Innlandet county, Norway [credit: NordNordWest @ Wikipedia]
An earlier article, featured here at the Talkshop said ‘artifacts have come to light thanks to a warming climate, proving that a mountain pass served as an important trade network’. We’re told ‘The pass was in use between the years 300 and 1500 AD, and most active around the year 1000. Its use declined with the Little Ice Age, around 1300, and the Black Death, around 1400.’ All of which suggests it was a popular route when conditions were warm enough. Of course any warmth back then that was similar to today can’t be ascribed to the non-natural causes claimed by climate alarmists as the only explanation for the current conditions. But they don’t address that issue.
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There is surely little upside to the environmental changes posed by global warming [Talkshop comment – standard doomster-speak], but nevertheless, a group of Norwegian archaeologists is seizing the opportunities presented by the country’s rapidly melting glaciers, says Artnet News.
That group is Glacier Archaeology Program—snappy internet alias: Secrets of the Ice—and since receiving permanent government funding in 2011 it has been responsible for 90 percent of Norway’s glacial finds.
Granted, the group’s success is partly tied to the topography of Innlandet. The county boasts many of Norway’s highest peaks, and the team has pursued salvaging artefacts from remote locations in a comprehensive and systematic manner. To date, it has made 4,000 finds across 66 sites.
The most recent discovery was a wooden arrow with a quartzite tip and intact feathers. The Jotunheimen mountain ice had preserved the arrow so well it appeared new. In fact, it is an estimated 3,000 years old, with archaeologists confident it belonged to a reindeer hunter in the late Stone Age or early Bronze age. It was one of roughly 250 objects found this season.
As the arrow’s condition attests, ice is an excellent preservative, but artifacts deteriorate rapidly once exposed to the elements. And the region’s ice is retreating fast. As one of the team’s archaeologists Lars Holger Pilø tells it, the group first started rescuing artefacts in 2006 following an unusually long and warm autumn. Now, such temperatures are hardly anomalous.
“The impact of climate change on our work has been and is profound,” Pilø told Artnet News. “The mountain ice is retreating and the finds are getting older, with the greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere [we estimate] 60 to 80 percent of the ice in our mountains will disappear.” Failure to curb global emissions risks near total melting. [Talkshop comment – evidence-free speculation on causes of warming].
Glacier Archaeology Program’s job, Pilø says, is to rescue as much of the historic evidence as quickly as possible.
Full article here.
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‘The pass was in use between the years 300 and 1500 AD, and most active around the year 1000.’
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Millennial JEV peak in year 997 🤔 (lower left in the image, click on it to enlarge)
Discussion:
Why is it assumed an archaeologist can make accurate predictions about climate change?
They’ve been told modern climate is linear, no cycles matter any more.
“Phoenix44 says:
October 17, 2023 at 8:04 am
Why is it assumed an archaeologist can make accurate predictions about climate change?”
An observation is not a prediction, though, is it?
And on this line, ever wondered how Hannibal got his elephants over the Alps? Well, it was in the Roman Warm Period, which was warmer than it is now (actually it’s bloody cold today here in rural Somerset).
Because they are self-appointed experts, also adept in making shock headlines for lazy media to publish without checking anything at all.
“Because they are self-appointed experts, also adept in making shock headlines for lazy media to publish without checking anything at all.”
Archaeologists? Really? Not to mention that there are NO predictions mentioned in this article at all.
From the article…
“The impact of climate change on our work has been and is profound,” Pilø told Artnet News. “The mountain ice is retreating and the finds are getting older, with the greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere [we estimate] 60 to 80 percent of the ice in our mountains will disappear.” Failure to curb global emissions risks near total melting.
Hmmm, those ****** Idiots, can not they see the elephant, NO, it’ll be the Mammoth before long ‘in the room’ ? Where did the Treasure come from? Talk about Stupid is what stupid does, these people. Those comments should have been ridiculed from the start and a fresh lot of REAL Scientists brought in.
You’d think they’d be eva-so-happy to be able to discover relics from the past. and as for where they came from, well, if it’s NOT from the seabed ( Mountain ranges rising ) it must be and ultimately is, from NEAR the TOP somewhere , brought down by the descending glacier over time. Even I can understand that, huh?
You may have grasped the wrong end of the stick too firmly ;-). What this proves with hard datable evidence of the raid and the relics is that now is approaching the temperatures that existed during the mediaeval warm period. This in tuern shows that now is probably cooler than then. There is similar archaeological evidence from the Holocene period across the civilised World. This includes a similar Alpine pass which cleared recently and Viking farming relics in Greenland that are also being released from the ice. Some of them are still held in the permafrost. If you go back further there are similar Roman and Egyptian remains from 2Ka and 3Ka BP warm eriods,and also stratification evidence from glaciers which again show the decline in temperature since the Holocene optimum, and the cyclic advance and retreet that goes withthe natural cycles. All well documented in the science in doznes of parers by hundreds of authors.
So this is all good stuff which demonstrates the utter deceit of UN IPCC modellers assertions that there was no natural change for 2000 years to 1850, then we caused all the warming so that’sall attributable to CO2. Bullshit at its most blatant.
in fact what we have is hard human presence evidence of exactly the opposite, and that the natural change this reveals is similar in range, rate and period to that we observe now – which means most of what we observe now is natural. CO2, in fact all AGW effect is small and indiscernible within it. I hope that’s clear.
In haste. Brian
[reply] all clear 👍
A post from Climate Audit in 2005.
Agreed. Indeed, this interstadial has followed the pattern of preceding ones.
1. Steep temperature rise for c2k years
2. Slow cooling, with warm periods, each COOLER than the last
3. Proper Ice Age
Goto 1.
