Why the surprise? Natural climate cycles are well documented in Earth’s history. Their ‘many glaciers’ turn out to mostly mean the area around Thwaites Glacier (aka the Doomsday Glacier), known to be affected by subglacial volcanoes and other geothermal “hotspots”, which obviously have nothing to do with the current obsession over atmospheric trace gases.
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The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is shrinking, with many glaciers across the region retreating and melting at an alarming rate, claims the British Antarctic Survey @ Phys.org.
However, this was not always the case according to new research published last month (April 28) in The Cryosphere. [Talkshop comment – self-evident].
A team of scientists from the International Thwaites Glacier Collaboration (ITGC), including two researchers from British Antarctic Survey (BAS), discovered that the ice sheet near Thwaites Glacier was thinner in the last few thousand years than it is today.
This unexpected find shows that glaciers in the region were able to regrow following earlier shrinkage.
Sea level rise is already putting millions of people in low lying coastal communities around the world at risk from flooding. The contribution from melting Antarctic ice is currently the greatest source of uncertainty in predictions of how much and how quickly sea level will rise in the coming decades and centuries.
Together with its immediate neighbor, Thwaites Glacier currently dominates the Antarctic contribution to sea level rise.
To understand how this important glacier will respond to the climate changes expected in the coming century, scientists need to know how it behaves under a wide range of climatic conditions and over long timescales. Since satellite observations only go back a few decades in time, we need to look at the geological record to find this information.
Jonathan Adams, co-author and Ph.D. student at BAS, says, “By studying the history of glaciers like Thwaites, we can gain valuable insight into how the Antarctic Ice Sheet may evolve in future. Records of ice sheet change from rocks that are presently exposed above the ice sheet surface end around 5000 years ago, so to find out what happened since then, we need to study rock presently buried beneath the ice sheet.”
Using drills specially designed to cut through both ice and the underlying rock, the team recovered rock samples from deep beneath the ice sheet next to Thwaites Glacier. They then measured, in those rock samples, specific atoms that are made when rocks are exposed at the surface of the Earth to radiation coming from outer space.
If ice covers those rocks, these particular atoms are no longer made. Their presence can therefore reveal periods in the past when the ice sheet was smaller than present.
Keir Nichols, a glacial geologist from Imperial College London and a lead author of the study, says, “This was a huge team effort: several of us spent weeks away from home doing fieldwork in an extremely remote part of Antarctica, while others endured literally thousands of hours in the lab analyzing the rocks we collected.”
“The atoms we measured exist only in tiny amounts in these rocks, so we were pushing right to the limit of what is currently possible and there was no guarantee it would work. We are excited that this is the first study to reveal the recent history of an ice sheet using bedrock collected from directly beneath it”.
The team discovered that the rocks they collected were not always covered by ice. Their measurements showed that, during the past 5,000 years, ice near Thwaites Glacier was at least 35 meters thinner than it is now.
Furthermore, their models demonstrated that its growth since then — making the ice sheet the size it is today — took at least 3,000 years.
This discovery reveals that ice sheet retreat in the Thwaites Glacier region can be reversed. The challenge for scientists now is to understand the conditions required to make that possible.
Full article here.







[…] Rocks beneath Antarctic Ice Sheet reveal ‘surprising past’- i.e. natural variation […]
Two questions, first, is the part they are talking about floating on the sea, and second, if so why are they talking about rising sea levels?
Maybe their problem is one of being conned by their own climate change rhetoric.
ivan – the idea seems to be that if the Thwaites Ice Shelf broke off, the glacier would flow faster into the sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thwaites_Glacier#Predictions
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See also: West Antarctic Ice Sheet
“Parts of the Antarctic ice sheet that rest on bedrock below sea level have begun to discharge ice fast enough to make a significant contribution to sea level rise. Understanding the reason for this change is urgent in order to be able to predict how much ice may ultimately be discharged and over what timescale. Current computer models do not include the effect of liquid water on ice sheet sliding and flow, and so provide only conservative estimates of future behaviour.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet
And for our next climate scare…
Why melting ice in Antarctica is making hurricanes worse in Texas
May 31, 2023
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/30/1178892703/why-melting-ice-in-antarctica-is-making-hurricanes-worse-in-texas
How ‘bad’ is it?…
Wikipedia: The melting of these three glaciers alone is contributing an estimated 0.24 millimetres (0.0094 inches) per year to the rise in the worldwide sea level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet#Warming_and_net_ice_loss
Oh no 😛
If I got it correctly the primary source for the research is ‘cosmic rays’. One source of cosmic rays – courtesy Wiki – that is relatively nearby is the sun. So direction has something to do with it. Therefore if the earth changes its axial tilt (and evidence is now stronger it did so repeatedly in the Holocene), that should leave a trail in the two proxies measured, especially for a polar region.
How that impacts the interpretation of the results obtained, ???.
[reply] yes, see here — https://tc.copernicus.org/articles/17/1787/2023/#section4
In a roundabout way they confirm cyclic long-term variation in Antarctic conditions…
Study: In general terms, therefore, our results provide supporting evidence for the hypothesis that glacioisostatic rebound can provide an important stabilizing feedback on grounding line retreat. However, boundary conditions during a Late Holocene retreat–readvance cycle were not identical to present conditions.
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Article: Their measurements showed that, during the past 5,000 years, ice near Thwaites Glacier was at least 35 meters thinner than it is now.
So that’s the minimum possible natural variation in that ice over longer timescales. They seem to suggest in effect that when ice melts, the ground it was on gradually rises due to less weight on it, providing a bigger platform for more snow to become future ice and slow down glacier flow towards the sea.
What the “so called” experts do not understand is how polar ice is regulated. There is thermostat control of polar sequestered ice. The thermostat setting is the temperature that polar sea ice freezes and thaws. When enough polar ice is being pushed into turbulent salt water, the water is chilled below freezing and polar sea ice is formed to stop evaporation and snowfall and maintenance of polar sequestered ice. After the ice flows into the oceans until it becomes depleted, the polar sea ice is thawed and the evaporation and snowfall rebuilds the polar sequestered ice until enough is again causing the formation of the sea ice.
This is proven by ice core records, the most ice accumulation was and is in warmest times while the least ice accumulations was and is in coldest times.
these so-called ‘experts’ are constantly getting surprised by the real world which refuses to bend to their Play Station climate and Earth models.
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts” – Richard Feynman
Reblogged this on Climate Collections.
New Study Destroys ‘Doomsday Glacier’ Narrative…Today’s Ice 8 Times 𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑐𝑘𝑒𝑟 Than Last 8000 Years
By Kenneth Richard on 29. May 2023
The thickness of the ice sheet at this Amundsen Sea region site averages about 40 m today.
Scientists (Balco et al., 2023) have used cosmogenic-nuclide concentrations and bedrock cores to determine the ice sheet is presently around 8 times thicker than it was for most of the last 8,000 years of the Holocene, when the ice thickness ranged between 2 m and 7 m.
https://notrickszone.com/2023/05/29/new-study-destroys-doomsday-glacier-narrative-todays-ice-8-times-%f0%9d%98%9b%f0%9d%98%a9%f0%9d%98%aa%f0%9d%98%a4%f0%9d%98%ac%f0%9d%98%a6%f0%9d%98%b3-than-last-8000-years/
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Doomsday further away than thought 😎