This looks timely as predictions of the possibly imminent – or not – start of solar cycle 25 jockey for position, so to speak. Is there a new and better method here?
In a pair of new papers, scientists paint a picture of how solar cycles suddenly die, potentially causing tsunamis of plasma to race through the Sun’s interior and trigger the birth of the next sunspot cycle only a few short weeks later, reports EurekAlert.
The new findings provide insight into the mysterious timing of sunspot cycles, which are marked by the waxing and waning of sunspot activity on the solar surface.
While scientists have long known that these cycles last approximately 11 years, predicting when one cycle ends and the next begins has been challenging to pin down with any accuracy. The new research could change that.
In one of the studies, which relies on nearly 140 years of solar observations from the ground and space, the scientists are able to identify “terminator” events that clearly mark the end of a sunspot cycle.
With an understanding of what to look for in the run up to these terminators, the authors predict that the current solar cycle (Solar Cycle 24) will end in the first half of 2020, kicking off the growth of Solar Cycle 25 very shortly after.
In a second study, motivated by the first, scientists explore the mechanism for how a terminator event could trigger the start of a new sunspot cycle using a sophisticated computer model. The resulting simulations show that “solar tsunamis” could provide the connection and explain the Sun’s remarkably rapid transition from one cycle to the next.
Both studies were led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR).
“The evidence for terminators has been hidden in the observational record for more than a century, but until now, we didn’t know what we were looking for,” said NCAR scientist Scott McIntosh, who directs the center’s High Altitude Observatory and worked on both studies. “By combining such a wide variety of observations over so many years, we were able to piece together these events and provide an entirely new look at how the Sun’s interior drives the solar cycle.”
The research was funded by the National Science Foundation, which is NCAR’s sponsor, NASA’s Living with a Star program, and the Indo-US Joint Networked R&D Center.
Flickers of light reveal mysteries
Sunspot cycles are born after solar minimum, a period when the face of the Sun is quiet. As the cycle continues, more and more sunspots emerge, first appearing at about 35 degrees latitude in both hemispheres and slowly marching toward the equator over a decade before they fade again into the next solar minimum. The rough midpoint of this progression is solar maximum, when sunspots are the most abundant.
Predicting the timing of sunspot evolution is a major scientific goal, in part because sunspot activity is tied to the solar storms that can disrupt Earth’s upper atmosphere and affect GPS signals, power grids, and other critical technologies. But such predictions have proven challenging.
For example, the Sun is currently in a solar minimum. Scientist know the relative peace means that the current solar cycle is wrapping up, but it has been difficult to say whether the new cycle will begin in a few months or a few years. McIntosh and his colleagues think their studies can provide more clarity, both into the timing of cycles and also into what drives the cycles themselves.
The researchers began by studying the movement of coronal bright points – ephemeral flickers of extreme ultraviolet light in the solar atmosphere. By observing bright points, which occur even in the relative calm of a solar minimum, the scientists think they have gained a more complete view of the solar cycle than if they focused only on sunspot activity.
The bright points first appear at higher latitudes than sunspots (around 55 degrees) and migrate toward the equator at approximately 3 degrees latitude per year, reaching the equator after a couple decades. The paths traced by the bright points overlap with sunspot activity in the mid-latitudes (around 35 degrees) until they both reach the equator and disappear. This disappearance, which the researchers call a terminator event, is followed very shortly after with a large burst of bright point activity at the mid-latitudes, marking the beginning of the next sunspot cycle.
In the new study that identifies terminator events, published in the journal Solar Physics, the scientists corroborate the bright point observations with a number of other observations from a variety of spacecraft- and ground-observing facilities stretching back over 13 solar cycles.
“We were able to identify these terminators by looking at data from a whole range of different measures of solar activity – magnetic fields, spectral irradiance, radio flux – in addition to the bright points,” said University of Maryland scientist Bob Leamon, a co-author of the paper who is also a researcher at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center. “The results demonstrate that you really need to be able to step back and use all the available data to appreciate how things work – not just one spacecraft or one observation or one model.”
