UK will be ‘the world leader’ in offshore wind – forgetting wind power is not continuous

Posted: October 6, 2020 by oldbrew in government, net zero, wind
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Time for another airing of the usual tedious waffle about wind powering x number of homes, ignoring its chronic intermittency and tendency to almost disappear for hours, or even days, at a time. The greater the dependency on it, the greater the potential disruption to electricity supply. Fantasies of ‘slowing climate change’ are just that: fantasies.
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Boris Johnson will promise to “build back greener” in his conference speech on Tuesday, announcing new investment in offshore wind energy, reports BBC News.

The PM will pledge £160m to upgrade ports and factories for building turbines, setting a target for wind to produce enough electricity to power the equivalent of every UK home by 2030.

The plan aims to create 2,000 jobs in construction and support 60,000 more.

He will say the UK is to become “the world leader in clean wind energy”.

Mr Johnson’s speech comes after he made a pledge at a UN biodiversity summit in New York to protect 30% of UK land for nature as a “boost for biodiversity”.

The scheme will see the money invested into manufacturing in Teesside and Humber in northern England, as well as sites in Scotland and Wales.

Mr Johnson said the government was raising its target for offshore wind power capacity by 2030 from 30 gigawatts to 40 gigawatts.

The commitments are the first stage of a 10-point plan for a “green industrial revolution” from the government, with No 10 promising the rest of the details later this year to “accelerate our progress towards net zero emissions by 2050”.

The net zero target means greenhouse gas emissions would be dramatically slashed and any remaining emissions offset, neutralising environmental impacts and slowing climate change.

Full report here.

Comments
  1. tallbloke says:

  2. Chaswarnertoo says:

    He’s a classically ejumacated moron. Can’t be done.

  3. tallbloke says:

  4. oldbrew says:

    Matt Ridley’s photo shows onshore wind 🤔

  5. cognog2 says:

    I suspect this is what I would call a ‘Pillow’ policy. we should look to Boris’ personal relationships here.
    “The power behind the throne” comes to mind.

    Otherwise there is a total absence of basic pragmatic thinking which is the root of the conservative party’s success.

  6. saighdear says:

    Why is there, who looks at it and what is done with the Info /DATA ? : ‘Gridwatch’ and other such resources? No wind, no power, -no matter how many you have. ..
    Oh, what did you say, hush ? Oh, I see – to provide refuge for Fish from the Euro fishing fleet ? Uhuh. What’s Boris smoking?

  7. Graeme No.3 says:

    I think those stories about him not being the same after CoVid are true. Obviously it has long term effect on the brain.
    Oh wait, the Australian Prime Minister has announced that a new gas fired station will be built on the site of an ageing coal fired one. That latter is sited right over the coal field. Then there is the problem of finding the gas and getting it to the station.

  8. Stephen Richards says:

    Boris Johnson and his government are simply a continuation of Cameron, May et al. Just public school morons and clowns.

    This can only end in total disaster for the UK especially after he cocks up brexit

  9. All those low productivity jobs to produce enough very expensive electricity to power our homes, but only when the wind blows. The lunatics prove that they really are in charge.

  10. A C Osborn says:

    He’s saving the planet people, cost, efficiency, common sense, practicallity etc are not important.

  11. tom0mason says:

    “The PM will pledge £160m to upgrade ports and factories for building turbines, setting a target for wind to produce enough electricity to power the equivalent of every UK home by 2030.
    The plan aims to create 2,000 jobs in construction and support 60,000 more.
    He will say the UK is to become “the world leader in clean wind energy”.
    Mr Johnson’s speech comes after he made a pledge at a UN biodiversity summit in New York to protect 30% of UK land for nature as a “boost for biodiversity”. “

    Yet more stupid bureaucratic management schemes set out as a replacement for proper engineering.
    All pie-in-the-sky BS propounded by the idiot Boris Johnson, his Government of bureaucratic simpletons and his crony friends (Gummer?).

  12. Gamecock says:

    What’s with this Brit politicians’ obsession with being “the world leader in ______?”

    The Empire is gone. Are there enough still alive who long for its return to make this appeal politically worthwhile?

  13. BLACK PEARL says:

    Does catching Bat Flu affect the brain ?

  14. oldbrew says:

    UK will be ‘the world leader’ in electricity shortages due to the wrong kind of weather.

  15. tallbloke says:

  16. MrGrimNasty says:

    World leading electricity bills and wildlife slaughtering, the most industrialized land and seascapes, highest rate of fuel poverty and elderly deaths from cold/damp, and the best at eating cold baked beans in the dark.

  17. oldbrew says:

    OCT 5, 2020.
    Poll: Majority Of Britons Unwilling To Pay More For Energy To Meet Climate Goals

    https://climatechangedispatch.com/poll-majority-of-britons-unwilling-to-pay-more-for-energy-to-meet-climate-goals/
    – – –
    Better use less energy then, as the high costs of offshore wind expansion are added to bills.

