Appeals for a rapid energy transition at Davos thwarted – by Copper and Cobalt

Posted: January 26, 2020 by tallbloke in solar system dynamics

Oh. Ah.

Peddling and Scaling God and Darwin

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At the World Economic Forum in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, there seemed to be spat between Greta and Donald though they did not meet.

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As far as I can see one is “Drill, baby, drill”. and the other is stop using oil now i.e yesterday.

This article highlights the issues oil companies face, which are considerable.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-oil/oil-industry-in-davos-torn-between-greta-and-trump-idUSKBN1ZM1Z6

The end is most interesting as it lays out the problems of going renewable ASAP along with electric cars. The obstacles to the energy transition are not the amount of wind or sun, or whether devices can be made to trap the energy, or the design of electric vehicles. The technology may be available now, but that does not make it possible.

It boils down to the availability of the metals required to do this. Here Richard Herrington just mentions cobalt and Copper

Richard Herrington, head of earth sciences at…

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  1. C,Alvin Scott says:

    Hi I think the biggest factor in the rare earths is Nickel. apparently there was a surplus and the RoI was not there to set up new mines. The Investment adviser was clear, it takes 7 – 8 years from scratch to get to production so BEVs have got a hold up and higher costs

  2. As I used to be an exploration geologist for Copper this statement attracted my attention.

  3. oldbrew says:

    It boils down to the availability of the metals required to do this.

    That’s one issue. Others include the intermittency of wind, the part-time nature of solar, and the vast surface area of the planet needed for them on the scale envisaged by the fanatics.

    And that’s by no means the whole list. This sums it up…

    Bill Gates Slams Unreliable Wind & Solar: ‘Let’s Quit Jerking Around With Renewables & Batteries’
    https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2019/02/18/bill-gates-slams-unreliable-wind-solar-lets-quit-jerking-around-with-renewables-batteries/

  4. stpaulchuck says:

    oldbrew, that statement by Gates floored me when it came out. He and his wife are liberal moonbats who get hooked into any and all sorts of lunacy that needs money – theirs. So when he made that public affirmation of the stupidity of windmills and solar I was thrown right off.

    It is not JUST the precious metals. There was an article on this site if I recall correctly pointing out the MASSIVE amounts of concrete, steel, and aluminum to build all that “green” (as in the color of the money) power. Then there’s the relatively short life cycle of these things and the (once again) massive costs to recycle and/or dump the worn out windmills and solar panels along with the environmental impact of the often poisonous materials.

    I’ve got a list of 36 ‘green’ energy companies that went belly up taking billions of dollars with them into the pockets of friends in low places. Nothing more than a robber baron parade of scams to fleece the naive, gullible tax payers.

  5. oldbrew says:

    World oil consumption is presently about 100 million barrels a DAY and rising. Add vast amounts of coal and gas – renewables can never make much of a dent in it all.

    Also, worldwide consumption of energy is rising every year. Estimated to increase 50% by 2050 (double in Asia).
    https://dieselgasturbine.com/world-energy-use-to-double-by-2050/

    Wind turbines themselves aren’t renewable. They may last 15-25 years if you’re lucky, and their massive concrete bases can’t be re-used either as turbines get bigger.

  6. Dave Ward says:

    http://www.thegwpf.com/electric-vehicle-sales-fall-despite-a-proliferation-of-new-models/

    I can see major failures in the car industry within the next 10 years. What an absurd situation: A bunch of ignorant activists (and their gullible poster child) “demand” action based on false science. Governments fall over themselves to bring in impossible reduction targets for a harmless gas. Conventional car sales stutter as a result. Car manufacturers rush to bring out new electric versions, which (surprise, surprise) don’t have the range and convenience people are used to. And those people don’t buy many overpriced BEV’s as a result!

    “You couldn’t make it up”, as Richard Littlejohn likes to say…

  7. oldbrew says:

    GWPF: “The number of battery-electric models available more than doubled last year, but EV sales didn’t budge much. That’s troubling,” the head of the automotive practice at consulting firm AlixPartners, Mark Wakefield said.

    ‘Build it and they will come’ doesn’t apply to EVs. Selling at a loss looks like the only way they’re going to shift the surplus output.

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