UK net zero emissions target will ‘cost more than £1 trillion’ 

Posted: June 6, 2019 by oldbrew in Emissions, Energy, government
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Sounds like the politics of the lunatic asylum, but here we are staring down the barrel of this nonsense on stilts. At the risk of endless repetition, we have to keep pointing out that most so-called greenhouse gas is not CO2 but water vapour, which can’t be made to vanish by government policies no matter how much ridiculous expense they try to insist on.

Britain’s chancellor Philip Hammond has warned Theresa May that her plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050 will cost the UK over £1tn, reports The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF).

In a letter to the prime minister seen by the Financial Times, the chancellor said the cost meant that less money would be available for schools, police, hospitals and other areas of public spending.

He also warned that the target would render some industries “economically uncompetitive” without huge government subsidies.

Mrs May, whose tenure as prime minister will end next month, is hoping the carbon emissions legislation will be one of her most important legacies after she leaves office.

The 2050 net zero target — one of the most ambitious in the world — was recommended by the Committee on Climate Change, the UK’s independent climate advisory body.

“Net zero” means that any emissions would be balanced by schemes to offset an equivalent amount of carbon from the atmosphere, such as planting trees or using technology.

Full article here.

Comments
  1. ivan says:

    Where is the new Cromwell when we need him?

  2. Dave Ward says:

    “Most so-called greenhouse gas is not CO2 but water vapour, which can’t be made to vanish by government policies “

    Neither can CO2 be made to vanish by government policies, which is just as well because we would all die…

  3. oldbrew says:

    Given that the UK has a very small percentage of world population, there’s a rather large problem here…

    We need more scarce metals and elements to reach the UK’s greenhouse gas goals
    To meet UK electric car targets for 2050, we would need just under twice the current annual world cobalt production.

    The Committee on Climate Change, an independent body that advises the government, has recommended a new emissions target for the UK – reaching net-zero greenhouse gases by 2050.

    To achieve this, it is likely that all cars and vans on the roads in the UK will need to be electric by 2050.

    However, achieving this revolution in the way we travel will require a huge amount of resources, including metals. Supplies of some of these metals will need to increase dramatically.

    https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2019/june/we-need-more-metals-and-elements-reach-uks-greenhouse-goals.html
    – – –
    When demand exceeds supply, prices soar.

  4. ivan says:

    oldbrew, not only would they need more of the specialised metals but there is also the big problem with the car batteries when they are fast charged.
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/06/05/liion_battery_scan_charging/ and
    https://purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2019/Q2/most-detailed-x-ray-image-of-batteries-yet-to-reveal-why-they-still-arent-good-enough.html

    This zero emissions idea sounds more like one of Baldrick’s cunning plans and is therefore futile.

  5. cognog2 says:

    Dave Ward:

    I take your point but water in fact provides a net negative feedback to GHGs not positive as claimed by the IPCC. Water is a GHG only where no phase change takes place. Otherwise, at phase change absorbed energy gets converted into Latent Heat at constant temperature thus no GHE and infact the opposite when the resulting buoyancy and upward energy movement is taken into account.
    Without water we really would get roasted.

  6. oldbrew says:

    Of course water vapour (gas) and water (liquid or solid) are not the same thing.

    Unlike other forms of water, water vapor is invisible.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_vapor
    – – –
    we would need just under twice the current annual world cobalt production.

    So we can forget that as a way forward.

  7. stpaulchuck says:

    the Satanic Gas, CO2 is figured to be about 3.5% of all the GW gases. Of all the CO2 produced on the planet, humans are figured to be about 4% or less of it. So if we just erased all humans from the planet we’d cut GW gas production by 0.035 x 0.04 = 0.0014 or 0.14%.

    The acolytes of the Church of Global Warming say that we will (not very) likely heat the planet by some 3 to 4 degrees. Taking the higher value, eliminating humans would throttle that by 0.0014 x 4, or about 0.0056 degrees.

    I don’t think the polar bears would notice.

  8. pochas94 says:

    Not only will it cost a trillion, but money will become worthless when the lights go out.

  9. edhoskins says:

    When will people realise that any CO2 reduction policy should also be seen in a longer-term context:
    · The modern short pulse of beneficial Global warming stopped 20 years ago and recent global temperatures are now stable or declining.
    · According to reliable Ice Core records the last millennium 1000 – 2000 AD was the coldest of our current Holocene interglacial and the world had already been cooling quite rapidly since before Roman times, in fact since ~1000 BC.
    · At 11,000 years old, our Holocene interglacial, responsible for all man-kind’s advances, from living in caves to microprocessors, is coming to its end.
    · The weather gets worse in colder times.
    · The world will very soon, (on a geological time scale), revert to a true glaciation, again eventually resulting in mile high ice sheets over New York.

    The prospect of even moving in a cooling direction is something to be truly scared about, both for the biosphere and for man-kind.

    Spending any effort, let alone GDP scale costs, trying to stop the UK’s 1% of something that has not been happening for 3 millennia seems monumentally stupid.

    https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/global-man-made-co2-emissions-1965-2018-bp-data/
    https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/holocene-context-for-catastrophic-anthropogenic-global-warming/

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