Derbyshire fossil study wanders into climate alarm zone

Posted: October 22, 2022 by oldbrew in alarmism, climate, History, research, Temperature
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Credit: douglal @ Wikipedia


Headline: ‘Derbyshire fossil study reveals insights into Peak District’s 12 million year-old climatic past’. Sounds plausible perhaps. But the article below contains a big blunder, or at least a propaganda trick. The relevant quote: ‘Today Derbyshire has a mean annual temperature of around 8°C with up to 1000mm of rain a year, 12 million years ago it was 12-18°C with 1200-1400mm of rain. This doubling of temperature was with atmospheric carbon dioxide levels similar to those predicted for 2060.’ Doubling? In Kelvin terms the increase is more like 3%, but maybe that wouldn’t sound startling enough. The expressed idea here turns out to be to promote ‘carbon capture’.
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A decade-long study into unique rocks near a Derbyshire village has been uncovering the secrets of what the county and the Peak District might have looked like under a much warmer and wetter past, says Northumbria University (via Phys.org).

Although first studied over 10 years ago, the most recent investigation into geological deposits near Brassington was initiated in 2019, with an international team of researchers from Northumbria University, the British Geological Survey, Morehead State University in the U.S. and CONICET in Argentina now assessing their latest findings.

The complex techniques used can analyze the fossil pollen of plants and spores of fungi captured within the rock layer, helping to form a picture of past habitats and reconstruct likely climatic conditions far beyond our most recent understanding of the Peak District.

With plants and fungi generally favoring particular conditions, researchers are able to determine what the environment may have looked like some 12 million years ago.

The results and insights are unique to the study location in Derbyshire, as there are no other rocks of a similar age anywhere else in the UK.

Gaining similar understanding to life and climate in Europe so far back would likely require analysis of rocks from Germany or the Netherlands and then assuming these were the same for Derbyshire and the Peak District.

The results from the Derbyshire site and similar studies have gone on to suggest that the UK may get wetter with climate change. Today Derbyshire has a mean annual temperature of around 8°C with up to 1000mm of rain a year, 12 million years ago it was 12-18°C with 1200-1400mm of rain.

This doubling of temperature was with atmospheric carbon dioxide levels similar to those predicted for 2060. These differences in temperature and rainfall would fundamentally change the entire landscape.

This highlights how important carbon capture is to avoid extreme changes in climate.

Full article here.

Comments
  1. Stephen Richards says:

    That is a very cunning trick. Of course had they gone further back in time they would have found the same temperature with less co2. But of course they fail to emphasize the glorious diversity of nature at that time

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  3. Gamecock says:

    ‘A decade-long study into unique rocks near a Derbyshire village has been uncovering the secrets’

    Secrets? ‘Secrets,’ just waiting to be dug up.

    ‘With plants and fungi generally favoring particular conditions, researchers are able to determine what the environment may have looked like some 12 million years ago.’

    . . . record scratch . . .

    NFW. You could imagine what TODAY’s environment may look like with those conditions. You have extremely limited knowledge of what plant and animal life existed 12 million years ago.

    They PROJECT the PRESENT on the past. In history, this is known as “presentism.”
    In biology, it is known as “dumb.”

    Study grade: D.

  4. JB says:

    “reconstruct likely climatic conditions”
    “what the environment may have looked like”
    “similar studies have gone on to suggest”
    “The results and insights are unique to the study location”

    Maybes, likelies, suggestions. These produce insight?

    Suggests Feminist style thinking to me…

  5. catweazle666 says:

    So Dr. Matthew Pound from Northumbria University, which was behind the study doesn’t know that you can’t just do arithmetic on Centigrade – or Faharenheit, come to that – temperatures without normalising them to absolute temperatures…
    I wonder what his doctorate was awarded for…
    Par for the course with “climate scientists”, of course.

  6. oldbrew says:

    Studying fossils has nothing to do with so-called carbon capture.
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    This doubling of temperature was with atmospheric carbon dioxide levels similar to those predicted for 2060.

    But the CO2 level rises *followed* the temperature rises in the past, therefore could not have been a primary cause of them, so the comparison isn’t valid.

    Also, warmer oceans absorb less CO2 because they’re too busy releasing it…
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20413-warmer-oceans-release-co2-faster-than-thought/

    First the warming, then the CO2 release.

  7. Bob Greene says:

    I guess I got spoiled an education in chemistry that generally required absolute temperatures in meaningful calculations. What were sea levels during that period? Also, we hear tales of the next great mass extinction at those temperatures but I can’t find one for 12,000,000 years ago. Climate science is wonderful.

  8. Graeme No.3 says:

    The Miocene was named by Scottish geologist Charles Lyell and means “less recent” because it has 18% fewer modern marine invertebrates than the Pliocene has.
    As Earth went from the Oligocene through the Miocene and into the Pliocene, the climate slowly cooled towards a series of ice ages.
    The Miocene warming began 21 million years ago and continued until 14 million years ago, when global temperatures took a sharp drop—the Middle Miocene Climate Transition (MMCT). By 8 million years ago, temperatures dropped sharply once again, and the Antarctic ice sheet was already approaching its present-day size and thickness. Greenland may have begun to have large glaciers as early as 7 to 8 million years ago,
    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0708588105 queries the CO2 level and suggests it could have been 650 rather than 500 p.p.m.
    and https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/03/miocene-volcanism-carbon-dioxide-and-climate/

    So things were changing, with a deal of volcanic activity and geological upheavals and temperatures were dropping despite higher CO2 levels.

  9. Chaswarnertoo says:

    Did they find any Eeemian hippos?

  10. Phoenix44 says:

    So what caused CO2 levels to ge so much higher? And how come everything wasn’t ectinct?

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