Germany’s hydrogen strategy

Posted: July 20, 2020 by oldbrew in climate, Energy, hydrogen, propaganda, Travel
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German hydrogen train [image credit: Euractiv]


Here comes more climate propaganda, but it gives some details of how the hydrogen might be produced if the proposals ever take off. The thorny subject of cost is not mentioned, which is usually a sign that it’s going to be way up high compared to today’s standard fuels. Using electricity to make electricity, with hydrogen in the middle, sounds clunky to say the least but climate obsessives wave away such niggles.
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Eco-friendly hydrogen is regarded as a “silver bullet” [Talkshop comment: or maybe not] when it comes to fighting climate change, asserts Deutschland.de.

With its hydrogen strategy, Germany is now promoting its production.

Hydrogen is regarded as a kind of miracle substance. In an engine or fuel cell, it burns when oxygen is added and becomes pure water.

It can be transported in pipelines or in liquefied form on tankers. Easily storable, it can replace fossil fuels in virtually every situation: in lorries, cars and trains, and in the production of steel, cement and chemicals.

20 years ago, Germany was already hoping that hydrogen would largely replace petrol and diesel in a matter of years. To date, however, hydrogen is available at only just under 100 of Germany’s 14,500 or so petrol stations.

A German and a European hydrogen strategy

This is now set to change. In June 2020, the German government adopted its national hydrogen strategy. The European Commission then did the same in early July. Both programmes are intended to give this climate-friendly fuel a boost.

To achieve this, Germany and the EU are pinning their hopes chiefly on eco-friendly hydrogen; obtained from renewable energy, it is climate neutral.

The energy that is needed could come among other things from countries that are capable of producing large amounts of solar or wind power, such as Morocco for example.

By 2030, electrolysers with a capacity of up to 40,000 megawatts are to be built Europe-wide, 5,000 megawatts of the total in Germany. They can produce up to ten million tons of eco-friendly hydrogen each year.

To this end, Germany plans to promote the construction of special hydrogen rigs – similar to today’s oil and gas rigs – in the North Sea. Surrounded by large offshore wind farms, they are to generate hydrogen that will then be transported to the coast on board tankers.

Full article here.

Comments
  1. oldbrew says:

    Germany used nearly 2.5 million barrels of oil per day in 2017.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption

    They’re going to need a huge fleet of windmills to create a hydrogen equivalent anywhere near to that. Using their Russian gas would be a lot simpler.

  2. Gamecock says:

    “In an engine or fuel cell, it burns when oxygen is added and becomes pure water vapor, the most significant green house gas.”

    Fixed it.

  3. hunterson7 says:

    Hydrogen:
    Deadly toxic, energy negative, corrosive, leaky, explosive, difficult to handle, what’s not to love?

  4. cognog2 says:

    I smell perpetual motion hidden somewhere in this strategy.

  5. pochas94 says:

    My favorite “hydrogen sux” website.

  6. vuurklip says:

    Yesss. Bring back the Hindenburg.

  7. oldbrew says:

    The article says:
    Green fuels are intended to replace fossil fuels above all in situations where it does not make much sense to use electric batteries, such as on lorries, ships, trains or aircraft.

    No way wind power can deliver enough of it for that.

  8. Paul Vaughan says:

    Cheap Paint Hopes for Life

    “the P-R trance miss shh UN swill – resume
    they’ll try to push drugs

    Muse’11 the man in the moon land UN – buy psy-ops:
    makes sense or ship high drug UN

  9. Graeme No.3 says:

    The claim that burning hydrogen produces only clean water depends on a supply of pure oxygen. Yes a fuel cell may eliminate that problem if supplied with pure oxygen, but burning hydrogen in air as in internal combustion motor type will result in nitrous oxides. Also applies to open combustion if the idea is to convert existing coal fired type plants to burn hydrogen.
    How long before hydrogen fuel is banned as polluting?

  10. Chaswarnertoo says:

    H2 is explosive, leaky and sneaky. Why don’t we add some carbon atoms to make it easier to handle and more calorific? You could just call it gas and pump it straight out of the ground….

