Mandatory climate change classes plan for Scottish leaders

Posted: April 26, 2020 by oldbrew in climate, Politics

A case of the blind leading the blind?

MSPs, business leaders and newly enrolled university students may be asked to take mandatory climate change studies if plans currently under consideration are adopted, reports The Herald.

The studies would help arm them with facts and knowledge to make urgent changes to society as it emerges from COVID-19 lockdown.

The Scottish Government has already committed to enrolling at least 100 senior officials to the Climate Solutions course.

The news comes just days before Tuesday’s one-year anniversary of Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon declaring a climate emergency.

The course was devised by experts at the Perth-based Royal Scottish Geographical Society in partnership with the Institute of Directors, Stirling University’s Business School and the University of Edinburgh’s Centre for Carbon Innovation.

Among the main areas the course looks at are issues around transport, energy use, supply chains, social behaviours, mitigation and planning for the future.

Former UN executive secretary on climate change Christiana Figueres who brokered the Paris Agreement, former Bank of England Governor Mark Carney who is now UN special envoy on climate action and finance and ex Irish President Mary Robinson who set up a climate justice foundation, are among heavyweight names lending their support.

The man behind the idea, RSGS chief executive Mike Robinson, said a number of business leaders have already committed to undertake the course along with the Scottish Government, with further discussions to ensure new university students and MSPs can take part well-underway.

The studies are aimed at filling the gaps in knowledge, on a scientific and factual basis, with a focus on developing a structured plan. Online modules are live now, with the first planned workshop to be held in June.

He insists business leaders – and the farming community in particular – will play a key role in deciding future outcomes.

Full report here.

  1. Gamecock says:

    They could better use courses in finance, business and accounting.

    ‘MSPs, business leaders and newly enrolled university students may be asked to take mandatory climate change studies’

    Asked? Mandatory? Wut?

    The people elected the MSPs. Democracy and all that. That those the people selected must be indoctrinated is antidemocratic. The people picked them as they are. The state endeavoring to change them is outrageous.

  2. ivan says:

    filling the gaps in knowledge, on a scientific and factual basis

    Oh dear, if that actually happened the results would be the exact opposite of the intended outcome is supposed to be.

    Unfortunately this will be nothing more than an attempt at indoctrination by the UN Church of Climatology and will end up with a greater drain on the pockets of the English taxpayers since Scotland is broke, but green Boris will support this and I expect he will try it on in England – how soon before the revolution?

  3. Curious George says:

    Pure Communism.

  4. Paul Vaughan says:

    Facts 16 figures EU just won’t believe:

    1. I have NEVER heard Donald Trump’s voice.
    2. I have never seen a video of 9/11 attacks.
    3. The last time I saw a video clip of a hospital scene was 13-20 years ago (I can’t even remember) and it was probably fiction.

    173804.274916781 = 2*(11*7*5*3*2)/(1/13-(1/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)+1/(7*5*3)^(1/4))/8)

    Would EU find this more believable?
    96.5% of the leadership and workforce in industries deemed “essential” is controlled by 3.5%.

    Let us pray.

  5. Paul Vaughan says:

    Why did we let our own pets — the lovable pets we generously keep comfy nearly cradle-to-grave in the civil service with our hard-earned tax donations — ban our access to nature?

    Answer (posed as a quest UN) :
    So we’re left believing a borg simulation can be trusted?

    Who’s EngUNnearUN Life in Hell?
    8472 more guesses:

    1. british empire
    2. rogue faction of indian government
    — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – —
    173804.274916781 = 2*(11*7*5*3*2)/(1/13-(1+(13*11)^(1/4))/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)/8)
    — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – — – —
    3. us military
    4. [non or] all of [AB use sieve?] “allies” ABove in concert: “There’s a lot of people saying we’d be BETTER OFF DEAD” — Kneel Young “Keep on Rockin’ in the [UN]free world”

    Control is not by vote-count in a communist democracy with 2 “mature” parties. If the vote counts go in the “wrong” direction, “leadership” (a creepy concept) aims for the same destination by a different course.

    A good person won’t but SatUN’s hungry eyes seize every opportunity for misrepresentation, misunderstanding, and misinterpretation.

    Guitar Less UNs

    Floating a conspiracy theory affords face-saving dismissal by the masses while the signal of mistrust registers for a few worthwhile luminaries. 16 figures the tar get audience is 3.5%.

  6. oldbrew says:

    further discussions to ensure new university students and MSPs can take part well-underway.

    Scotland – kissing goodbye to climate sanity.

  7. gbaikie says:

    Any basic class on global climate should explain that we are currently in Ice Age and we have been in this cold period for millions of years. And Earth has been in much warmer ages, during the last 1/2 billion years of Earth’s history.
    And that within last 50 years or so, there has increased understanding that Earth surface is not static, but rather the theory of Plate Tectonic indicates continental land masses and ocean basins shift over long periods of time. That ocean sea floor is quite thin and quite young- roughly, less then 200 million years old and continental land masses are quite thick and can billions of years old.
    And that continental masses which are on tectonic plates can collide {as India continent is currently colliding with Asia continent} and continents can pull/slide apart {as with Africa and it’s Great Rift Valley or another example is the San Andreas Fault]. Another example is the Antarctic continent over last 50 million year moving toward the South Pole and that Antarctic continent is currently at the South Pole, is thought to be significant factor of why we in an Ice Age.

