by the competent authorities of the United Kingdom on the basis of the provisions of the Basic Regulation and its implementing rules will no longer be valid as of the withdrawal date in the EU. This concerns in particular: ” It then notes a large number of certificates, airworthiness, pilot licences, medical certificates, aerodromes, air traffic controllers, pilot trainers… the list goes on. We’ll be out of Euratom & Erasmus. Fancy taking your dog on holiday to your caravan in France? What does WTO say about that? How about motor vehicle type approval? Your shipment of Welsh lamb, how are you going to get that to your customers in mainland Europe? Unless the good Dr’s got answers to all of these, that will apply the minute we leave the Single Market, we’re deep in the shit.

  14. oldbrew says:

    Adam – anything due to WTO rules that applied to the UK-EU trade after Brexit date would apply to the EU-UK trade also. No winners there.

    So all this paranoia is just more scaremongering, no?

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/782120/UK-free-trade-deal-European-Union-WTO-loophole-tariffs-Brexit

  15. Adam, as aluded to by others here, currently we are compliant/in agreement with ALL EU laws , rules, regulations and directives. Brexit +1 We will still be in compliance. The is what the new brexit bill is all about. If the EU want a fight, the majority exporting countries (Germany and France) will be certain to lose therefore will not fight but come to a reasonable agreement.
    If the EU want WTO rules on +1 then our importers will be offered rebates immediately by the government, funded by WTO payments. And we will still be in pocket.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    The UK has a big balance of trade deficit with the EU, mostly Germany. Any “food fight” over trade will have the UK net winning and Germany net losing.

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/fuding-brexit/

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/brexit-cant-sell-to-eu-lie/

    It’s a really really big world outside of the EU. Can’t get French Wine? Try Californian. Want to ship your special tea somewhere other than Belgium? Try New Zealand. Need a bit of lamb to import? Australia has you covered. Want some nice fishing and Sweden being a pill? Head to Canada.

    We’re all here, and we’re all waiting for your final freedom…

  17. tallbloke says:

    Thanks EM, looking forward to it.

  18. tom0mason says:

    If the new party can stay stable and offer a way out of the current shenanigans I all for it.
    Britain has the whole world to trade with, not just Europe. While Britain stays tied to Europe then Britain’s trade with be tied to what the European elites say.
    WTO rules are not in anyway a be-all-and-end-all for trade, they are the start position from which Britain can negotiate from with any country in the world.
    Personally I would like it if the British Commonwealth were to become more of an economic entity, more of a trading block in the world.

  19. tallbloke says:

    We agree about prioritising forming a trading partnership with the commonwealth countries.

  20. gallopingcamel says:

    I was amazed when my countrymen approved BREXIT.

    A nation that went to the dogs by electing Clement Attlee in 1945 showing a little spirit! Attlee and his successors promised an end to “Blood, tears, toil and sweat”.

    Now it is apparent that the will of the people means nothing and your “Deep State” is still running things (thank you sir Humphrey).

    In the USA we elected Donald Trump to secure our borders, reduce taxes etc. etc. Naturally the Democrats resist all policies that make sense but how can one explain Republicans who oppose Trump’s winning 2016 agenda?

    The GOP can win BIGLY in November 2018 if they replace Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell with folks who will support the Trump agenda.

    The GOP wins elections and then betrays its voters. Voter betrayal is the GOP brand. Even so, they can win in November by appointing Jim Jordan as House Speaker. Jordan has a simple message……Let’s do what we promised!

    What a concept!

  21. tom0mason says:

    Of course you will be fighting the disinformation machine funded in large by George Soros
    https://sovereignnations.com/2018/02/26/soros-pumps-cash-brexit-reversal-campaign/
    A foreigner meddling in British politics for his own gain?

    If you are for Britain, you must be against the pro-EU puppet master Soros.

  22. Adam Gallon says:

    The fact that we’re currently compliant & will be on Brexit +1, is irrelevant. What matters is the EU has a raft of legislation regarding “Third Countries”, all of which will apply to the UK, should we depart without a deal. So read all of the notices, https://ec.europa.eu/info/brexit/brexit-preparedness_en , consider what we have to do to comply. It’s our trade & movement into the EU that’s the issue.
    Imports of meat & livestock into the EU follow strict rules, they have to go through ports equipped to test them, the nearest ones to us are Dunkirk & Le Havre. Post Brexit, unless an agreement is made, your lorry of frozen Welsh lamb, that arrives in Calais, will be turned back. “Wrong port M’sieur”

    An external, land border, between the UK & the EU will be created in Ireland. This will need a “hard” border, with customs inspection points, as there are between Switzerland & the EU & Norway & the EU. Lorries will need to be checked to ensure duties are paid & there’s no contraband or banned items being moved.
    You think the EU will waive this? It’ll create a marvellous route into the EU, as once in the Irish Republic, anything is in the EU & thus can move freely. A smuggler’s delight.

    All these issues are solvable, simply by joining Efta & thus the EEA. That was we get to leave the EU, leave the Customs Union (So can negotiate trade deals with non-Single Market countries) , exempt ourselves from jurisdiction of the ECJ; except in matters of trade & any other areas we decide to continue with (Euratom, EMEA etc leap to mind), where a court is still necessary to arbitrate on arguments. Freedom of movement can be restricted by Article 112. We contribute to the EU budget only for what we use.
    Then we can start looking at what our long term goals are.
    The “They need us more than we need them, BMW, Mercedes etc, etc” is a red herring. It’s movement of goods, people & services INTO the EU, that’s the issue.
    We export around £240 billion worth of goods to the EU, worth around 13% to our economy. The EU’s exports to us are around £300 billion, worth around 4% to theirs.
    Some people are just beginning to realise what a bottle neck our ports will become. “Operation Brock”. https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/operation-stack-renamed-operation-brock-1581829
    Ireland’s preparing to bypass the UK & sail Ro-Ro ferries directly to mainland Europe. Why when it’s quicker to sail to Liverpool, drive across the M62 & get on the ferry at Hull? Because they lorries will be stuck in a huge queue for days.

  23. Yes, EM except Australian wine is better than French. In fact in international competition Austrlian wines in blind testing have beaten French wines for over 150yrs. The French have imported Australian wine making technology. There is at least one Australian company (Hardies) that has vineyards in France. Do you know that the French import wine from Tasmania to make Champagne.
    Britain can well do without the EU while if the EU tries to put tariffs on British imports the EU will lose out economically big time. Anyway, with Italy, Hungary, Poland etc opposing the immigration rules, plus other countries demanding less centralised authority the EU will fall apart in a few years after BREXIT is finalised.

  24. oldbrew says:

    Adam G – the negotiating teams will be well aware of the issues obviously. Whether the EU is prepared to give itself a big headache just to give the UK one is another matter.

  25. tallbloke says:

    Adam G: This will need a “hard” border, with customs inspection points, as there are between Switzerland & the EU

    I’ve never been stopped at the Swiss border. Just driven straight through. You’re scaremongering. In any case, it’s the EU’s problem not ours. If they want a hard border in Ireland, they have to persuade the Dublin govt to accept one. Good luck with that.

  26. Paul Vaughan says:

    Ice cold revelation trumps heated revolution.
    A piece full prayer for peaceful ways, marking the bold spring of Sovereign:

    Pareto Principled Stability Blessing

    Stablest: Polarize stable eyes.
    Stay blessed polar eyes: Stabilize.

  27. tom0mason says:

    I note that ChiefIO has lots to say about the Soros machine and it’s working to kill BREXIT…
    more at https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/05/30/soros-funding-move-to-kill-brexit/

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