
Prosperity via subsidies, making the energy that powers economies more scarce and/or more expensive, always sounded like a fantasy.
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When she took to the floor to give her State of the Union speech on 13 September, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen largely stood by the script, says Phys.org.
Describing her vision of an economically buoyant and sustainable Europe in the era of climate change, she called on the EU to accelerate the development of the clean-tech sector, “from wind to steel, from batteries to electric vehicles.”
“When it comes to the European Green Deal, we stick to our growth strategy,” von der Leyen said.
Her plans were hardly idiosyncratic.
The notion of green growth—the idea that environmental goals can be aligned with continued economic growth—is still the common economic orthodoxy for major institutions like the World Bank and the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
The OECD has promised to “strengthen their efforts to pursue green growth strategies […], acknowledging that green and growth can go hand-in-hand,” while the World Bank has called for “inclusive green growth” where “greening growth is necessary, efficient, and affordable.”
Meanwhile, the EU has framed green growth as “a basis to sustain employment levels and secure the resources needed to increase public welfare […] transforming production and consumption in ways that reconcile increasing GDP with environmental limits.”
However, a survey of nearly 800 climate policy researchers from around the world reveals widespread skepticism toward the concept in high-income countries, amid mounting literature arguing that the principle may neither be viable nor desirable.
Instead, alternative post-growth paradigms including “degrowth” and “agrowth” are gaining traction.
Differentiating green growth from agrowth and degrowth
But what do these terms signify?
The “degrowth” school of thought proposes a planned reduction in material consumption in affluent nations to achieve more sustainable and equitable societies.
Meanwhile, supporters of “agrowth” adopt a neutral view of economic growth, focusing on achieving sustainability irrespective of GDP fluctuations.
Essentially, both positions represent skepticism toward the predominant “green growth” paradigm with degrowth representing a more critical view.
Much of the debate centers around the concept of decoupling—whether the economy can grow without corresponding increases in environmental degradation or greenhouse gas emissions.
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Later paragraph heading:
7 out of 10 climate experts skeptical of green growth
Full article here.






Basically anything ‘green’ should be looked at as being useless especially when we are told about it by ‘social’ scientists that know nothing about how the world works since real scientists that keep the world working don’t agree with that idea.
It also appears that the greens carefully picked who they asked for an opinion so they could get the answer they wanted to be pushed by the EU.
whether the economy can grow without corresponding increases in environmental degradation or greenhouse gas emissions.
The environmental degradation of mineral mining will happen anyway…
Devastating risks of transitioning to ‘green’ energy: Mining for electric-powering minerals has left 23 million people exposed to toxic waste, 500,000km of rivers polluted and 16 million acres of farmland ruined
21 September 2023
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12545855/Devastating-transition-green-energy-metal-mining-23-million-people-toxic-waste-rivers-polluted-farmland.html
And they’re just getting started.
People miss the point of this double talk. The Green Growth is not in the environment, it’s in the vaults.
From the blog post:
Six national and regional governments—Scotland, New Zealand, Iceland, Wales, Finland, and Canada—have joined the Wellbeing Economy Governments (WEGo) partnership. The primary aim of the movement is to transition to “an economy designed to serve people and planet, not the other way around.”
What other way round? If people don’t work there isn’t an economy.
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The Wellbeing Economy Governments partnership (WEGo) is a collaboration of national and regional governments interested in sharing expertise and transferrable policy practices to advance their shared ambition of building Wellbeing Economies.…etc.
https://weall.org/wego
Who voted for this nonsense?
Growth is defined as doing more with less. It is thus exactly what environmentalists should support. What they actually dislike is that the markets that allow growth also allow us to decide what we value and we get it “wrong” most of the time. What they want is power – control over what we do, wherever go, what we eat, how we behave.
Do Planets RIPE? http://www.giurfa.com/ripening.pdf
Not on topic but I have to ask, why the change in the comments panel? I have tried three computers before I could post this. Is it because I don’t use windows or some other reason?
[mod] looks like WordPress has changed something – no Talkshop updates
The trouble is these politicians literally don’t understand what they are talking about. New industries are only worthwhile if they are more productive than the industries they replace. The only way to ensure that is via markets, which weed out the less productive. And jobs are a cost, not a benefit. It is easy to “create” jobs – ban combine harvesters say. But that would make food more expensive and replace high paying skilled jobs with low paying unskilled jobs. The way to have better new jobs is again via markets testing what is best and discarding what is worst. I don’t think 10% of politicians understand this.
Another type of green growth…
Wind farm accused of using loophole to pull in £647m
Renewable Energy Foundation alleges that consumers effectively overpaid hundreds of millions for Moray East wind farm in north-east Scotland
23 September 2023
The Renewable Energy Foundation (REF) alleged that consumers had effectively overpaid hundreds of millions of pounds for the Moray East wind farm in north-east Scotland as a result.
Moray East comprises 100 9.5MW turbines in the Moray Firth and is majority-owned by Ocean Winds.
According to analysis by the REF, between June 2021 and July 2023 it received more than £1.1 billion.
However, the think tank believes that a substantial proportion of that income is likely to be derived from controversial features of the energy system.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/23/scotland-wind-farm-accused-of-using-loophole/
Subsea cable failures pose global threat to offshore wind
“Insurers are losing money underwriting cables with the average settlement claim in the region of £9 million. Brokers have warned that the high number of cable claims is affecting capacity and coverage and the cost of repairs typically runs into millions, with warranties rarely covering the high cost of business interruption.
“If these critical components become uninsurable, offshore wind projects around the world will be derailed, making global 2050 net zero targets completely unachievable.”
Book Review: Green Breakdown
Monday 25th September 2023 | Professor Michael Kelly
‘Green Breakdown: The Coming Renewable Energy Failure’ by Steve Goreham
This is simply the best book I have read on the specific current set of global issues around climate change mitigation and energy policy. It is simply a must for everyone to read, and especially for those who advocate the green agenda. In my opinion, the latter have time now to repent their sins and to escape the worst of great retribution that will inevitably come when things go badly wrong.
To date more than $15 trillion has been wasted in efforts to switch to zero-carbon processes with little gained in energy-system performance, reliability or reduction in real pollution.
https://www.netzerowatch.com/book-review-green-breakdown/
Losses in reliability and performance.
How war in Ukraine sank Europe’s net zero plans
European politicians are reconsidering climate change action as they fear being punished by voters facing surging food and energy prices
26 September 2023
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/26/european-union-members-net-zero-climate-change-war-ukraine/
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‘Never mind the climate, what about my job!?’