
Some expensive ways of trying to ‘solve’ a non-existent problem, namely reducing the amount (currently about 0.04%) of the vital trace gas CO2 in the atmosphere, which gets spuriously linked to pollution. These proposed so-called solutions usually turn out to be not sufficiently ‘mature’ or ‘advanced’ – yet – suggesting it’s only a matter of time, or is that wishful thinking?
P2X, P2Y, PtG, PtL, power-to-gas… These somewhat cryptic terms stand for energy conversion processes that can be used to store surplus power from renewable sources and help meet climate targets.
But whether they will actually reduce emissions depends on many different factors, EURACTIV Germany reports.
Detractors of renewable energies often make the point that they are intermittent sources of electricity: solar panels and wind turbines need sunshine or strong winds to generate power at full capacity.
This is why storing surplus electricity production at times of high output is seen as key to stabilise renewable energy production.
And Power-to-X (PtX) technologies could be just the right solution to do this.
PtX: a storing technology
Behind Power-to-X (PtX or P2X) are various energy conversion technologies that can be used to store power surpluses from renewable energy sources.
P stands for power, while X stands for the type of energy into which the electricity surplus is being converted – gases, liquids or heat – for storage. These are known as power-to-gas (PtG), power-to-heat (PtH) or power-to-liquid (PtL). Meanwhile, the Y in P2Y stands for the possible end uses for the energy thus obtained.
Researchers and politicians attribute particular attention to the process in which electricity is converted into hydrogen gas. This is PtG, where hydrogen is obtained by splitting water into oxygen and hydrogen through electrolysis.
While most hydrogen today is produced from natural gas – a fossil fuel that emits CO2 when burned – that process can be made almost entirely emissions-free by using renewable electricity as the source. Artificially-produced hydrogen could thus ensure that the gas industry becomes environmentally-friendly in the future.
Besides, it could also be used for heating, the propulsion of aircraft or ships, or even to further process it into fuels such as synthetic diesel or petrol (e-fuels).
What are the issues?
The main issue is that converting electricity into hydrogen implies energy losses. And the process is only as clean as the electricity that is being used to produce the hydrogen in the first place.
In a worst case scenario, a car running on hydrogen obtained from coal-based electricity will probably end up polluting more than a petrol or diesel car.
That is why environmentalists are calling for safeguards to ensure the promotion of artificially-produced hydrogen doesn’t end up harming the environment.
But their criticism doesn’t stop here. Often, hydrogen is converted into synthetic methane – or natural gas – which can be injected straight into the gas grid for use in industrial processes. However, this requires adding CO2 to the hydrogen. And at present, that CO2 is mainly obtained from fossil fuels such as coal, crude oil or natural gas.
Green alternatives do exist in theory but none are really satisfactory or mature yet. Wood-based-CO2 production, for example, is not considered sustainable because it causes deforestation.
And while sucking CO2 from the air is conceivable in theory, the technology — known as direct air capture or DAC — is not sufficiently advanced yet.
Full article here.






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If you want lots of CO2 to react with hydrogen then start with natural gas; steam reforming of methane produces lots of CO2 and hydrogen.
Of course it might be cheaper to use natural gas as the fuel, also safer and a bit easier to handle.
These gullible fools are getting out of hand. NO idea of current processes, nor economics, nor thermodynamics, just wishful “thinking”. Even a politician couldn’t do worse.
Wood-based-CO2 production, for example, is not considered sustainable because it causes deforestation.
But biomass from trees is good?
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Another ‘green’ dream?
AUGUST 20, 2019
Pollution-free hydrogen: green energy breakthrough?
“Low-cost hydrogen from oil fields with no emissions can power the whole world using mostly existing infrastructure,” Grant Stem, CEO of Proton Technologies, which is commercialising the extraction method, told AFP.
“This is the silver bullet for clean energy and clean climate.”
https://techxplore.com/news/2019-08-pollution-free-hydrogen-green-energy-breakthrough.html
Aren’t they all – and what’s a ‘clean climate’?
Those that want a hydrogen economy should be the ones to live with it exclusively for ten years. If they survive without being blown up it might be considered for general use.
The thermodynamic laws MUST be obeyed. That puts most, if not all, these schemes in the bin.
“They don’t work” is the answer to that particular question.