The High Costs And Low Benefits Of Electric Vehicles

Posted: August 7, 2020 by oldbrew in Critique, ideology, Travel
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Exposing some of the disconnects between carbo-phobe ideology, as expressed in (for example) UK private transport policy, and on-the-ground realities.

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By Duggan Flanakin ~

The rush to decarbonize every nation in the world in one or maybe two decades reflects the “I want it all NOW!” philosophy imbued through modern education systems. Current and recent former students – and their teachers – demand a perfect world (since they can envision one) and exhibit zero patience (hence the nationwide riots in the U.S.).

Hopefully the mad stampede to destroy the West’s ability to use fossil fuels at all will be sidelined by harsh realities of economics, logistics, and resource availability (including a hoped for reticence to rely on child slave labor to satisfy their blood lust). Yet the United Kingdom, formerly a bastion of sanity, has mandated, as part of its drive toward an all-electric society, the installation of electric vehicle charging stations in every home by 2030 and that all new cars and vans be hydrogen or electric vehicles (and…

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  1. oldbrew says:

    The EV battery is direct current, while the grid requires alternating current. To feed the grid, the homeowner would have to spend a grand on a DC-AC converter

    More about DC and AC charging…

  2. Chaswarnertoo says:

    Have we reached peak idiocy yet?

  3. stpaulchuck says:

    America, and apparently most of the West, has raised two successive generations of infantiles. They demand instant gratification of whatever pops into their childish minds. They operate on feelings and will not accept any evidence contrary to them. Nature and economics MUST bow to their foot stomping demands.

    Of course our school system aids and abets this by refusing to teach history, or at least the whole of history. Instead they teach ‘self esteem’ and false histories about ‘racism’ and zero sum economics lunacy.

    So, we pollute the planet mining and processing rare earths for their windmills and solar arrays and massive batteries for cars and power plants while generating massive amounts of the Satanic Gas, CO2, to create thousands of incompetent power generators destroying the beauty of the land.

    When are the adults coming home?

  4. ivan says:

    When are the adults coming home?

    They left at he end of the 50s and the children got what they wanted in the 60s. Unfortunately, very few of those children grew up and we are reaping the ‘benefits’ of the childish culture fostered by the Frankfurt School and all those putting ‘feelings’ before knowledge.

    Is there a way back? Maybe, but it will be very painful and I doubt I will live long enough to see it. The stupidity will lead to the cities disintegrating as services fail and equipment stops working – we are seeing the begining in many of the US cities, I just hope the countryside holds out.

  5. Paul Vaughan says:

    Western parents strongly resist superior math education. Meanwhile China produces astounding math learning outcomes — reliably for a lot more people. The best hope for the west is a dramatic increase in immigration from China. For sure this would turn things around. Of course anything that would work will not be welcome and according to MSM racism is good if it’s against whites and Chinese and especially if it’s against whites and Chinese who dare dream of working together harmoniously. The outlook for the West is pure disaster.

  6. Paul Vaughan says:

    A Canadian MSM poll found that half of Canadians would be happy to see OTHER Canadians lose their jobs and homes to reduce CO2 emissions.

    OF COURSE they would not ask if people will give up their OWN job and their OWN home — (sarc) “unfair” “biased” question (/sarc).

    During the pandemic I’ve started to realize just how extremely nasty Canadian elite really are.

    For example, during the lockdowns countless businesses died and are never coming back. I had a conversation with a wealthy individual about normally hard-working people thus locked out of work. This hubristic individual called them “lazy” for being in such vulnerable companies in the first place and started citing leftist media on how most of these people are supposedly depressed because they are controlled by Russians — due to flaws in lenient domestic censorship — who herd them as radicalized cult members. I listened as if I was taking it all seriously. I managed to not even smirk.

    I’m not dispatching a fleet of excavators to hell to investigate how base assumptions got so corrupt. And I don’t need any more conversations like that to recall where “reasoning” accomplishes NOTHING.

  7. oldbrew says:

    The Dirty Secrets Of ‘Clean’ Electric Vehicles
    Date: 07/08/20 Tilak Doshi, Forbes

    In the case of EVs, the dirty secrets of “clean energy” should seem apparent to all but, alas, there are none so blind as those who will not see.

  8. Phoenix44 says:

    The disconnect is between what people want and why they should want it. In so many instances now we see people demanding they get their way but with no ability to describe why – Brexit, Greenery, lockdowns, face masks, removal of Trump. In some of these cases it’s not obvious why they want stuff – lockdowns and the EU for example. But eantvthem they do and if they don’t get them immediately then they will do anything, from tantrums to constitutional vandalism. But it is irrational and unreasoned and so is impossible to argue with.

  9. pochas94 says:

    Some of us infants remain interested in the potential of hydrogen as a transportation fuel for everyday use by citizens. Platinum is an important component and a major expense. To summarize the reference, a currently available FC car might use 60 grams of platinum costing $1800 US. Current research might plausibly reduce this by half. Goals (way out there) are to reduce this to 3 grams, a reduction of 95 percent. The future of hydrogen would be greatly aided by meaningful progress toward these goals. My impression is that there is enough platinum supply to go around.

  10. Johna says:

    Re stpaulchuck says:
    August 7, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    But don’t blame the kids as in the UK Labour liberal and Tory Governments have told the schools what to teach them and that includes: pseudo science of AGW and its related dear electricity, no power, ch4 gas and chemicals from coal, no ability to design and manufacture ships planes cars machines etc etc etc etc in a world that works on capitalism which demands competitiveness. And sadly greed and corruption.

  11. oldbrew says:

    pochas94 says: August 8, 2020 at 11:28 am

    Since that 2018 article Mercedes/Daimler has ditched hydrogen cars.

    In the end, the company conceded that building hydrogen cars was too costly, about double the expense of an equivalent battery-electric vehicle.

    BEVs are already expensive compared to similar fuel-powered models.

  12. pochas94 says:

    It’s a matter of scale. Nobody will buy a hydrogen car if it can’t be refueled conveniently. But spot a fueling station somewhere, and a local with money might buy one for his stable. And the cost of manufacture will be incrementally reduced. This will take time or some extraneous factor might introduce itself. Like being on the end of a pipeline from some country with nefarious schemes to take over the world.

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