Information Tribunal orders Committee on Climate Change to reveal Net Zero calculations

Posted: August 7, 2021 by oldbrew in Accountability, climate, Legal, net zero, News, Politics
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English money going down the drain

Money down the drain [image credit: thisismoney.co.uk]

Show us your numbers! You have 35 days to do so, no more ducking and weaving allowed. ‘It is likely MPs were misled’ — strong stuff. Results due before the COP26 climate gab-fest.
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The Information Tribunal has ordered the Committee on Climate Change (CCC) to publish the calculations behind its claim that the UK economy can be decarbonised at modest cost, reports The GWPF.

The CCC’s figures were presented to Parliament ahead of the Net Zero emissions target nodded through in June 2019 to enshrine it in law.

The case was brought by Andrew Montford, the deputy director of the Global Warming Policy Forum.

The ruling, which dismisses almost all of the CCC’s arguments, comes after a two-year battle to obtain the cost calculations.

Extraordinarily, the CCC’s case centred around a claim that it had erased and overwritten the relevant information by the time of the FOI request, just six weeks after the publication of the Net Zero report, and indeed changed and lost it further subsequent to the request.

According to Mr Montford:

By arguing that it has overwritten and erased the spreadsheet data, the CCC has essentially admitted that its internal processes are a shambles. This is not a competent organisation and Parliament needs to investigate as a matter of urgency. If they can’t even manage simple matters of data retention, what hope is there that they can prepare a plausible costing of a multi-trillion pound project such as the decarbonisation of the UK economy?”

Full report here.

Comments
  1. JB says:

    Is there a time in the history of Man that governments were found to be fully competent?

    “All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.” Dune Frank Herbert

    “…the primary function of government is not to maintain freedom and security, but to ‘help business.’”p44 Our Enemy, the State, Albert Nock

  2. Gamecock says:

    An American question, what is an Information Tribunal?

  3. oldbrew says:

    Information Tribunal adjudicates on disputes arising from Freedom of Information requests.

    https://www.foi.directory/how-to-complain-about-an-foi-request/

  4. stpaulchuck says:

    WOW! how cool is this. I wish we had something like this in America.

    Some decades back I started asking for the source of any numbers thrown at us. In addition I always whip out the trusty calculator when I hear something happens so many times a day, like people dying of X or Y per day. The numbers are generally inflated by one or more orders of magnitude.

  5. Graeme No.3 says:

    IF the CCC are to be believed then their own words condemn them: Extraordinarily, the CCC claimed that it had erased and overwritten the relevant information by the time of the FOI request, just six weeks after the publication of the Net Zero report, and indeed changed and lost it further subsequent to the request.
    Unbelievable incompetence. They, themselves, may have thought the report was complete rubbish but they were advising the government and surely should have been ready for further questions.

  6. oldbrew says:

    a two-year battle to obtain the cost calculations

    They lost (haha) the calculations and wasted two years arguing about it, spending a fortune on big-time lawyers. Jokers.

  7. If you calculate the hydrocarbon combustion released energy corresponding to the annual global emission of CO2, it corresponds to a forcing of 0.1-0.2 watts / m^2. Not too far short of the lowest CO2 sensitivity estimates.

    https://ptolemy2.wordpress.com/2021/08/06/could-fossil-fuel-warming-be-just-combustion-heat-not-radiative-whatnot/

  8. oldbrew says:

    WRITTEN BY DAVID ROSE ON AUG 9, 2021.
    Judge Orders Climate Wonks To Back Up Claim Of 1% Of GDP To Hit Net Zero

    A court has told climate policy chiefs to show why they think reaching net-zero carbon emissions will cost only 1 percent of GDP.
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    Judge Sophie Buckley said: ‘There is an extremely strong public interest in enabling scrutiny of the data, models, and calculations which underpin the CCC’s conclusion that the net-zero target could be met at an annual resource cost of up to 1-2 percent of GDP.

    ‘Any errors in the calculations that led to the CCC’s conclusions, which, in turn, led to the legislative change, have the potential to have a very significant impact on the lives and finances of large numbers of people, on the spending of large sums of public money, and on the policies of the UK Government over the next 30 years.’

    https://climatechangedispatch.com/judge-orders-climate-wonks-to-back-up-claim-of-1-of-gdp-to-hit-net-zero/
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    ‘scrutiny of the data, models, and calculations’ — if you can find any 🙄