Accelerate petrol and diesel ban, say UK MPs

Posted: October 19, 2018 by oldbrew in government, ideology, Travel
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Political control of the market for personal transport looms ever larger. The known shortcomings of electric cars (range, cost, recharging time and facilities, etc.) and the potentially massive loss of fuel tax revenue are not mentioned.

The government’s 2040 deadline for shifting to electric-powered cars criticised as ‘unambitious’, BBC News reports.

A ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars should be brought forward by eight years to 2032, MPs have said.

The government’s current plans to ensure all new cars are “effectively zero emission” by 2040 were “vague and unambitious”, a report by Parliament’s business select committee said.

It also criticised cuts to subsidies and the lack of charging points.

The government said it aimed to make the UK “the best place in the world” to own an electric vehicle.

However, the report from the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy committee said the government’s deeds did not match the ambitions of its words.

The committee’s chairwoman, Rachel Reeves MP, said the government’s targets gave “little clarity or incentive to industry or the consumer to invest in electric cars.”

‘Zero means zero’
Earlier this year the prime minister said that all new cars and vans should be “effectively zero emission” by 2040.

The government’s Road to Zero Strategy said it wanted “almost every car and van” in the UK to be zero emission by 2050. However it was unclear which, if any, hybrid models were being included.

The committee said “zero should mean zero” and called for the government to bring forward “a clear, precise target for new sales of cars and vans to be truly zero emission by 2032”.

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Comments
  1. Graeme No.3 says:

    If “climate change” is so dangerous then politicians who believe this should be made to dance naked in churchyards on New Years Night. We can be sure of their commitment that way.

  2. saighdear says:

    Aye, sure, …. Are the Politico elite, etc there to Serve us or Force us to do things?
    1. What happened earlier this week? – REMEMBER ? Short memories ? TRAINS down and Chaos – no travelling, no work no sales no production by those affected. WHY? – N O E L E C T R I C I T Y ( power down)
    2.Foreseen if they get their way – SMart cars smart charging – “Sorry can’t use your car this now – we have to power up the grid and need your Car’s reserve to do this”
    3.Anyone noted wind / Solar generation this week ? not much cope when it was needed – THIS NOW 10am, COAL has to provide as much as the wind is producing – and the sun has only now risen into the clouds !
    4. What’s e daft bbc saying – I HATE having to listen to the rubbish on it….. In Germany now they are already talking about this nonsense – how so much Coal and lignite has to be mined to power electric cars – Brown Coal opencast mines there are requiring that old forests and Towns and villages are being torn up in this scramble for stupidity.
    5. bbc interviewing couple talking nonsense – Auto-Express guy – is HE in touch with reality at all?
    6. City people hardly need cars unless the train is down (?) but could go electric. Country folk NEED Oil fired cars( or gas).
    7. CARBON DIOXIDE is a plant food and does NOT realistically cause global warming, er climate change…… yes climate change – sounds better , ‘cos it’s not getting warmer, getting colder now again ……. ………….

    WHAT ? Spontaneous development of Mad Cow disease – maybe that’s what it was the first time ! whatever next ? Spontaneous Brexit, naw Clexit , naw ……………. ? COFFEE time

  3. saighdear says:

    Oh Man Jeremy Vine show ” … Going to xx in electric car and realises it can’t make it ( not enough available Vacant charge sockets) – prompts response from guest – “Train? ” Aye sure – dump car on side of road and jump in the train, OR Fold up the car and take it with you in the train ….
    About as dumb as the Blonde(e) with her Beetle at the service station and finds she has a spare engine in the boot nonsense…
    REMEMBER Train fiasco earlier this week ?

  4. Jim Clarke says:

    Zero Emissions? Are these vehicles going to be powered by a perpetual motion machine?
    Every time I hear someone call for this, I shake my head. There will always be some form of emissions involved in the production and distribution of energy. Put up a wind tower…Diesel powered trucks and cranes are needed to move and assemble these things, not to mention the energy costs and pollution involved in the manufacturing process. Solar just won’t cut it and neither will wind..

