G7 countries want to prevent ‘uncontrollable climate change’, but when was it ever controllable?

Posted: May 22, 2021 by oldbrew in climate, government, ideology, Temperature
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Coal-hungry China [image credit: democraticunderground.com]

Where’s the evidence that tinkering with carbon dioxide output can control anything? A think-tank chief said: “It puts the burden on any fossil fuel development now to prove that it’s 1.5C compatible”. How anyone is supposed to do that remains a mystery.
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The Group of Seven wealthy nations on Friday agreed to end state financing of coal-fired power plants by the end of this year, and to “mostly decarbonise” electricity supplies in the 2030s, reports France24.

Ahead of a leaders meeting in Britain next month, G7 countries’ climate and environment ministers also reaffirmed their commitment to keep temperature rises below 1.5 degrees Celsius by 2050, following a two-day virtual meeting.

Scientists say any increases beyond that will trigger uncontrollable climate change. [Talkshop comment: *some* scientists say…].

“Recognising that continued global investment in unabated coal power generation is incompatible with keeping 1.5C within reach, we stress that international investments in unabated coal must stop now,” the ministers said.

UK lawmaker Alok Sharma, who is president-designate of the COP26 UN climate summit to be held in Glasgow in November, said the consensus was “a clear signal to the world that coal is on the way out”.

The move follows a recommendation from the International Energy Agency earlier this week that all future fossil fuel projects must be scrapped if the world is to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2050 and limit warming to 1.5C.

German Environment Minister Svenja Schulze called the agreement “an important step forward” that gave credibility to industrialised nations to urge others to follow suit.

Her French counterpart, Barbara Pompili, said it “sets the stage for a radical transition towards clean energy”, hailing Japan, which had resisted, for getting on board.

The G7 countries — Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States and Britain — are home to major carmakers, and further agreed to “significantly accelerate” the shift away from petrol in the transport industry within the decade.

Fossil fuels should also be mostly phased out from G7 countries’ electricity supplies by the 2030s.

The grouping reiterated that it aimed to eliminate “inefficient fossil fuel subsidies” by 2025 and encouraged all countries to follow suit.

Full report here.

  1. JB says:

    “The Group of Seven wealthy nations ”

    MINISTERS of such nations.

    As Herman Göring exclaimed just hours before committing suicide: “…it is always a simple matter to drag the people along”

    I have no allegiance to any nation, uphold no political president, nor acknowledge any priest. No one represents me politically or spiritually. Beyond Power of Attorney in certain legal matters, no one can. These qualities are inalienable. Would that all people realize this, and stop imposing the responsibility for their existence/maintenance upon “representatives” who can never have your interest at heart, much less everyone’s combined.

  2. oldbrew says:

    I came across this today (brief extracts below, lots of calculations in the link):

    mayo 20, 2021
    Pressure and temperature of the atmosphere obtained from the gases that make up it.

    Author; Rogelio Pérez C

    As the problem is the increase in the temperature of the atmosphere, and this is a gas, I will use the laws of the gases to present the contributions of the temperature and pressure for each of the main gases that make up the atmosphere in dry air.
    . . .

    It can be concluded that if we remove gases such as carbon dioxide and methane from the atmosphere, the temperature of the atmosphere would be almost the same as what we currently have.

    It can also be concluded that gases known as greenhouse gases do not contribute at 33°C to the average temperature of the planet.

    Finally we can say that the strategy of removing carbon dioxide and methane from the planet’s atmosphere is not the best tool for combating heat climates.


  3. stpaulchuck says:

    once again, this is ALL based on crap computer models that cannot predict the past of the present
    oldbrew says:
    May 22, 2021 at 4:22 pm

    thanks for that oldbrew. It totally supports Nikolov’s and Zeller’s contentions that individual gases are meaningless. It is total atmospheric weight/density (and the sun of course).

  4. Gamecock says:

    ‘G7 countries’ climate and environment ministers also reaffirmed their commitment to keep temperature rises below 1.5 degrees Celsius by 2050’

    They use a decimal point to show they have a sense of humor.

    ‘The G7 countries — Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States and Britain — are home to major carmakers, and further agreed to “significantly accelerate” the shift away from petrol in the transport industry within the decade.’

    Except it is the buyers who decide. G7 can make any outlandish claims they want to. They have no control of it. They are preening for each other. It signifies nothing.

  5. tom0mason says:

    “G7 countries want to prevent ‘uncontrollable climate change’ “
    G7 are behaving as in the apocryphal tale of King Canute, believing as they do that they can hold back the tide of climate change.
    The G7 has already failed as mankind has never controlled the climate and probably never will. They pontificate such irrational fear-filled nonsense to willfully oppress their own nations and poorer nations populations, while keeping the wealth pouring into their crony capitalists pockets.

  6. Phoenix44 says:

    I thought these claims of “trigger points” had been debunked and a fair few climate scientists had disassociate themselves from them?

    There no reason they would exist and plenty of evidence from previous warmer climates they do not.

  7. dennisambler says:


    “It’s all a charade. The news was no news. A group of countries that mostly don’t fund coal plants overseas agreed to keep not doing it. And Japan and Korea, who had already said they were phasing out their programs in 2016, said they would keep phasing it out.”

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  9. oldbrew says:

    MAY 24, 2021
    Europe has had a cold and wet spring – but will it last through summer?
    by Niko Wanders, The Conversation

    If summer is warmer than normal it won’t really be thanks to the cold wet spring, since weather patterns don’t persist for long enough. Instead, the forecast warm weather is part of a large trend of warmer summers and more droughts thanks to climate change.

    So since the world is warming, on average most forecasts will predict normal to warm summers. If you need to make an educated guess, this would be the best choice.

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    Answer to the question: nobody knows.

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