Bristol Council votes to ban diesel cars from 2021

Posted: November 7, 2019 by oldbrew in Emissions, News, Politics, pollution, Travel

Bristol’s urban area population of 724,000 is the 8th-largest in the UK, says Wikipedia. Diesel owners don’t have long to get rid of their cars, convert them to another fuel or find another method of transport if they need to get into town to work, shop or anything else during the day, after March 2021 – unless the next government decides to step in and save them.

Under the plan, all privately-owned diesel vehicles will be banned from entering it every day between 7am and 3pm by March 2021
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Bristol is set to become the first city in the UK to ban diesel cars as part of its efforts to improve air quality, reports Energy Live News.

The city council’s Cabinet approved its plans for the Clean Air Zone in the city centre, under which all privately owned diesel vehicles will be banned from entering it every day between 7am and 3pm by March 2021.

It includes part of the M32, the old city, Redcliffe, Spike Island, the Harbourside and part of Hotwells.

Those vehicles that enter the zone within the stated time will incur fines, with the exception of taxis and emergency services.

Source here.

  1. A C Osborn says:

    How to kill off a dying City Centre.
    The comments on the articles I have read about it are very revealing.

  2. rikstarling says:

    From the 1990s on, Europe encouraged the purchase of diesel cars through tax breaks and other incentives.

  3. oldbrew says:

    The last line of the full report says:
    The proposals are now subject to government approval and consultation with local residents and businesses.

    700,000 local residents? Don’t think so 🤔

  4. BoyfromTottenham says:

    Wikipedia says ‘The majority of public transport users in the Bristol urban area are transported by bus..’. I presume these buses are diesel-powered. Is this ‘one rule for thee, but not for me’?

  5. Phil Salmon says:

    I worked in Bristol for a decade in the 80’s-90’s. Hate the city, full of crashing snobs. People living in Clifton are particularly arrogant and smug and even call themselves “Cliftians”.

    Thanks Bristol for giving me a good reason – as if I needed one – never to visit that wretched place again.

    Next March I take delivery of a new diesel SUV, lots of lovely smoke and particles, suck that up and like it!

  6. oldbrew says:

    If Santiago can afford 400 electric buses maybe Bristol could stretch to a few. Then again someone has to pay for them.

  7. Gamecock says:

    That was my thought, A C Osborn.

    “Screw ’em, I just won’t go there anymore.”

  8. How come so many stupid people are elected. Maybe it is the UK system of optional voting and first past the post. It can so easily be manipulated. H*tler in Germany was elected by such a system. If 4 people stand and less than 50% of eligible voters turn up one can get elected with less than 15%. This gives a chance for Asian” crooks and environmental activists to get elected into a position of influence especially if they cheat with ballot papers. UK needs compulsory voting, a preferential voting system, elections every three years (so the crooks can be chucked out quickly), and those standing for election restricted to those that can demonstrate that they have a minimum backing of 10% of eligible voters. There should be no tax deductions or public money for anyone getting less than 5% of eligible votes.

  9. Dodgy Geezer says:

    “How come so many stupid people are elected. Maybe it is the UK system of optional voting and first past the post. It can so easily be manipulated. H*tler in Germany was elected by such a system. …”

    Err…no. Germany in the 1930s had a proportional representation system. He achieved nearly 50% of the popular vote – by a mixture of electioneering and violence, but nevertheless he did very well. And later became a full dictator by going into coalition with another small party, which is a classic proportional representation technique.

    Your proposals would result in complete electoral chaos with no one able to govern, followed by a single-party coalition state of the kind which is common in the EU.

  10. oldbrew says:

    Your proposals would result in complete electoral chaos with no one able to govern

    Northern Ireland has a form of PR. No Assembly (parliament) for best part of three years…

    The Assembly is in a period of suspension, after it collapsed in January 2017 due to policy disagreements between its power-sharing leadership

  11. Phoenix44 says:

    Huge disruption and cost and not a single life saved. But be prepared for cherry-picked data that claims thousands saved, as per the absurd Scottish smoking ban.

  12. Adam Gallon says:

    cementafriend, you think that compulsory voting with improve things?
    If somebody can’t be arsed to vote now, why will being forced to vote improve their sense of public duty? Why will they suddenly take an interest in politics, read each candidate’s manifesto?
    Here’s my take on it. “I’m forced to vote, OK, I’ll turn up, get my name ticked off the electoral roll, get my ballot paper, take it into the voting booth, draw a picture of a cock & balls on it, fold it up & pop it into the ballot box”
    UK, no compulsion to vote, Australia compulsary. $20 fine unless you can give good reason you didn’t vote.
    The UK, has a spoilt ballot rate of about 0.3%, Australia 5%.
    “Donkey voting”, where the voter just writes their 1,2,3… preferences exactly like that, no interest in the candidates, or their policies. Around 2% in Australia. (UK’s usually just vote for one person) Arguably more of a problem, than a spoilt ballot. Spoilt ballots don’t count, Donkey votes do. Make sure your candidate’s name is one of these!

  13. A C Osborn says:

    Adam, at least with compulsory voting and spoilt votes you get a better count of the disaffected, in the UK you never know if them not voting is because of apathy, laziness or disaffection with the “system”.
    After Brexit there is going to be a lot of the latter.

  14. Damian says:

    Get the MPs to line up atop town hall, then everybody sticks a feather to the candidate they want, And then they all jump off.

  15. Coeur de Lion says:

    How come that my 2016 Citroen Picasso diesel with urea exhaust additive only pays £20 per year car tax? Can’t be very bad, can it?

  16. oldbrew says:

    UK road tax system changed in 2017/18, so it’s now about £145 per year for ‘standard’ cars after first year. Only applies to cars that were sold as new after the change though.

  17. Don Keiller says:

    I hope someone makes a legal challenge against this arbitrary and irrational proposal. Euro 6 compliant diesels are much less polluting than many petrol cars that will not be banned.
    I think such a challenge would succeed.

  18. Gamecock says:

    Gamecock has two vehicles that are over 15 years old. Important because the tax office says all vehicles over 15 years old have no value, hence pay only a nominal tax.

    If you come to America, you will see very old FedEx and UPS trucks on the road – well maintained antiques. Reason being, they pay virtually no property tax.

  19. oldbrew says:

    For Britons, Petrol Vehicles Top List For Next Car Purchase
    Date: 08/11/19 Fleet Point

    Despite the environment being the biggest driver for switching to an electric vehicle, new research by digital transformation agency, Somo, has identified that the interest in petrol vehicles is not declining.

    In fact, over half would consider purchasing a petrol engine vehicle next, and, surprisingly, a quarter are still considering diesel engines.

    In an independent survey of 2000 UK drivers all looking to change vehicles within the next 12 months, and as part of a white paper titled ‘Driving mass adoption of electric cars: are customers ready to switch?’, only a third surveyed said they would actually consider moving to an electric car, owing to a number of concerns around practicality.
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    Another report said the cost of batteries needed to be cut by half to get sales moving. IIRC only 20% of new cars go to private buyers anyway, the rest mainly to businesses, public bodies, leasing firms etc.

  20. Gamecock says:

    Why would an ‘independent survey’ trump actual sales?

    ‘only a third surveyed said they would actually consider moving to an electric car’

    Irrelevant. With actual sales being ONE TENTH of that.

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