At least they now know about it. In tests, ‘inclusion of the eruptions degraded the model’s predictive capabilities’.
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Simulated volcanic eruptions may be blowing up our ability to predict near-term climate, according to a new study published in Science Advances.
The research, led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), finds that the way volcanic eruptions are represented in climate models may be masking the models’ ability to accurately predict variations in sea surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific that unfold over multiple years to a decade, says Phys.org.
These decadal variations in sea surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific are linked to climate impacts across the globe, including variations in precipitation and severe weather.
Accurate predictions, therefore, could provide community leaders, farmers, water managers, and others with critical climate information that allows them to plan years in advance.
“Near-term climate prediction on annual to decadal timescales is a rapidly growing and important field in the climate community because it bridges the gap between existing seasonal forecasts and centennial climate projections,” said Xian Wu, who led the study as a postdoctoral researcher at NCAR.
“When we rely on models to make these predictions, it’s important to carefully consider the model’s fidelity. In this case, we found that model errors in simulating the response to volcanic eruptions degraded our prediction skill.”
For the study, Wu and her colleagues relied on two parallel collections of climate simulations from the Decadal Prediction Large Ensemble, a dataset produced using the NCAR-based Community Earth System Model.
These simulations were run as hindcasts and cover the years from 1954–2015, allowing scientists to compare the simulations with what really occurred and evaluate their skill at predicting the future.
One collection of simulations included the three major volcanic eruptions that occurred during the study period: Agung (1963), El Chichón (1982), and Pinatubo (1991). The other collection did not.
Because it is well established that large volcanic eruptions can have significant, long-term cooling effects on the climate, Wu and her colleagues expected that the collection of simulations that included the volcanic eruptions would produce more accurate multiyear and decadal climate predictions.
Instead, they found that the inclusion of the eruptions degraded the model’s predictive capabilities, at least in the tropical Pacific, an area that is especially important because of the connections between sea surface temperatures and near-term climate events.
For example, the simulations that included the volcanoes predicted a subsequent cooling of the sea surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific after the eruptions. In reality, that region of the ocean warmed, a change that was well predicted by the simulations that did not include the volcanic eruptions.
These findings highlight the difficulty of accurately representing the complex climate impacts that follow a volcanic eruption in a model, a task made more challenging because researchers only have a few real-life examples in the observational record.
Scientists know that volcanoes can loft sulfur gases high into the stratosphere where they can transform into sunlight-reflecting aerosols. But how the resulting cooling ultimately affects the entire Earth system, including sea surface temperatures, is not well understood.
“We just don’t have enough observations,” Wu said. “And our methods to observe what is happening in the stratosphere have only been available since the satellite era, which means we only have Chichón and Pinatubo.”
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So they are saying that they haven’t a clue about climate and their computer games can’t work because of that.
What they need to do is get out into the real world and do some real measurements even if doing that will take years and be uncomfortable for not having warm offices to hide in. Until they do that all their output is just guessing and will never match what actually is going on, in other words ‘pie in the sky’.
Anyone who claims that a purported computer game – oops sorry, climate simulation of an effectively infinitely large open-ended non-linear feedback-driven (where we don’t know all the feedbacks, and even the ones we do know, we are unsure of the signs of some critical ones) chaotic system – hence subject to inter alia extreme sensitivity to initial conditions, strange attractors and bifurcation – is capable of making meaningful predictions over any significant time period is either a charlatan or a computer salesman.
Ironically, the first person to point this out was Edward Lorenz – a climate scientist.
Energy from magma entering ocean, with plume and blob heat transfer to the warmed ocean surface, is 1.4×10^9 Joules per tonne. The average output of a sea mount is 28×10^ m^3 pa, per White, or 78×10^6 tonnes, 1×10^17Joules pa AVERAGE. So a lot more when it’s actually working pumping rock. Big hot blobs.Whole ocean average = 5 x10^20 Joules pa, for 5,000 sea mounts. Easy maths, dumb climate scientists. Hard of physics and original thought. This varies dramatically through the ice age cycles, its high during interglacial events, surprise….. just sayin’
All that money and time spent and the Farmer’s Almanac is still more useful.
“it’s important to carefully consider the model’s fidelity” Climate research understatement of the century.
“simulations were…hindcasts” I can give them a real hindcast with a plate of frijoles. An eruption guaranteed to clear the lab and meltdown their computer hardware.
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“the science is settled!” And other jokes.
So the models without what happened were more accurate? Do they not hear themselves? Either therefore volcanoes have no effect or the models are just wrong.
The undeniable fact is that the models have no skill whatsoever. They are utterly useless. They cannot provide accurate forecasts over any time period. That climate science continues to deny this is shameful.
Another Day, Another CO2-Is-A-Climate-Driver Inconsistency
By Kenneth Richard on 13. April 2023
The global mean surface temperature (GMST) effects of a 1 W/m² radiative forcing, or positive/negative energy imbalance, has been gleaned from the observations from the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption. CO2’s climate effects are claimed to be many times larger than observations indicate.
The observed climate sensitivity (CS) to a perturbation to Earth’s Energy Imbalance (EEI) is, in a new study (Pauling et al., 2023), defined as -0.4°C per -9 W/m², or 0.044°C per W/m². These values were gleaned from observations from Mt. Pinatubo.
https://notrickszone.com/2023/04/13/another-day-another-co2-is-a-climate-driver-inconsistency/
There’s also a methane exaggeration problem…
Methane may not warm the Earth quite as much as previously thought
The gas absorbs both longwave and shortwave radiation, with competing effects on climate
18 Apr 2023
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/methane-warm-earth-atmosphere-radiation
Also:
The Misguided Crusade to Reduce Anthropogenic Methane Emissions
2 months ago