Tsunami connections
McIntosh and his team have identified that coronal bright points allow them to better “see” the solar cycle unfolding. But why does the sunspot cycle start surging in the mid-latitudes a few weeks after the terminator?
The paper on solar tsunamis, led by NCAR scientist Mausumi Dikpati and published in Scientific Reports, explores the possible mechanisms behind the observations.
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“In the next year, we should have a unique opportunity to extensively observe a terminator event as it unfolds and then to watch the launch of Sunspot Cycle 25,” McIntosh said. “We believe the results, especially if the terminator arrives when predicted, could revolutionize our understanding of the solar interior and the processes that create sunspots and shape the sunspot cycle.”
Quote: “ The results demonstrate that you really need to be able to step back and use all the available data to appreciate how things work”.
How true. Just wish this would be applied to the climate debate. Without stepping back and giving detailed consideration to the the behaviour of WATER there is no way it can be appreciated how the climate works.
The belief that water provides a positive feedback to the GHE is nonsense. I cannot think how this conclusion could have been reached other than by ignoring the physics of water phase change.
The True Terminator
“using a sophisticated computer model”
generates a tsunami of suspicion – and a smirk
I totally agree with the referenced quote”…you really need to be able to step back and use all the available data to appreciate how things work”. The scientists need to step back far enough to see that the solar system is indeed a system; it includes the Sun and all the planets. Looking at the Sun as an independent entity seems to be the modus operandi of many stellar astrophysicists and likely why they don’t fully understand the workings of the polar fields and plasma. Adding in gravitational and electromagnetic forces acting on the Sun from the outside will undoubtedly fill in the gaps of understanding of what motivates the cyclic timing of the “tsunami”.
Personally, I’m waiting to see if an electromagnetic (EM) connection between the Sun, Jupiter and Saturn along the Parker Spiral sometime in mid to late next year is the prime motivating force kicking off the next cycle.
Could this dual syzygy at the same time as an EM connection on the Parker Spiral happening in late October, 2020 provide the energy required to kick off Solar Cycle 25? It could conceivably happen a few months earlier (July?) as the EM connection starts to be made and the angular momentum force accumulates.
It looks suspiciously similar to what kicked off Solar Cycle 14:
This upcoming EM connection occurs just as the accumulated Torque on the Sun from the dual syzygies, falls off precipitously, so both tidal and EM forces could be at play!

I’m taking a wait and see attitude (tidal force, EMF, both?), but I’m certain that planetary forces are at play.
Greg step back a little maybe cycle 25 has already started as indicated by Miles Mathis
Who decides what the start of a solar cycle looks like?
GregG says: July 24, 2019 at 9:19 pm
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Just prior to the start of solar cycle 20, which at the time was the longest SC since SC 14, we had this planetary syzygy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_cycles
A testable prediction:
With an understanding of what to look for in the run up to these terminators, the authors predict that the current solar cycle (Solar Cycle 24) will end in the first half of 2020, kicking off the growth of Solar Cycle 25 very shortly after.
A bit vague perhaps, but will the ‘tsunami’ occur?
It seemed that in 2019 a cycle of 25 was developing, however in June again the stream of 10.7 cm fell, which indicates a decrease in the activity of sunspots.
https://spaceweather.gc.ca/solarflux/sx-5-mavg-en.php
Comparison of UV solar activity in the three most recent solar cycles (SC) 22-24. The thick curves show the Mg II index timeseries twice smoothed with a 55-day boxcar. Dates of minima of solar cycles (YYYYMMDD) were determined from the smoothed Mg II index.

Daily and monthly sunspot number (last 13 years)

Daily sunspot number (yellow), monthly mean sunspot number (blue), smoothed monthly sunspot number (red) for the last 13 years and 12-month ahead predictions of the monthly smoothed sunspot number:
SC (red dots) : prediction method based on an interpolation of Waldmeier’s standard curves; It is only based on the sunspot number series.
