New York Can’t Buy Its Way Out Of Blackouts

Posted: December 27, 2020 by oldbrew in Batteries, Energy, weather
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All these battery systems can do is give power providers a brief window to figure out what they’re really going to do about the imminent blackout situation, due to the latest weather-related dip in renewable power generation.

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By David Wojick, Ph.D. ~

New York City will soon be home to the world’s biggest utility-scale battery system, designed to back up its growing reliance on intermittent renewables. At 400 MWh this batch of batteries will be more than triple the 129 MWh world leader in Australia.

The City of New Yorks director of sustainability (I am not making this title up), Mark Chambers, is ecstatic, bragging: Expanding battery storage is a critical part of how we advance momentum to confront the climate emergency while meeting the energy needs of all New Yorkers. Today’s announcement demonstrates how we can deliver this need at significant scale.” (Emphasis added)

In reality the scale here is incredibly insignificant.

In the same nonsensical way, Tim Cawley, the president of Con Edison, New York’s power utility, gushes thus: Utility scale battery storage will play a vital role in…

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  1. oldbrew says:

    Demand side management, or ‘modification of consumer demand’ is coming to the fore.

    Wikipedia wrongly refers to ‘carbon dioxide and other pollutants’. Carbon dioxide is known by science to be harmless, and vital to plant growth.

  2. Gamecock says:

    “But like all batteries it costs money and generates nothing.” – oldbrew, April 2019

    Storage is propaganda. One of the derailers of wind/solar power is intermittency. Proponents know that is an effective argument against these renewables. So they talk up – and spend other people’s money on – storage as a cure for intermittency. Which it is OBVIOUSLY not.

    The half a billion cost of this is not to provide electricity, it is to get you to believe renewables can work to provide your electricity. A very expensive, and cynical, trick.

    You want cynical? Tim Cawley obviously knows better. But as a regulated monopoly, ConEd is authorized a profit margin. They have no reason to fight government idiocy, they make more if they don’t, and they’ll dang sure take a licking if they fight environmental dogma.

  3. oldbrew says:

    It seems most people will tolerate renewables-led energy policies until the moment they find out their security of electricity supply has gone for good, i.e. the power goes off for the second, third, fourth etc. time and no viable plan B exists.
    – – –
    UK is trying to play the same game…

    InterGen, which currently supplies around 5% of the UK’s power generating capacity, has been granted consent by the UK’s Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) for a lithium-ion battery energy storage project as part of their Gateway Energy Centre development on the banks of the River Thames in Essex.

    The £200 million project will have a capacity of at least 320 MW / 640 MWh, with the potential to expand to 1.3 GWh.

    When fully charged, the project could power up to 300,000 homes for two hours. However, it will mostly be used to support and stabilise existing electricity supplies by providing fast-reacting power and system balancing.

    ‘System balancing’ = ironing out the power wobbles when the sun appears/disappears or the wind blows more/less?

  4. Gamecock says:

    If there were no cost associated with it, the battery system stabilizing electricity supplies is the right way to do it. ALL power from renewables should go to batteries*; all power to the grid should come from the batteries. Far more stable and predictable than sources direct from weather dependent suppliers.

    *Or to motor generators with flywheels. MG sets can stabilize the output for a few seconds.

  5. oldbrew says:

    When fully charged, the project could power up to 300,000 homes for two hours.

    Enough time to crank up some gas or diesel power.

  6. Graeme No.3 says:

    Or 3 million homes 12 minutes?

  7. stpaulchuck says:

    oldbrew says:
    December 27, 2020 at 8:05 pm
    in a city of 8.3 million with cascading power crashes a historical fact they either have to black out sections of the city for who knows how long, or watch the entire area go dark (again). The only way to prevent that is to have sufficient fast start backup power (mostly natgas) and/or huge spinning reserves. These windmills and other comic power sources can be backed up for minutes to bring on real backup power. Eventually the costs become so large to maintain two power systems that it just crashed in ashes as the people exit stage right so not enough income to even maintain this crap.

    In the meantime, they keep shutting down reliable traditional power which is the spinning reserve eventually for the joke power. What a farce.

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