We’ve been lied to on a monumental scale.
This is an excellent exposition of Holocene climate
https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/the-holocene-context-for-anthropogenic-global-warming-2/
Whats an interstadial? As I understand the reality, it is that the Holocene interglacial period started 17Ka BP, warmed 10-12 deg at the polar regions for 7Ka to 10Ka BP , maintained the warmest Holcene optimum to 3Ka BP, and has since cooled in a neo glacial trend headed to the next glacial floor for the last 3Ka, with a 1Ka period multi cyclic compound cycle superimposed, of +/- 2deg polar change every 1Ka, probably solar wind related, whose rises and falls tend to happen over 250a and the last 4 look like this James Covington graph, my mark up. NOre the shorter solar cycles are clearly seen superimposed on the MIlanovitch orbital related periods. Nature repeating itself. Like it does. THis time around with added Younger Dryas. WTF was that about?
Ah…
QUESTION: “What is the difference between interglacial and interstadial?”
ANSWER: Interglacials: Warm phases of 100-kyr cycles. Stadials: Relatively cold periods during glacials.
Interstadials: Relatively warm periods during glacials.
So the last one of those would have been BEFORE the time preceding the formation of the ice sheets which preceded the coldest period at the end of the last glacial phase, so before 35Ka BP, give or take. Nothing to do with the following 35Ka and the current Interglacial. Just sayin’, for clarity and precision…
Interstadial being the period in between “true” Ice Ages. I say “true” as technically the existence of significant ice caps – Greenland and Antarctica means we are still in an Ice Age.
A very good explanation of Holocene climate can be found here
https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/the-holocene-context-for-anthropogenic-global-warming-2/
Your comment confuses the actual geological definitions, even seems internally confused, to me. An interstadial occurs uniquely between interglacials and is a warm period within the glacial phase of one ice age cycle. Must be glacial either side.
An ice age is defined by permanent ice on the Poles, the fact for c.2.8Ma of ice age cycles now. First powered by the 41Ka obliquity cycle until 1Ma BP, then the 100Ka eccentricity cycle as now, with 41Ka and 23Ka cycles providing the heat impulses to create the interstadial periods WITHIN the glacial phase of the current ice age cycles. Sorry, but what you say is simply wrong , and your references are mainly about the Holocene, where interstadials cannot occur, by their simple definition.
Those short cycles of change within the Holocene are driven by solar related cycles, as is also well known, perhaps the best studied period, except by Mann, Marcott et al of Hokey Stick fame – who have forged the data to pretend they never happened, as reported by the odd hundred or so papers reporting these actual warmings and coolings from around the World, mostly from the study of changing sea levels and glacial nose stratification. Trust me, I have read many of them. Only the UN deny this published reality. Because they must. If you back out the natural background, as any competent experimenter would, there is no significant change left to attribute to the tiny human effect. Real, but VERY small.
PS There must be a small but well controlled warming from the small change in GHE, but nowhere near enough to cause a warming of 1deg since 1850, because the natural feedback that modellers also ignore by denial is so strong, and ensures thermal equilibrium at whatever SST temperature this requires. The Ocean alone delivers the single largest feedback across 71% of the planet by evaporation that convects over 100W/m^2 of heat energy to the troposphere “per NASA”, AND 84% of that is latent heat of water vapour that must vary by 7% per degree SST, as the largest negative feedback to any SST perturbation. PLUS the resulting cloud albedo from the Tropospheric cumulus clouds formed when the vapour condenses, clouds which cover 67% of the Earth and reflect the Sun. Go figure what happens to 1.6W/m^2 of radiative imbalance, that the IPCC claim as the effect of AGW, AFTER the perturbation it creates has been netted out by the dominant oceanic feedbacks. And there is another …… the simple Stefan Bolzmann radiative loss of heat from the solar warmed ocean and land surface to space direct, that increases with temperature , that changes by the 4th power of the absolute linear temperature change. THis is strong and what works for the Moon, Mars, etc, liquid-free surfaced planets, but it cannot be as strong as the oceanic feedback where the increased sensitivity provided by the phase change of liquid surface due to solar energy input increases feedback roughly 4 times. This also works for Jupiter’smoon Titan, where the active oceans and surface ice are controlled at the methane triple point and form Methane clouds and also create a similar lapse rate to the surface from 0.1Bar, but that’s another story. Main point is taht there are No tipping points in any of these established control system. The whole basis of UN models and hysterical claims of the ignorant lying politicians such as Guterres and the UN IPCC political marxist management who just make it up, and are not scientists, is fraudulent. Simply at the most fundamental level, because their claims are wholly unsupported by real deterministic science we know and can and have measured is fraudulent on the observations and the unsupportable presumptions of their modellers fed into computers. Just are. On the real science of repeated observational validation. So obviously partial and presumptive it’s embarrassing to anyone who understands real science and does the checks. Pseudo science fraud by assertion, no proof is offered for their claims that cannot be questioned, testing these claims by observation of reality using scientific method is denial, and the actual evidence is denied. Because they’re wrong. It’s a scam.
PPS I write this because there is a book coming and I want to boil down the reality to be accessible to the largest audience. But warm interstadials can only occur within the glacial phase of a single ice age cycle. That’s it. No other time.
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brianrlcatt’s graph above has some very important information.
Of the four curves Epica Vostok and neem are all in agreement from -18k to -7k. It is the period at the end of the YD. One should also include the Kilimanjaro curve for the same period and same isotope, and it would match as well. Polar compared to equatorial is a good indication of what is occurring. The Gisp datum is wrong and is delayed by about 1100 years. Neem is also in Greenland.
The Meltwater pulse did no occur in places on earth selectively. That is one global reliable chronological datum.