Climate models unreliable in predicting wave damage to coral reefs

Posted: September 22, 2022 by oldbrew in climate, modelling, predictions, research, Uncertainty, waves, weather, wind
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Australian coral [image credit: heraldsun.com.au]


Probably not much of a shock. One researcher said: “The models are accurate in projecting at a global scale that cyclones in the future are highly likely to be more intense because of climate change. But they are less accurate in projecting how those cyclones will affect individual coral reefs — that is the result of more localised conditions such as the pounding of waves.” But ‘accurately projecting’ that something is ‘highly likely’ in the future sounds more like an assertion than actual science.
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Climate models are unreliable when it comes to predicting the damage that tropical cyclones will do to sensitive coral reefs, according to a study published in the journal Earth’s Future.

With the expectation that tropical cyclones will increase in intensity with climate change, there has been interest among conservationists to use the models to identify the vulnerability of reef communities to storm damage, and to target conservation and protection efforts at those coral reefs that are less likely to be impacted by climate change, says Science Daily.

But a team of researchers from the University of Leeds in the UK, the Australian Institute for Marine Science and the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CISRO) is urging caution when using the climate models, arguing they are not yet reliable enough to determine which reefs will be most at risk from cyclone damage.

Cyclones are a moving weather system that create storm conditions including heavy rainfall, waves and powerful circular winds. The most damaging weather is found close to the eye of a cyclone, an area with a typical diameter of about 50 km.

Heavy waves can break apart the coral reefs — and the most destructive impact is seen when cyclones that are intense move or track close to coral reef ecosystems.

Dr Marji Puotinen, a spatial and ecological data scientist at the Australian Institute of Marine Science and co-author of the paper, said: “It can take decades to centuries for coral communities to recover from the damage that is caused by extreme weather events — and it is important that conservationists target their limited resources at those reefs which are more likely to survive climate change.

“To do that, they need to assess the vulnerability of coral reefs in the face of more extreme weather patterns. But currently, we are urging caution when it comes to predicting the damage that could be done to a coral reef from future cyclones.”

Full article here.

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  2. Gamecock says:

    “The models are accurate in projecting at a global scale that cyclones in the future are highly likely to be more intense because of climate change.”

    Given climate change, . . . .

    Water temperature is not a limiting factor on tropical cyclones. Ocean waters get plenty hot every year. More storms, or more powerful storms, are a function of weather conditions. Perfect example: this year. IN SPITE OF VERY HOT WATER, this Atlantic storm season has been D.E.A.D.

    Their assertion, ‘likely to be more intense,’ whatever that means, shows their ignorance of tropical cyclones.

    ‘Climate models unreliable in predicting wave damage to coral reefs’

    When I read that, I thought, “They are also unreliable in predicting when the cherries bloom.” I.e., these guys are so smitten they have let go of reality. They really think ‘climate models’ should predict which reefs get damaged? We see a hurricane 4 days out from landfall, and we don’t know where it will hit. Estimates will range a couple hundred miles, and will be readjusted every 4 hours. They think that ‘climate models’ should predict individual storms and where they will hit decades out? They live in a fantasy world.

    ‘urging caution when using the climate models, arguing they are not yet reliable enough to determine which reefs will be most at risk from cyclone damage’

    Why would you need to issue such a warning? They believe there are people who actually need to be told this? And they expect that someday the models will predict such? That will be in V 3.0?

  3. ivan says:

    All these computer modelrs have forgotten the truism from the days of the first digital computers which simply stated is GI=GO (garbage in = garbage out). Because of that their models will always output garbage, they have no reliable information to input – it is all guesswork.

  4. oldbrew says:

    Expert: “It can take decades to centuries for coral communities to recover from the damage that is caused by extreme weather events”.

    And yet recent supposedly severe coral events haven’t had the expected long-term effect.

    Great Barrier Reef Coral Cover Hits Record Levels For Second Year


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    From this evidence, corals seem a lot less weak and feeble than alarmists imagine.

  5. oldbrew says:

    “The models are accurate in projecting at a global scale that cyclones in the future are highly likely to be more intense because of climate change.”

    The future hasn’t arrived, so the accuracy or otherwise of the projections is guesswork at best.

  6. Spirit of the Wind says:

    The cracks have been showing in the Climate McScience Dam for a few years now I reckon its starting to break, why?
    Looks like the Big Money is getting cold feet, including Blackrock, from Zero Hedge.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/43-billion-nyc-pension-system-reassess-relationship-blackrock-over-esg-backtracking

  7. Phoenix44 says:

    “The models are accurate in projecting at a global scale that cyclones in the future are highly likely to be more intense because of climate change.”

    How can he possibly know that? The future hasn’t arrived yet to test his model. Do they actually believe they are accurate?

  8. oldbrew says:

    We believe our models are good because we like what they say 🤣

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