    ‘Tackling climate change’ is hopeless waffle impressing only the gullible.

  18. dennisambler says:

    ‘https://ore.catapult.org.uk/app/uploads/2018/09/Offshore-Wind-Subsea-Power-Cables-Charlotte-Strang-Moran-and-Othmane-El-Mountassir-AP-0018.pdf’

    By the end of 2018, installed offshore wind power capacity will reach a total of 30.2GW, with 22.9GW of generation in Europe and 7.3GW across the rest of the world. The UK remains the global leader in offshore wind, with a total capacity of 6,385MW and an additional capacity of 3.2GW entering operation by 2020.

    As the industry’s generation capacity continues to grow, so does the need for developing reliable, high-capacity transmission cable technologies. Subsea power cable failure is frequently reported as a major issue for offshore wind farm operators. Such failures are reported to account for 75-80% of the total cost of offshore wind insurance claims – in comparison, cabling makes up only around 9% of the overall cost of an offshore wind farm.

    Although subsea cable failure is a relatively common occurrence in the sector, information sharing remains scarce and lessons learned are not often disseminated among the wider offshore wind community.

    The UK’s operational offshore wind farms are using 62 export cables totalling a length of 1,499km and over 1,806km of inter-array cables to transport the 6,385MW of electrical generation.

    • A total of 43 array and export cable failures have been reported since 2007. Issues associated with manufacturing and/or installation are reported to be the most common cause of cable failure.
    • From 2014 to the end of 2017, recorded cable failures at UK offshore wind projects have led to a cumulative loss of power generation of approximately 2.45TWh, equating to approximately £250M.

    The new Rampion wind farm of Brighton was out of action for several weeks last year due to a similar problem as described above. They did say electricity supply to the area was not affected, so why was it built?

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18029416.1bn-rampion-wind-farm-will-shut-weeks-due-fault/

  19. saighdear says:

    Some one PLEASE TELL me again how it works…. There is NO WIND here all morning, Rain falling straight from the skies. Howmany windmillsneeded to produce power under these conditions? eh…pardon, what ?!! wrong kind of windmills? Oh I see – WATER windmill WHEELS turned by the falling rain. mmmm ‘very good’ then – if you say so. Cheers

  20. oldbrew says:

    Erratic wind = erratic electricity from wind turbines

    Building ever more of them doesn’t alter the equation.
    – – –
    Update from The Guardian:
    Powering all UK homes via offshore wind by 2030 ‘would cost £50bn’
    Tue 6 Oct 2020 19.01 BST

    Aurora Energy Research calculates investment would have to quadruple capacity
    . . .
    A consultancy has calculated that five turbines a week would need to be installed between now and 2030 for the government to meet its target.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/06/powering-all-uk-homes-via-offshore-wind-by-2030-would-cost-50bn

    What was that about ‘low cost’ power generation? 🤩
    Five turbines a week for ten years? 😂

  21. stpaulchuck says:

    actually it’ll be pretty cool!! think of the shots from space of the lights across Britain, Ireland, and Scotland wink on and off like Christmas tree lights, ha ha ha ha ha

  22. oldbrew says:

    Why California’s Climate Policies Are Causing Electricity Blackouts
    – Michael Shellenberger

    ‘California saw its electricity prices rise six times more than the rest of the United States from 2011 to 2019, due to its huge expansion of renewables.’

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2020/08/15/why-californias-climate-policies-are-causing-electricity-black-outs/amp/
    – – –
    Low cost power eh?
    ======================
    Boris Johnson Announces 200% Rise in Electricity Prices
    Date: 06/10/20 Press Release, Global Warming Policy Forum

    London, 6 October: Ignoring clear evidence that the underlying economics of renewables are disastrous, the Prime Minister has today committed the UK to a further expansion of offshore wind power by 2030, with frightening implications for electricity prices, which would have to treble to pay the real costs.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/boris-johnson-announces-200-rise-in-electricity-prices/

  23. ivan says:

    I assume they are going to be shutting down all the city tower blocks if this stupid idea goes ahead because without reliable power they will be unliveable – no lifts, no air circulation, no lights in stairways etc. Also there will be no food because the electric lorries won’t have enough power to deliver it to the shops always assuming the farmers have enough power to harvest it in the first place.

    Then the next problem will be that industry will have to shut down, no power The bankers and civil servants will also be out of work because without power the computers won’t run, also they don’t like fluctuating power when they do manage to get some.

    No jobs = no pay = no tax to the government = no government = no subsidies to the unreliables = no maintenance = no working windmills = even less power to go round.

    Why not just shut down the country and tell the people to find somewhere else to live where they have a sensible outlook on power generation and non of the stupid CAGW ideas.

