Not a new story, but problems are getting worse thanks to net zero obsessions. Why authorise new capacity in areas where transmission lines are known to be inadequate?
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UK consumers are paying hundreds of millions of pounds to turn wind turbines off because the grid cannot deal with how much electricity they make on the windiest days, says Sky News.
The energy regulator Ofgem has told Sky News it is because the grid is “not yet fit for purpose” as the country transitions to a clean power system by 2035.
The National Grid Electricity System Operator (ESO), which is responsible for keeping the lights on, has forecast that these “constraint costs”, as they are known, may rise to as much as £2.5bn per year by the middle of this decade before the necessary upgrades are made.
The problem has arisen as more and more wind capacity is built in Scotland and in the North Sea but much of the demand for electricity continues to come from more densely populated areas in the south of the country.
In order to match supply and demand, the National Grid has to move electricity from where it is being made to where it is needed.
But at the moment there aren’t enough cables between Scotland and England to do that.
There is one major undersea cable off the west coast of the UK, and two main junctions between the Scottish and English transmission networks on land.
This bottleneck means that when it is very windy there is actually too much electricity for these cables to handle without risking damage.
And because we can’t store excess renewable energy at the necessary scale yet, the National Grid Electricity System Operator has no option but to ask wind generators to turn off their turbines.
According to analysis by energy technology company Axle Energy, using publicly available data from the electricity system’s balancing market platform Elexon, in 2022 the National Grid spent £215m paying wind generators to turn off, reducing the total amount generated by 6%, and a further £717m turning on gas turbines located closer to the source of demand, in order to fill the gap.
These costs are eventually passed to UK consumers as part of the network costs section on energy bills.
Constraint costs are not just restricted to clean, cheap [sic] wind power.
In order to balance the system, the National Grid pays fossil fuel generators to ramp production up and down when necessary too.
But there is a particular focus on the impact of increasing levels of variable renewable generation and how that can be best managed.
‘A huge risk – and a waste’
Director of policy for the renewable industry group RenewableUK, Ana Musat, told Sky News her members have been calling for upgrades to the grid for years.
She is now concerned the lack of transmission capacity may jeopardise the government’s promise to decarbonise power generation by 2035 and get to net-zero carbon emissions by 2050.
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The energy department and Ofgem recognise the problem.
They recently set out joint plans to “overhaul” underwater and onshore transmission networks to connect up to 50GW of offshore wind to the grid by 2030, including two new undersea cables between Scotland and England that have already been approved.
But in a statement to Sky News an Ofgem spokesperson admitted the grid was not yet “fit for purpose”.
Full article here.







This is worth watching in full.
The Great Climate Con | Alex Epstein | EP 312>
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How things really work – or don’t…
The Tories’ wind power delusion
— by Matt Ridley
03 December 2022
Now do the arithmetic: wind generated about 4 per cent of our total energy in 2020 (people find this number hard to believe, but it’s true: not electricity, note, energy). But only in the second half of its life is a wind farm saving emissions. So all the UK’s wind farms are reducing the nation’s emissions by just 2 per cent, or 0.02 per cent of global emissions.
If you think net zero matters – and even if you don’t – all this is crucial.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tories-wind-power-delusion/
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All CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere, of which at least 2/3rds is natural. So the emissions argument is feeble from the start, and the UK is said to create 1/100th of it.
Is this an ESG variant of a free market?
Duh, the subsidies and tax credits do not pay for upgrading transmission lines, they don’t profit from that, the subsidies only pay for more wind and solar which produce way too power to transmit or not enough to sustain the grids. They get paid too much in both the cases of too much or too little, why would they ever try to improve the grid because they would profit much less.
Do not look at what they say or write, look at the money that is flowing to prop up their power and riches.
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But only in the second half of its life is a wind farm saving emissions. \
As it approaches the time it must be replaced at huge costs of money and emissions, the claim it is saving emissions just before replacement and recycling emissions to replace the capability and emissions to recycle the useless parts, destroy that fake positive dream.
Oldbrew wrote:
All CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere, of which at least 2/3rds is natural. So the emissions argument is feeble from the start, and the UK is said to create 1/100th of it.
The amount of natural CO2 that goes “in and out” of the atmosphere every year is order of magnitude or more than the so called human part, that means that most of the increase in CO2 is more likely natural, I like to use 97%, that is the percent that most people will not dispute, however you use it, we have been conditioned to consider 97% correct.
This question was posed:
Why authorize new capacity in areas where transmission lines are known to be inadequate?
Then the next paragraph answers the question:
UK consumers are paying hundreds of millions of pounds to turn wind turbines off because the grid cannot deal with how much electricity they make on the windiest days.
Clearly, they make more money if the power is wasted, why would anyone wonder?
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So we are paying for capacity we cannot use because the Grid hasn’t got the capacity to use it? Seriously?
F F S !! and that’s ALL!
well , as I’ve been saying for some time – did you EVER SEE Herons or other Fisher-min, call others to come help catch non-fish ( ie at a no-fish area ) – an empty pond.
But the oh-so INTELLIGENT UK gubbermint and MSM still advise doing this daft procedure. Piss against the wind ? Go on then.
Re. — popesclimatetheory says: March 2, 2023 at 1:43 am
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We know why the turbines are being put up in some remote areas, despite poor or even zero grid connections. The question is: why does National Grid allow it?
Energy economist Professor Gordon Hughes said:
“It was very foolish of National Grid to agree to grid connections for new generators in the north of Scotland before upgrading the capacity of the North-South transmission lines.”
https://www.netzerowatch.com/payments-for-windfarms-to-switch-off-soar-to-quarter-billion-pounds/ [9th January 2023]
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Can’t store it. And never will be able to.
Hmm, under contempt for our regulators, etc ( dare I say – the Law too? ) ‘We know why the turbines are being put up in some remote areas, despite poor or even zero grid connections. The question is: why does National Grid allow it? …’ same way “engineers” have towed the line in ‘we can do it’ to follow the G R A V Y T R A I N.
and so what about current wind power production, this past few days? AND after around 14-15th December 2022, Production / consumption ( from @gridwatch) has fallen VERY sharply. Whycome ? GBN? TalkTV? , anyone?
Wind power fell due to high pressure systems lingering over much of the UK. Same reason for no named storms this season.
365 days without a named storm: So where did they all go?
Wednesday 8 February 2023
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-02-08/365-days-without-a-named-storm-so-where-did-they-all-go
But don’t get too cosy…
UK snow: Will the beast from the East return? How much snow will we get?
Thursday 2 March 2023
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-03-02/uk-snow-will-the-beast-from-the-east-return-how-much-snow-will-we-get
‘Europe’s biggest’ battery in East Yorkshire opens
The project has the capacity to store enough energy to power around 300,000 homes in Yorkshire for two hours
Friday 3 March 2023
Located at Pillswood near Cottingham, East Yorkshire, the £75 million facility has been developed by HEIT employing Tesla Megapack technology.
The project has the capacity to store up to 196MWh of electricity in a single cycle – enough energy to power around 300,000 homes in Yorkshire for two hours, the company said.
The site is located adjacent to National Grid’s Creyke Beck substation, the same connection point proposed for phases A and B of the world’s largest offshore wind farm, Dogger Bank.
The first phase of the offshore wind farm is expected to go live this summer.
The system is designed to provide critical balancing services to the electricity grid network.
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‘up to 196MWh of electricity’ – *up to* usually means *less than*.
Population of Yorkshire is about 5.5 million.
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