    During our Ice Age there periods time with more glaciation, which called glacial periods, and shorter periods of time called interglacial periods and such different global climates within our Ice Age are thought it related and caused by variations of Earth’s orbit around the Sun, and these called Milankovitch cycles:
    “Milankovitch cycles describe the collective effects of changes in the Earth’s movements on its climate over thousands of years. The term is named for Serbian geophysicist and astronomer Milutin Milanković. In the 1920s, he hypothesized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession resulted in cyclical variation in the solar radiation reaching the Earth, and that this orbital forcing strongly influenced climatic patterns on Earth.”
    And this less than 100 year old theory is similarly a new theory like the Plate tectonics is:

    I would say such new theories have yet to provide specific answers in regards global climate, other they would involve important mechanisms shaping global climate and the involve very long time periods {in comparison to relatively short lifetimes of humans}.

    One could assume, the answer of why we are living in an Ice Age, is likely to related to these new scientific theories. Or as said the location of Antarctica continent, is regarded as one factor and the collision of India continent with Asia continent and creation the Himalayas is another of many factors.

    But it seems to me, on quite simple level, global climate is controlled by temperature of the entire ocean. Or we in Ice Age, because we have a cold ocean. Or, if our ocean was warm, we would not be in an Ice Age. And then one could ask, what cooled our ocean, millions of years ago, and what keeps it cold in our present time.
    And it seems to me, that for Milankovitch cycles to play significant role, it must be related to how the
    Milankovitch cycles effect the planet’s ocean.

    And some regard Milankovitch cycles and the amount of greenhouse gases as playing a role in glacial and interglacial periods, and those who think greenhouse gases plays a role also think that about 90% of the effect of greenhouse gases warm effect is in warming our cold ocean.

    [[Or there seems to me there very few people who imagine that a cold ocean doesn’t have a large effect {or the controlling effect] upon global climate.

    And invited anyone to provide an explanation of why our ocean is cold, or why a cold ocean has less effect upon global climate.]]

  8. Paul Vaughan says:

    Scot Free?

    Offset puzzle pieces from wei back in the daze of job ID UN:
    6.40217174588736 = 2*(7*5*3)^(1/4)
    22.1391697297859 = 2*(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)
    11.069584864893 = (13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)

    Sum assemble – a11y R-qui-red:
    171.406220601552 = 1/(1/84.016845922161-1/164.791315640078) = 1/(U-N)
    171.406964273337 =

    -0.000433863226 = %error
    -0.000084343068 = %error logscale

    Ness SOS eerily UN of these things is knot loch the O there….

    A comparative loose end was of course left:
    19.8643454852672 =

    SHARPEN UP RIGHT HEAR — ever herd of g_5 ?….

    IT’s knot a mystery:
    19.864995192266 = √(396-Φ√5)
    19.8649936390493 = 2/((1+(13*11)^(1/4))/4/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)-1/304407)

    -0.000007818862 = %error
    -0.000002615915 = %error logscale

    Close, yes…
    19.8650360864628 = 1/(1/11.8626151546089-1/29.4474984673838) = 1/(J-S)

    …but why’s IT off by a miss tory factor?
    44.2784332763321 / 44.2783394595719
    = ( 2φ(φφ)^e ) / ( 4*(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4) )
    = φ(φφ)^e/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)/2

    19.8650372821346 = √(396-Φ√5)*φ*(φφ)^e/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)/2

    Ramanujan and Meta11ica — with the help of a few Mayan sages — together have the answer:

    = √(396-Φ√5)*φ*(φφ)^e/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)/2
    A fine move$UN door the radical?
    = √(396φ^2-φ√5)*(φφ)^e/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)/2
    = √((2*3*√11*φ)^2-(√φ√√5)^2)*(φφ)^e/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)/2
    Here the left get Scot puzzling a differUNs of squares…
    = √((2*3*√11*φ+√φ√√5)(2*3*√11*φ-√φ√√5))*(φφ)^e/(13*11*7*5*3)^(1/4)/2
    …while the right fixates on something looking mighty irrational:
    = √((2*3*√11*φ+√φ√√5)(2*3*√11*φ-√φ√√5))*0.618035298237721

    0.000006018976 = %error
    0.000002013735 = %error logscale

    With the C ENSO R ship being what IT is,
    this is the “new normal” in communication sci11UNs.

    Then IT’s E-V UN clear roar with 2011 last car g_5 knot-work king:
    19.865035730288 = 4/(Φ(ΦΦ)^e*(1+(13*11)^(1/4))-2/304407)

    -0.000001792973 = %error
    -0.000000599865 = %error logscale

    Praise be to God (not SatUN).

    Dawn’s summary:
    No. 1 knows WHO golf sins caught land.