  24. Gamecock says:

    We’re here for you.

    https://www.sccommerce.com/buildings-sites

    The pachyderm in the room is backup for wind power. Gamecock estimates that at about 30% penetration of wind power into the market, it will quickly become 80%. The business case for conventional coal and gas fired production will be lost, so they will close. You will have to get by on about 40% of the electricity you used to get. And that 40% will be intermittent. You are sofa king dead.

  25. Graeme No.3 says:

    To put it into other’s mouths.
    Whistler: “Boris needs to find a new squeeze who isn’t a rabid CAGW adherent. The U.K. Is being led by Boris’s private member.”

    Wilde “I wish I’d said that”

    Whistler (referring to his notorious plagiarism) “You will, Oscar.”

  26. Phoenix44 says:

    The strange thing is that he acts as if this is somehow a surprise, a brilliant new decision, when in fact its completely predictable.

    Quite how anybody can look at a centuries old technology that doesn’t work much of the time and think “world leader” is beyond me. Why have so many people bought into this hysteria? Why have so many set aside rational thought, scepticism and intelligence and instead listened only to a handful of politically motivated activists? What happened to the (flawed) Stern Report? Nothing in the science has changed since then, so why this rush to economic suicide based on a supposed “crisis”?

  27. oldbrew says:

    UK governments that preside over major power cuts have a history of getting trashed by the voters.

  28. oldbrew says:

    Hot air doesn’t add up: ZION LIGHTS, former Extinction Rebellion spokesperson, has doubts about Boris Johnson’s plan to make every home wind-powered by 2030
    By ZION LIGHTS FOR THE DAILY MAIL

    PUBLISHED: 00:46, 7 October 2020

    Even if Britain cranked up its wind power provision to the level the Prime Minister proposes, this amount would power only about half the homes in Britain – or 7 per cent of the total national energy demand. And that would only be when the turbines are turning.

    Data company Aurora Energy Research has calculated that to reach 40 gigawatts by 2030, one new wind turbine will have to be installed around Britain every weekday for the entire 2020s – at a cost of some £50billion in capital investment. [bold added]

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8812855/ZION-LIGHTS-former-Extinction-Rebellion-member-doubts-Boris-Johnsons-wind-power-plan.html
    – – –
    ‘7 per cent of the total national energy demand’ – so how is this plan supposed to benefit the climate?

  29. Gamecock says:

    ‘And that would only be when the turbines are turning.’

    Which begs the question, what will be the government’s priorities in rationing power? They say all homes will be powered by wind. Does that really mean that when the wind dies, all homes will die? Will you be able to determine wind speed by how bright your lights are?

    Will residences get priority over businesses? Or will business get priority? Where do traffic lights fit in their algorithms?

  30. oldbrew says:

    The target will probably be for wind power to generate the annual equivalent of all the electricity used in domestic properties in that year, or something like that.

    The headlines and the PM don’t exactly say that of course, because it sounds a bit dull.

    As there isn’t any ‘clean* low cost power generation’ either now or any time soon, claiming to be the world leader will be easy – but hollow.

    (* by the government’s definition)

  31. oldbrew says:

    Telegraph: Forget the wind revolution, the PM’s conference speech offered only hot air
    6 October 2020 • 5:00pm

    Only Boris, within one breath, could point to ‘the plague’, not policy, as the disease that has been attacking the economy

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/06/forget-wind-revolution-pms-conference-speech-offered-hot-air/
    [paywalled, but the headline says it all]

  32. oldbrew says:

    Britain Rocked By Windfarm Scandal That Is Set To Cost Consumers £1.4 Billion
    Date: 10/10/20 Daily Mail

    A botched green scheme is paying wind turbine owners seven times the value of the electricity they generate – and it is set to cost UK consumers an estimated £1.4billion.
    . . .
    For spurious reasons, the owners of small wind turbines – defined as those with a peak output of 250 kilowatts – in Northern Ireland are entitled to a handout worth about £220 for every megawatt of power they produce per hour.

    Elsewhere in the UK, the figure changes every year, but was £16 last year. And that is on top of selling the actual electricity at market price.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/britain-rocked-by-windfarm-scandal-that-is-set-to-cost-consumers-1-4-billion/

  33. oldbrew says:

    Oct 10, 2020
    The West Intends Energy Suicide: Will It Succeed?

    The jury is in: modern economic growth has not shown a single instance of a country successfully developing without the concomitant use of fossil fuels, and ordinary people across the world are fully aware of this.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tilakdoshi/2020/10/10/the-west-intends-energy-suicide-will-it-succeed/
    = = =
    So you still think wind turbines are green?
    October 11, 2020

    BORIS Johnson is racing to build more and more wind turbines, as reported in TCW here. Politicians want us to believe that generating electricity from wind turbines means no harmful emissions but there is a fatal flaw in the argument. Wind turbines can only be manufactured using fossil fuels to make the steel, the blades and other components.
    . . .
    So turbines create tons of emissions both in the UK and abroad.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/so-you-still-think-wind-turbines-are-green/

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