EU climate chief talks up hypothetical ‘green’ hydrogen

Posted: May 7, 2022 by oldbrew in Emissions, Energy, hydrogen, Politics
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Good luck with the costs and the leakage losses from shipping. Only last month the same source reported a study saying Germany’s global hydrogen plans could accelerate climate change. The study said ‘In the worst-case scenario, hydrogen could even prove 16 times more harmful than the widespread greenhouse gas.’ The EU obviously isn’t bothered by that study, or one by the British government warning of 13% leakage losses from tanker transport of hydrogen. ‘The 75-page report, Atmospheric Implications of Increased Hydrogen Use, explains that H2 is an indirect greenhouse gas, which reacts with other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere to increase their global warming potential (GWP)’. What real world problem do they think they’re trying to solve? Looks like yet another trip to cloud cuckoo land.
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Hydrogen will be essential for Europe’s future economy, particularly to store and transport green energy, EU climate chief Frans Timmermans told the European Parliament on Thursday (28 April) — Euractiv reporting.

“I strongly believe in green hydrogen as the driving force of our energy system of the future,” said Timmermans in a meeting with the environment committee.

“Hydrogen is going to be a pivotal element in our economy of the future,” he added in a discussion that covered the impact of the war in Ukraine, the state of play with Europe’s new climate legislation and food security.

Strategic alliances

The meeting came in the wake of Russia cutting off gas supplies to Poland and Bulgaria and as the EU tries to break away from using Russian fossil fuels.

In the interim, this means Europe will need more liquified natural gas (LNG) and pipeline gas from other partners, said Timmermans. This should come from as many different supplier countries as possible so the EU does not become overly dependent on one, he added.

One problem with this, however, is that many suppliers are looking for long term contracts for fossil gas, but see that Europe’s demand will likely decrease as it decarbonises and looks to renewables.

So the European Commission is offering long term partnerships that would start with a supply of LNG and “end up in the hydrogen economy”, according to Timmermans.

“Is this a lock-in into LNG? Not if we offer long term cooperation projects moving towards hydrogen,” he explained.

Timmermans envisions a hydrogen economy around the Mediterranean, where every country is dependent on the others and each has “a stake in this production, distribution, utilisation of green hydrogen”.

“This is the future,” said Timmermans. “This is how you also create more stability in the geopolitical system. This is how you offer an enormous opportunity for the development of Africa.”
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Europe is “never going to be capable to produce its own hydrogen in sufficient quantities,” said Timmermans.

Full report here.

  1. stpaulchuck says:

    continuous spew of pie-in-the-sky FUTURE wonderfulness that never seems to come about. I’m still waiting for my flying car for commuting.

  2. landzek says:

    I like reading your blog because it gives me an alternate version of what people are thinking. I wonder though, the tone of your posts seem very antagonistic. And I’m wondering how it is that you know everything? How come you are so blessed to be able to discern the actual true knowledge of things, and then the other million or so people that believe this climate change are all delusional?

    I don’t mean this as an accusation, as much as I mean this as to what’s actually occurring. How is it that some people know the “true knowledge“ and other people don’t?
    How do you account for that?

  3. Gamecock says:

    Green hydrogen will work great for a million people.

    . . . everyone else dies.

  4. Gamecock says:

    You have it backwards, landzek.

    “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” — Carl Sagan

    Don’t ask Paul how he can object to their claims; ask THEM where is their evidence.

  5. ilma630 says:

    And that is the problem; they “believe” in so many impossible and daft schemes, it’s just become comical, if it weren’t so serious.

  6. They Wrote:
    “The point that the hydrogen economy will not function if you don’t solve the issue of grids and storage is clear because you will generate a lot of electricity in places where you don’t need the electricity, so you need to get the energy where you need it and some will be in pure electricity, but some will go through electrolysing into hydrogen or ammonia or a blend,” he explained.

    The major point is, with a complicated grid in which electricity is produced far from where it is used, power lines, pipelines and other transportation for energy can never be protected. If Russia decided to attack Europe, they would take out most of the Green Power Generation and storage and Grids in about the first day or week.

    Russia still owns most of Europe and will as long as Europe does not build regional power generation using fossil fuels and Nuclear and uses local Grids that can be protected.

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  8. oldbrew says:

    Europe is “never going to be capable to produce its own hydrogen in sufficient quantities,” said Timmermans.
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    Some other places are going to have masses of *surplus* hydrogen from non-fossil sources? Optimistic. Or does he expect them to supply Germany and have none themselves?

  9. Chaswarnertoo says:

    You could add some carbon atoms to the H2 and have a better fuel. You could call it gas…

  10. Landzek I know climate has always changed in natural cycles because all the data from ice cores and other records show that is what did happen. The Models that show different have not matched the real data. They show dozens of model runs, hotter and colder and they just pick something.

    The powers that have caused all this damage to western countries grids have strangely not been implemented in China, India or Russia. They figured out how to get us to destroy ourselves. They are not trying to save the earth, they would need to get China and India and Russia to go green, they are not even talking about trying that.

    Clearly, we have been lied to and too many of us fell for it, we even have leaders who are in on the conspiracy.

  11. Coeur de Lion says:

    Europe is not going to ‘decarbonise’. Take a bet?

  12. Gamecock says:

    Decarbonize and the carbonized will overrun you.

    The carbonized shall inherit the earth.

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