  11. oldbrew says:

    Could Germany have another trick up its sleeve?

    Lithium Can Be Extracted From Groundwater At Geothermal Installations
    July 19th, 2020

    Scientists at the KIT Energy Center at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology say there is enough lithium dissolved in the groundwater extracted by German geothermal heating and electricity installations to meet the needs of most if not all of the battery manufacturers in the country. “As far as we know, there can be up to 200 milligrams per liter,” says geoscientist Dr. Jens Grimmer of the Institute of Applied Geosciences at KIT. “If we consistently use this potential, we could cover a considerable part of the demand in Germany.”
    . . .
    Until now, there was no cost effective way to extract lithium from the groundwater geothermal facilities process to make heat or electricity. The Grimmer/Saravia process hopes to change that.

    https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/19/lithium-can-be-extracted-from-groundwater-at-geothermal-installations/

  12. Graeme No.3 says:

    old brew:
    That’s a 0.2% solution. May need a bit of evaporation and purification.
    I wouldn’t buy shares in this “project” just yet. Wait until it leaves the afternoon tea room at your nearest University.

  13. Coeur de Lion says:

    Echoing vuurklip, one serious hindenburg will put the stoppers on this idea. Hope I’m nowhere near.

  14. oldbrew says:

    Hydrogen Europe says:
    For over 40 years, industry has used hydrogen in vast quantities as an industrial chemical and fuel for space exploration. During that time, industry has developed an infrastructure to produce, store, transport and utilize hydrogen safely.

    https://www.hydrogeneurope.eu/hydrogen-safety
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    But maybe best left to experienced industry folk at established workplaces, rather than random private car drivers all over the place?

  15. oldbrew says:

    To date, however, hydrogen is available at only just under 100 of Germany’s 14,500 or so petrol stations.

    Hardly any hydrogen cars on offer anyway. Starting prices are double the cost of the new Golf ID.3 (EV) +/- a few grand.

    Mercedes End Hydrogen Car Development
    APRIL 24, 2020

    In the end, the company conceded that building hydrogen cars was too costly, about double the expense of an equivalent battery-electric vehicle.
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/04/24/mercedes-end-hydrogen-car-development/

  16. Paul Vaughan says:

    16 Figures “Bold” Seek Ruts of ERR CRAFT IN UK QUITE TEE

    I’m bound to find some way out of this hole, EU know

    Who would be pushing high drug UN?
    WE know well Eur. math deep ends on IT.

    The same peep hole who tool the public corona research should beak-capped seek Rutte.

    “Russian and Chinese hackers” (that’s codes-beak – take IT litter ally and the joke sun EU) might accidentally liberate the west from “trade secrets” and “intellectual property”.

    Q: Now just what exactly DO you think a “bold” vac scene might DO?
    No need to spell out anon sir! This is world domination in err craft!!

    “Out at the speedway
    some kind of e/11 vac thing” — Tragically[C[ENSO]Rshh]ip — “when Eur. blowin’ HIDE O

    OK…. sew IT’s knot “high drug UN” bot HIDE drug UN — got IT!! …and O as sin “O’WE’11”.

    Only threw gall 5 el IT push the UN knew quit tea of hide drug UN vac sea anon the wild west.

    PC miss UN: “this beat go sun ….and on anon UN non” — The Kings — “energy can. be dire wreck tied

    DO sent seam: tube a very safe bet 2 ban cures.
    Hint: UN borg — ok, now weave scene IT AI. Weave exposed the true base of monstrous err craft.

  17. oldbrew says:

    Energy Magic: Wind & Solar ‘Industries’ Pin Their Future on Great Hydrogen Hoax
    July 18, 2020 by stopthesethings

    The rules of physics (not least thermodynamics) mean that, whatever the power source, more energy will be expended than will ever be returned from the process of turning electricity into hydrogen gas, storing and distributing it. Which means it will not result in a net energy benefit.

    https://stopthesethings.com/2020/07/18/energy-magic-wind-solar-industries-pin-their-future-on-great-hydrogen-hoax/

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