Mysterious lights seen: Geomagnetic Link to earthquakes?

Posted: June 28, 2020 by tallbloke in Earthquakes, Electro-magnetism, Geology, Geomagnetism, Tides

This twitter video caught my eye last night, it was taken near Miami a few nights ago. It shows mysterious lights, confirmed from many sources and featured on national US TV channels where it’s reported answers are being demanded from the Pentagon.

Then today my physicist friend Mike McCulloch posted a tweet about some similar phenomena which have been observed for many years in Norway.

Wiki says: A group of students, engineers and journalists collaborated as “The Triangle Project” in 1997–1998 and recorded the lights in a pyramid shape that bounced up and down.[4][5]

So I did a bit of digging, and pretty quickly found some suggestive data.

So, talkshoppers, what about the many eyewitness reports of mysterious lights seen around Earthquakes? What does it all mean? Hmm?

When I google “Causes of earthquakes”, nothing about geomagnetic activity shows up. It’s all plate tectonics this, and human engineering that. What about the other possibility? A Geomagnetic effect or some mighty electric force which induces one?

Electric forces oscillate, and there are plenty of accounts of liquifaction in earthquake events. Other things oscillate too, so it’s not conclusive, but lights in the sky, vibrational liquifaction, and Geomag correlations all add up to some interesting insights into seismic phenomena.

Please post your thoughts below.

  1. Peter Norman says:

    Just another COVID-19 symptom!

  2. tallbloke says:

    Thanks, interesting.
    “The lights can occur weeks before major earthquakes, Freund noted, or during actual shaking. They have been recorded at distances of up to 100 miles (160 kilometers) from the epicenter.”

  3. Ian W says:

    It would be interesting to see a barycenter diagram that showed the accelerations/momentum changes that affect the earth as the sun alters its path due to the motion of the barycenter. The earth is a globule of molten rock with a thin skin. A change in velocity will involve stresses in the crust as the earth is accelerated in a new direction these are bound to have some electro magnetic effects.
    If there is a record of lights that occur weeks before or during earthquakes then the timing of the lights should be matched against barycenter changes and subsequent velocity changes.

  4. musings780 says:

    Interesting! but is there any reason to think there would be earthquake action in that area? I don’t recall that area being on a major fault line

  5. Chaswarnertoo says:

    Ball lightning.

  6. Paul Vaughan says:

    The shape of the geomagnetic field is not independent of mantle movements. We went over this stuff years ago. Seems we are doomed (for the pessimists) — or blessed (for the optimists) — to repeat.

    The (false) assumption of global uniformity strikes discourse again. FYI it doesn’t fool any luminaries (and they are all that matter).

  7. Peter Norman says:

    OK now it’s getting serious. Surface of the Earth is a conductor. Basic stuff I rely on for the electrical TT earth safety system at my farm. Take a conductor. Bend it, stretch it, tear it, any mechanical way you like. Do you see any sparks? Air is a good insulator. Could pre-quake tremors generate static electrical build up like volcano eruption dust causes lightning? We’d need to see sparks from loud speakers for this hypothesis. But, we do know animals sense pre-quake tremors. Fires neurons in their brains, maybe even eye flashes?

  8. Bloke no longer down the pub says:

    The Miami video that I saw on twitter was taken during a heavy thunder storm, so ball lightning is a more plausible answer. Not that it’s impossible that there are links between ball lightning and geomagnetism.

  9. Tallbloke, Not sure how relevant but check this paper “Atmosphere-Ionosphere Response to the M9 Tohoku Earthquake-Revealed by Joined Satellite and Ground Observations. Preliminary
    results.” Dimitar Ouzounov1,2, Sergey Pulinets3,5 , Alexey Romanov4, Alexander Romanov4,
    Konstantin Tsybulya3, Dimitri Davidenko3, Menas Kafatos1 and Patrick Taylor 2
    1 Chapman University, One University Drive, Orange, CA 92866, USA
    2NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD 20771, USA
    3Institute of Applied Geophysics, Rostokinskaya str., 9, Moscow, 129128, Russia
    4Russian Space Systems, 53 Aviamotornya Str, Moscow, 111250, Russia
    5Space Research Institute RAS, Profsoyuznaya str. 84/32, Moscow 117997, Russia
    Correspondence to: D.Ouzounov(;

    I have it as a pdf – 1105.2841 Heating before Mar 11 Japan Earthquake.pdf
    I could send it via reply email.

  10. oldbrew says:

    NBC News: Japan Earthquake Was ‘In the Air’ Days Before, Scientist Claims

    The atmosphere above the epicenter of the March 11 earthquake in Japan underwent unusual changes in the days leading up to the disaster, according to preliminary data.

