Disappearing glaciers for a century or more – so why wasn’t the crashed plane visible on the surface the whole time? We’re told: ‘The bodies of the three passengers were recovered by authorities at the time, but police say they didn’t have the capabilities to remove the plane from such a remote area.’ A video about the same story says ‘the glaciers have lost half their volume in less than a century’. Did they mean less than half a century? Something seems amiss here.
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In a helicopter high above the Swiss Alps, we see climate change in action, asserts Sky News.
The glacial ice is melting at an unprecedented rate, revealing items frozen long ago.
A scar suddenly appears in the bright white snow. A crumple of silver and red.
“That’s the plane,” says our guide, Dominik Nellen, pointing.
Below us on the Aletsch glacier is the wreck of a Piper Cherokee aircraft lost in 1968.
Hidden for more than half a century, it re-emerged without warning when the ice melted at the start of August.
“At first I thought it was two backpacks,” explains Dominik, as the helicopter lands nearby and we pick our way across the ice to the twisted metal sticking out of the snow.
A mountain guide for more than a decade, he regularly treks this route.
Then one day, he saw the plane rising out of the snow.
“First I saw the wings, I saw the seats over there. I saw an eyeglass case. A Nivea cream and a red hat and damaged objects distributed,” he says.
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“one day, he saw the plane rising out of the snow”
“it re-emerged without warning”
Extraordinary plane
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This P38 Lockheed Lightning “Glacier Girl” which landed on the Greenland icecap in July 1942 was recovered from under 268 feet of ice which had covered it.
And yet we’re told the Greenland ice cap is melting…
https://p38assn.org/glacier-girl-recovery/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/glacier-girl-the-back-story-19218360/
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Glaciers flow.
‘Glaciers flow’.
True, but mainly from the base AFAIK. Wikipedia says:
Ice behaves like a brittle solid until its thickness exceeds about 50 m (160 ft). The pressure on ice deeper than 50 m causes plastic flow.
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The top 50 m (160 ft) of a glacier are rigid because they are under low pressure. This upper section is known as the fracture zone and moves mostly as a single unit over the plastic-flowing lower section.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier#Motion
[…] Disappearing glaciers ‘reveal’ 50-year-old plane wreckage in the Swiss Alps – so it became sno… […]
Of course they flow, but not vertically downwards
Plus, I’d be surprised if two hundred and sixty-odd foot thick layer of glacier ice could flow over a P38 without rearranging it in some way!
Not sure I understand this. Are they saying that items buried in a glacier reappearing is a sign of climate change?
A glacier flows down from the high valley where it starts to the lowland end where it melts. Even if the glacier was melting, ALL itemd in are carried downstream and eventually ejected.
dodgy geezer:
The planes (there were several) in Greenland landed on snow, and were then buried by more snow. One was recovered from the snow, which had far greater depth than originally thought. No explanation forthcoming as that might raise doubts about “settled science”.
If the rate of melting exceeds the rate of flow then the front of a glacier retreats to higher ground where the temperature is lower. This exposes buried items. The Grindlwald glacier that melted back a few years ago exposed the remains of a forest known to have been crushed in 1240 A.D. but so far hasn’t melted further to expose a channel cut in the rock (to deliver melt water) that was covered in 1205 A.D. Then there are those passes in the Alps used by the Romans becoming (almost) passable, or that one from Norway to Sweden which has yield a number of items of interest (to archaeologists) discarded from before 1300 A.D. and in older periods of warmer climate.
‘Are they saying that items buried in a glacier reappearing is a sign of climate change?’
Yes. But it could only have become buried since 1968 when it crashed there, whereas they claim glacier melt started well before that. What do they think buried it?
This then should be interesting. Not just because of the find but also because of the timing. It is post an Eddy cycle peak – a warming period – , and due to the abruptness of the event. (Otzi did not even have time to deteriorate due to residual body heat).
The ice around the find place did not move; it was in a depression. The tree line had receded to lower altitude to where the permanent ice line had advanced.
Concurrently the Sahara climate had changed abruptly, for it to become desiccated within a century.
Otzi’s appearance is again due to receding ice line to higher latitude. We are heading to a peak warming period again; and Eddy peak.
Link: file:///C:/Users/c%20r%20sant/Downloads/A_major_widespread_climatic_change_around_5300_cal.pdf
[mod] https://www.academia.edu/en/74777587/A_major_widespread_climatic_change_around_5300_cal_yr_BP_at_the_time_of_the_Alpine_Iceman
Prehistoric Viking weapons revealed as glaciers melt in Norway during heat wave
AUGUST 30, 2022
Wedged partially underneath a pile of loose stones on the edge of the ice, researchers found a 1,500-year-old arrow, they announced on Aug. 18.
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“The ice works like a giant deep freezer and can preserve the artifacts in a pristine conditions, like they were lost yesterday,” Pilø told McClatchy News. “Once they melt out though, the clock starts ticking fast. We need to search for and rescue these artifacts before it is too late.”
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nation-world/world/article265075029.html