  5. saighdear says:

    Yes I know that too, Jim Clarke, don’t you think the Engineers in life and in the Motor Industry do too? -it’s all about having a Hunger for Compliance – the Gravy train. – somewhere around the Cesspool amin Pit !
    BBC Education dept and the OU – don’t THEY know that too and could shout out about it ?

  6. saighdear says:

    If Society is SERIOUS about a LOW Carbon footprint & CO2 emissions,
    1. Why don’t the windmill & Solar Installation companies use ELECTRIC equipment to do ALL THEIR work instead of adding to the footprint to produce those monuments to stupidity and greed?
    2. Re-write the text books about Energy for nothing and Perpetual motion etc

  7. Ve2 says:

    31,500,000 vehicle to be replaced over the next 30 years at Han average £4,000 a pop in subsidies – £126,000,000,000 without taking into account the loss of sales tax on ICE vehicles, probably a similar or greater amount.
    The loss of sales tax on petrol and diesel.
    Then there is the loss of export markets and the massive increase in infrastructure to provide the additional electricity.
    Do these idiots ever consider the ramifications of any of their brain fart ideas beyond ‘what feels good’

  8. Ve2 says:

    Jim Clark:
    Each wind turbine contains 168 tonnes of steel, try making that without using coal.
    Getting 700 tonnes of concrete to the site should be fun let alone excavating the hole it goes into.
    The roads required to get the material to the site and the erection of the whole damn thing.

  9. cognog2 says:

    Believe it or not but the BBC is actually allowing comments on this if you follow the link!!!
    Best keep the comments moderate and factual.
    Mine merely pointed out that it was a recipe for a major civil unrest situation. Flat dwellers denied mobility and the vulnerable affordable energy.

  10. oldbrew says:

    Not forgetting all the power lines needed to connect all the scattered wind turbines to the main grid system.

    Plus a few expensive interconnectors for the longer distances.
    http://www.westernhvdclink.co.uk

  11. Phoenix44 says:

    I don’t “invest” in an electric car. I might buy one, but since the price is likely to go down rather than up, where is the “investment”?

    I am so tired of politician using these weasel words to lie.

  12. spetzer86 says:

    When the UK electric grid goes up in flames some cold winter night when everyone tries charging their car and making tea at night, are you going to need all those castles and things?

  13. Ian W says:

    Every member of the Parliament’s business select committee should be required to use only electric vehicles for themselves and their immediate family. Anyone using an internal combustion engine driven car should be required to stand down from parliament. They will then be more aware of what they are asking. It is amazing how much people’s attitudes change when a requirement ceases to be theoretical and is applied directly to them. The same should apply to any other group of politicians or bureaucrats, as they wouldn’t want to be seen as hypocritical would they?

  14. saighdear says:

    Very good & Valid point, Ian W. , the politico get sooo many perks anyway, what’s another one – AND THEN they can lea by example – ie They and there are relatives should ALL use electric cars ALL the time to tell us the full story – not just for selective runs around town. Bring your Horse n kids to the local show. Be among the Goats there and PROVE how good it is, then, on the way home detour by Granny to show her the trophies and young goats, er, kids, and Take her out to dinner whilst the ‘arses ‘r feedin wi the pigs ….. gettin home in e wee sma’ oors, only tae finf that e Coos iv got Spotaneous Mad Coo disease an hiv tae’n tae flee’in in thae hills – Can ye jist see it – an the Lecky car his tae be connected tae the hoose fur tae put oan e electric blanket afore it supplies power tae e grid afore it can get a recharge to enable it tae transport thae wee bairnies back tae school
    Aye munn, come ashore, ye’re aff yer heids an singin oan e wrang branch!

  15. oldbrew says:

    Last year we were told:

    ‘Charging six electric cars at once could cause local power outages’
    https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/99246/charging-six-electric-cars-at-once-could-cause-local-power-outages

    How about six with some zeroes on the end? And make sure the house has a 100 amp main fuse if hoping to use a powerful charger.