  9. stpaulchuck says:

    OMG! and here I thought the USSR had been defeated and sent down to the dustbin of history.

  10. oldbrew says:

    As a Dalek might say…

    The Daleks (DAH-leks) are a fictional extraterrestrial race of mutants principally portrayed in the British science fiction television programme Doctor Who. The Daleks were conceived by science-fiction writer Terry Nation and first appeared in the 1963 Doctor Who serial The Daleks, in the shells designed by Raymond Cusick.

    Drawing inspiration from the Nazis, Nation portrayed the Daleks as violent, merciless and pitiless cyborg aliens, who demand total conformity to their will, and who are bent on the conquest of the universe and the extermination of what they see as inferior races.
    – – –
    Your career might be exterminated at least, if you don’t conform to ‘mandatory’ climate dogma that doesn’t describe the actual climate – but never mention that, if you know which side your bread is buttered.

  11. Chaswarnertoo says:

    As long as these courses mention the Eemian and that for 90% of Earth’s history there were no polar ice caps, I’m happy. But they won’t be told that.

  12. Gamecock says:

    ‘Mandatory climate change studies’ is a crime against humanity. Mike Robinson belongs in a dungeon.

    With Christiana Figueres, et al.

    I am disappointed that the Scots put up with this.

  13. oldbrew says:

    Scotland is windy and the ruling Scot Nats like wind power very much. Getting the rest of the UK to pay most of the subsidies is a bonus.

  14. Paul Vaughan says:


    The means for ethically-restrained 8472-level counterbalance:
    There used to be a segment of a radio program called “MANDATORY METALLICA“.

    Seems appropriate in hardening the BIOLOGICAL mindset needed TO SUCCEED in repelling BORG ASSIMILATION.

    Borg Possessed by SatUN

    SEVERE naivety: I see that even the most cynical among you here and anywhere else in online discussion don’t realize how hard they’ll push. The only limit to how hard Borg will push is means possessed.

    Play UN the Red Deuce

    Children’s Parents? CAGED by the Borg
    From here on in this is a full-on adult conversation.
    This is the raw biological need to survive the day.
    SatUN torched stability and red-deuced IT to this.

    “All have said their prayers” — Metallica

  15. oldbrew says:

    Vattenfall reaches deal to deliver giant wind farm in Scotland
    Monday 27 April 2020

    The new onshore project will be capable of powering 170,000 homes, saving close to 300,000 tonnes in carbon dioxide emissions annually
    – – –
    As ever, no wind means no power. ‘Capable of’ is the maximum capacity in ideal conditions.

    Meanwhile, ‘climate change classes’ will present indoctrination as though it was education.

  16. ivan says:

    powering 170,000 homes is a totally useless statement for the simple reason they don’t define actual power usage – a home could be all electric or it could rely on gas for cooking and heating. In the later case the amount of power used is small which fits in with the fact that you only get about 35% of nameplate power from windmills.

  17. Gamecock says:

    ‘The new onshore project will be capable of powering 170,000 homes’

    What is that in Hiroshima bombs (Hb). My favorite unit of climate measure.

    ‘saving close to 300,000 tonnes in carbon dioxide emissions annually’

    By some equally arbitrary measure.

    170,000 homes powered by the wind – sometimes – saves 300,000 tonnes a year. So each house currently produces 1.75 tonnes a year? That’s really not much. Pareto says go work on something else with a real return.

  18. Stuart Brown says:

    GC – 1000Hb? We’re talking energy rather than power, of course, which the bomb put out in some fraction of a second presumably. 67TJ according to Wikipedia.

    The windmills* will put out that energy over maybe 20 years, maybe 50% capacity factor being generous. So that’s 240MW half the time, or ~70TJ per week for ~1000 weeks. (We can therefore state that a ‘home’ is 6MJ/day.) Assuming I got my decimals in the right place.

    I was going to look at excess winter deaths caused by expensive electricity during those 20 winters and compare it to…. But that is way too macabre for a lockdown boredom reduction exercise.

    Most of the UK electricity comes from natural gas – in any case, this is what would be dispatched if the windmills weren’t there. 50MJ/kg? So assuming 20MJ of electricity from each kg of methane, releasing 2.75kg of CO2. So 70TJ is equivalent to 9000 tonnes CO2 per week, or 500,000 tonnes per year. Except, of course, those gas turbines are running all the time to avoid blackouts if the wind drops – so running at less than their optimum efficiency. Hmm – maybe right then.

    Torness nuclear plant (100 miles away the other side of Scotland) is currently putting out 1.2GW as it did for 95% of last year. It is due to close in 2030. 10 times the energy supplied per year at least, and less CO2. We could just keep it open for another 2 years instead of building this nonsense. South Kyle is a forest, at least for now, because this will level trees across an area 4kms by 6kms in size!

    (*Windmills – grinding air, and possibly flying things, to make electricity)

  19. Paul Vaughan says:

    No. Thing Bot The Purest Hypocrisy

    Soul lure psych call D-sell O raise UN comes strategica11y UN-hinged in comm. median D-$pore IT.

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