CM (red dashes) : method (from K. Denkmayr and P. Cugnon) combining a regression technique applied to the sunspot number series with the aa geomagnetic index used as a precursor (improved predictions during the minimum phase between solar cycles).
cementafriend says: July 25, 2019 at 2:30 am
A problem for Miles Mathis is that the Sun still has too many sunspot-free days for a new cycle to be called – 65% so far this year.
Spotless Days
Current Stretch: 1 day
2019 total: 133 days (65%)
2018 total: 221 days (61%)
http://spaceweather.com/archive.php [date = July 24, 2019]
cementafriend says: July 25, 2019 at 2:30 am
“Greg step back a little maybe cycle 25 has already started as indicated by Miles Mathis”
Yes, I hear you. SC25 could start at any moment and may have already started because you don’t really know until you look backwards a few months. However, looking backwards a few months still shows very few SC25 sunspots. Sunspots are not appearing consistently with the appropriate magnetic alignment and at high latitude.
HERE’S MY BEST GUESS (with help from Gerry):
If we compare SC24 with other cycles of similar magnitude, SC14 looks very similar.
Note that SC14 started at a relatively steep angle and then tapered off into a long tail.
Considering that SC14 was over 140 months long, we can see the possibility of SC24 lasting until mid 2020.
We don’t really know what kicks off the next solar cycle. I was hypothesizing that planetary alignments creating spikes in Torque and electromagnetic connections between J-S and the Sun might be the cause.
Here’s the alignment that may have kicked off SC14:
Again, here’s the alignment that might kick of SC25 if it doesn’t happen earlier:
GregG at least you recognise what Miles Mathis has been saying since 2014 that the alignment of planets have a bearing on solar cycles. He used the following site http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar to confirm his analyses of different solar cycles.
I find it interesting what might happened in June-July 2020. Click UTC instead of now and put in say 2020-07-01 and update. The alignment is not there if you put in 2020-10-10. I can not remember what Miles said about quiet and active periods but right now (a quite period the inner planets are all over the place and offsetting some of the outer planets. At the end of June 2020 only Uranus and Neptune are not in line but are on the within the half circle of the other planets which are in line. That date could be the start of cycle 25 or some 20 months after the start (as I think Miles predicted) where there is a rapid increase of sunspots. Miles made a prediction in 2014 and wrote a confirming paper on 29th Apr 2019 using the Fourmilab site.
Interested in your and REN’s comments.
The 24/25 minimum has not occurred yet, that’s 100% sure. One just needs to look at the latest (2019/07) butterfly diagrams to see it.


There is still NO sign of the cycle 25 butterfly yet, and that is the absolutely necessary requirement. Sunspots need to start appearing and ramping up at the right latitudes.
Software like Fourmilab and the Solar simulator can be useful but can’t do 3D.
More research…
Sun’s Puzzling Plasma Recreated in a Laboratory
The twisting loops of the sun’s magnetic field control the flow of charged particles throughout the solar system. For the first time, researchers have created a scale model of this mysterious environment.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/suns-puzzling-plasma-recreated-in-a-laboratory-20190729/
Quote: the team was able to successfully re-create the shape of the Parker spiral, as they describe in a paper published today in Nature Physics.
This visualization of a computer model simulation shows a solar tsunami, which is initiated at the equator. As the tsunami travels toward the poles it buoys the toroidal magnetic fields (white lines) traveling deeper in the solar interior. As these bands are lifted to the surface, they erupt as sunspots on the solar surface. (©UCAR. Visualization: Mausumi Dikpati, NCAR. This animation is freely available for media & nonprofit use.)
news.ucar.edu/132675/terminators-sun-trigger-plasma-tsunamis-and-start-new-solar-cycles