  16. oldbrew says:

    The Widespread Social And Environmental Destruction Behind Electric Car Batteries And E-Mobility
    By P Gosselin on 19. October 2018

    German ZDF public television recently broadcast a report showing how electric cars are a far cry from being what they are all cracked up to be by green activists.

    http://notrickszone.com/2018/10/19/the-widespread-social-and-environmental-destruction-behind-electric-car-batteries-and-e-mobility/

    Surely the trustworthy Ministry of Truth aka the BBC will be keen to get hold of this shocking report – no?

  17. ivan says:

    oldbrew, the Ministry of Truth would never display, talk about or otherwise disseminate that report for fear of upsetting the Church of Climatology worshippers.

    I also noted that they didn’t mention in their report of the stupid politicians where all the electricity to charge and power all these electric cars was coming from – by very high voltage DC power grid from Chinese coal fired power stations or maybe even unicorn farts perhaps.

  18. J Martin says:

    Found on notrickszone that ADAC the German motoring organisation worked out that you would have to drive an electric car over half a million kilometers, 585,000 km to break even on co2 output against a diesel car. And who is going to do that in an electric car. So co2 output will increase, and if they power these things from wind and solar co2 output will increase even more.

    [reply] if they *don’t* power [etc] ?

  19. craigm350 says:

    Reblogged this on WeatherAction News and commented:
    A madman purposes we build an elevator to the moon made of cheese in 20 years. MP’s, with the collective IQ of “zero should mean zero” demand it tomorrow.

    “The average household is supplied with single phase electricity and is fitted with a main fuse of 60-80 amps,” the National Grid said.

    “If one were to use an above average power charger, say 11kW, this would require 48 amps. When using such a charger it would mean that you could not use other high demand electrical items… without tripping the house’s main fuse.”

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/08/23/dont-boil-the-kettle-while-charging-your-electric-car-because-it-will-blow-the-fuse-national-grid-warns/

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/07/15/national-grids-thoughts-on-evs/

  20. BoyfromTottenham says:

    Lots of references to ‘UK MPs’, but which party were these pollies from exactly? (Or don’t parties matter any more?) I know the Conservatives are pretty wet, but IMO it still makes a difference which side of the Speaker they sit, surely?

  21. Bitter@twisted says:

    Stark staring bonkers.
    Do the electorate actually know they are voting for this madness?

  22. Dave Ward says:

    @B&T – Considering that most of this lunacy stems from the Climate Change Act 2008 (which was vote through by all parties virtually unopposed), I don’t think it matters who we vote for…

  23. oldbrew says:

    They want ‘clean’ energy but we will all be clean broke from paying astronomical subsidies for ever.

    Don’t mention the rare earth metals mining :/

  24. waterside4 says:

    Visualise this, on a frosty winters night with snow and ice causing a 20 miles tail back on (for eg) the M25.
    The gritters (which the council borrowed from Scotland) cannot get through the traffic.
    5000 commuters are stranded in their electric cars for 10 hours.The batteries go flat, they cannot be recharged, the occupants quickly succomb to hypothermia, over 300 people die of cold related illnesses in a matter of hours.

    But but …. global warming … 1.5deg extra heat should surely solve the problem …right?

  25. oldbrew says:

    waterside – they could at least allow hybrids to have lawnmower engines with a small fuel tank in case of emergencies 😎

    Not one of these though…

  26. oldbrew says:

    22 Oct 2018, 12:31 pm | Julian Wettengel
    Merkel aims to change law to prevent diesel driving bans

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel, campaigning for her party ahead of the regional elections in the federal state of Hesse, said her government aims to amend existing legislation to prevent diesel driving bans in cities where nitrogen oxide limits are only slightly exceeded. “We believe that driving bans are generally not proportionate when limits are exceeded only marginally,” Merkel said at a press conference in Berlin

    https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/merkel-aims-change-law-prevent-diesel-driving-bans

    So maybe the limits were wrong to start with?

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