    The research has not yet been published in an academic journal or reviewed by other scientists, but it could offer an intriguing possibility for earthquake prediction — though the day scientists are able to forecast earthquakes is still “far away,” said study researcher Dimitar Ouzounov, a professor of earth sciences at Chapman University in California.

  11. oldbrew says:

    As usual Miles Mathis has his own explanation, if anyone is interested.


    I will show that seismic waves are not caused by simple motion in the crust, or below it. They are caused by electromagnetic waves.
    . . .
    I will be asked why the Earth should be filled with these electromagnetic waves, and I can only answer “for the same reason everything else is.”
    (the longer explanation)
    – – –
    One of MM’s links:
    Conditions of atmospheric electricity variation during seismic wave propagation
    Kan Okubo Keisuke Yamamoto Masakazu Takayama Nobunao Takeuchi
    First published:17 August 2006

  12. Paul Vaughan says:

    Conventional minds get a lot of political Milage from contexts where there’s coupling. No surprise.

  13. hunterson7 says:

    There’s supposed to be piezoelectric effect of native rock under huge strain that can lead to visible discharges.

    That said, the Miami video looks very sketchy, imho

  14. jarlgeir says:

    Regarding the lights observed in Hessdalen, Norway, which apparently are not ball lightning: There is a technical scientific report here, the appendix is in English, but for the rest you’ll need Google translate.

  15. oldbrew says:

    From Jarlgeir’s link:
    The photo was analyzed by an expert at FFI, and he says: “If it is not a reflex from a solid body, but only gas in the air, the gas must be localized and strongly ionized. Otherwise, there would not have been such strong reflexes” .

    The clue is there: ‘the gas must be localized and strongly ionized’.

    This is what Miles Mathis is saying…

    I will be asked why we see it sometimes and not at other times. Simply because atmospheric conditions vary. If there are a lot of ions in the air, the seismic waves will light them up. If not, not.

    Maybe seismic waves are not the only possible way for such effects to occur.

  16. pochas94 says:

    This thread prompted me to read up on St Elmo’s fire which used to be seen by sailors atop their masts after thunderstorms. St. Erasmus (St Elmo) was the patron saint of Mediterranean sailors, so St Elmo’s fire was a welcome sign. Anyway, St Elmo’s fire was surely a plasma phenomenon. During a thunderstorm a ship would assume a positive charge and the surrounding atmosphere would be correspondingly negative. And it is known that on a charged object the charge concentrates on any pointy protuberance on the object. Could a charge difference just short of that required to produce a lightning strike cause a ball lightning phenomenon atop a ships mast? Or, could a meteoroid that has picked up a strong positive charge by friction with the atmosphere produce a glowing sphere when it enters a negatively charged region of the atmosphere near a thunderstorm?

  17. Power Grab says:

    Regarding the comment made about animals’ sensing of an earthquake before it occurs…

    I read an article on the Wired web site some years ago, about a man who inserted a small magnet inside a finger (on purpose) and left it there until it worked itself out after weeks or months.

    While the magnet was present in his finger, he put it near things that he figured would react with it. I believe he said it felt like a tingle when the magnet reacted to something.

    I think the article went on to describe how animals naturally have magnetically-reactive spots in, say, their eyes (in the case of birds). They speculated that the birds knew where to go to migrate because their vision in the “right” direction was different. The implication was that the birds could follow a magnetic pathway.

    I’ve wondered about how animals can sense the need to “get out of Dodge” in a hurry, not only right before an earthquake, but sometimes days before.

    Some speculate that they see (or hear) something that scares them and makes them run away. It just occurred to me that they might sense something “pulling” them in some direction without their volition. It would be pretty startling and scary if you were just minding your business, and you suddenly sensed that some force was acting like (for lack of a better analogy) a “tractor beam”, and feeling like it could pull you along in some direction you didn’t want to go. I could understand their alarm and need to run away quickly in the opposite direction from the pull.

    Back to the liquefaction phenomenon…I first started pondering it when I saw some video from the huge Japanese earthquake in March 2011. It made me realize that underground water is something we don’t normally think about, but it likely is in places we might not expect.

    I read an article about the time of a large Mexico City earthquake, and it mentioned that an underground grotto in the US that held water, and also was monitored by research cameras, showed that the water receded from view when the earthquake happened. I think it went away in a relatively short time, a few minutes. Then it came back eventually. The article speculated about what kind of underground pathways might allow water to change its normal course when under the influence of a major earthquake.

    One more thing I’ve wondered about…I watched a video where the narrator showed many photos that had been sent to him of anomalous water levels. Some were along the Mississippi, and others were along the Atlantic coast of North and South America. As I imagined the water level changes occurring in the same time period (some levels were higher than normal, and others were lower than normal), it occurred to me that if the North and South American continents “tipped”, people might not sense it, but water levels would reflect it.

    Just some idle wonderings before I go to sleep. 😉

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