Please post ideas for new threads, tips on relevant and interesting threads elsewhere, and notes about pretty much anything you like here.

The scissors will be wielded to commercial spam, lewd suggestions, and anything else I don’t like. 8)

  1. Anything is possible says:

    I hate to post a link to a Guardian article, but it does demonstrate that Ed Davey is totally insane :

  2. oldbrew says:

    Looks like they want to keep the Planet X option open. It could be a ‘captured extra-solar planet.’

    ‘The Solar System has a new most-distant member, bringing its outer frontier into focus. New work reports the discovery of a distant dwarf planet, called 2012 VP113, which was found beyond the known edge of the Solar System. This is likely one of thousands of distant objects that are thought to form the so-called inner Oort cloud. The work indicates the potential presence of an enormous planet, not yet seen, but possibly influencing the orbit of inner Oort cloud objects.’

    “This is an extraordinary result that redefines our understanding of our Solar System,” says Linda Elkins-Tanton, director of Carnegie’s Department of Terrestrial Magnetism.

  3. Chaeremon says:

    U.S. House of Representatives advanced bill H.R.2413, to demand more operational weather prediction (forecast) than climastrology (climate studies). Will the Senate follow?

  4. RoswellJohn says:

    Interesting paper on “Stellar rotation–planetary orbit period commensurability in the HAT-P-11 system”. First sentence: “Many stars have been observed to exhibit photometric
    variations synchronous to the orbit of their close planet.”

    I’ve seen other papers like this. I think the people looking for planets around other stars are using and developing methods that seem to be “unscientific” closer to home (the Sun).

    Here’s the link:

    Click to access 1403.7526.pdf

    Maybe you could get Ian Wilson or one of the other researchers to look into these in more detail.



  5. tallbloke says:

    Thanks John. I’ll take a look.

  6. oldbrew says:


    Update: this did not appear on the ‘Recent Comments’ list.

    TB/TC: test failed.

  7. tallbloke says:

    Thanks OB: We’ll have a look.

  8. oldbrew says:

    Dr Tim Ball demolishes the computer climate models, says the people using them know how poorly they perform.

    ‘They don’t and can’t work because data, knowledge of atmospheric, oceanographic, and extraterrestrial mechanisms, and computer capacity are all totally inadequate. Computer climate models are a waste of time and money.’

  9. nzrobin says:

    Just got an email about a new book coming out that might interest you. Titled Democracy in Decline by James Allan.

  10. Scute says:

    Julia Slingo interviewed on The Life Scientific (Radio 4):

    Most interesting bit is from 10:45 for about 4 mins. It’s about the Pacific gobbling up global warming. Does she oversell the PDO?

    Incidentally, she tacitly accepts the statement that temperatures haven’t risen for over a decade.

  11. manicbeancounter says:

    Climate Sceptics are falsely accused of being conspiracy theorists. The “scientific” case originates from an internet survey lead by Stephen Lewandowsky, which was only posted on alarmist blogs. Last year he produced a follow-up US study. I have looked at the figures.

    “Analysis of the data reveals something quite different. Strong opinions with regard to conspiracy theories, whether for or against, suggest strong support for strongly-supported scientific hypotheses, and strong, but divided, opinions on climate science.”

  12. craigm350 says:

    Volcanic blasts hint that Mercury is a migrant planet

    17:48 07 April 2014 by Jacob Aron

    Like its traveller god namesake, the planet Mercury is hard to pin down. It now seems that volcanic blasts have rocked it for aeons, and this doesn’t mesh with theories of its birth. It even raises the prospect that Mercury may have formed further out in the solar system and migrated in […]
    The results should challenge planetary scientists to come up with new ideas about Mercury’s birth, says Goudge. “The formation mechanism for Mercury now has to be able to explain this observation of volatiles in the planet’s interior.” David Rothery of the Open University in Milton Keynes, UK, who has also spotted relatively young vents in Messenger data but was not involved in this work, agrees: “We have a mystery about how Mercury formed.”

  13. craigm350 says:

    Saturn’s hexagon: An amazing phenomenon

    Date:April 8, 2014
    Source:University of the Basque Country
    Summary: An unusual structure with a hexagonal shape surrounding Saturn’s north pole was spotted on the planet for the first time thirty years ago. Nothing similar with such a regular geometry had ever been seen on any planet in the solar system. Astronomers have now been able to study and measure the phenomenon and, among other achievements, establish its rotation period. What is more, this period could be the same as that of the planet itself. Saturn is the only planet in the solar system whose rotation time remains unknown. […] Agustín Sánchez-Lavega, Head of the Planetary Sciences research group. “The movement of the hexagon could therefore be linked to the depths of Saturn, and the rotation period of this structure, which, as we have been able to ascertain, is 10 hours, 39 minutes and 23 seconds, could be that of the planet itself,” he added.

  14. oldbrew says:

    BBC’s latest climate fantasy: trumpeting lithium as a way to ‘fight climate change’, or something.
    More way-out nonsense sponsored by the TV licence payers.

  15. oldbrew says:

    They just don’t get it do they?

    ‘Top scientist Sir Mark Walport urges climate change deniers to give in.’

    No warming for 17 years Sir Mark – explain how humans caused that.

  16. Steve C says:

    Er, your Energy Australia post is currently without a title, and cannot be commented on.

  17. tchannon says:

    Steve C, you are right. Not sure what I can do about a bug on a reblog. (if I fiddle with a Rog reblog it may break further)

    TIP WHICH IS NOT OBVIOUS: you can always click on the number in the balloon top right with the comment count, that takes you to a post.

  18. oldbrew says:

    The BBC discovers methane hydrates: another excuse to cram in the cliches about ‘global warming’, ‘potentially devastating’ ‘greenhouse gases’ and suchlike brain-dead propaganda.

    But somehow they manage to conclude:
    ‘Capturing the methane and burning it suddenly looks like rather a good idea.’

    Bizarre stuff.

  19. manicbeancounter says:

    Earlier this month I looked at Stephan Lewandowsky’s two internet surveys, with respect to his claim that climate sceptics suffer from “conspiracist ideation”. I found this to be essentially falsified by the data. As a follow-up, I have also looked at the claim that rejection of “climate science” is due to extreme “free-market” views.
    “I find two opinion surveys do show a clear relationship between the agreement with “free-market” statements and disagreement with the “climate science” statements. But the US survey clearly shows that extreme views on both “free-market” and “climate science” statements are held by tiny minorities, with most occupying the middle ground. Conversely the blog survey is dominated by responses that are both pro “climate science” and anti “free-market”. There is no evidence from the papers that enlightened expert scientists and their supporters are trying to save the world from an avoidable catastrophe, but plenty of evidence that people with strong and dogmatic political beliefs are using “climate science” as a vehicle to foist those beliefs on everybody else.”


    One for you guys to get your teeth into and even something topical for Ren!

  21. Scute says:

    New paper proves climate change is linked to UK floods but despite tens of thousands of Monte Carlo model runs, somehow misses Paul Homewood’s wetter winter of 1929.

    Very troubling use of running models to death so as to achieve a dubiously slender trend. Paper was welcomed by Stocker of the IPPC who thinks nothing of presenting model-derived, hindcasted temperatures in SPM graphs as ‘historical’ and colouring them differently to make them appear to be the historical instrumental record (SPM 10).

  22. Donough Shanahan says:

    What about this; an attempt to bring the IPCC 2C goal to a personal level and ten show what it takes to meet it.

  23. oldbrew says:

    Just what the world needs now: ‘sustainable’ Snickers bars.
    Thanks to ‘a wind farm about the size of Paris’.

  24. Ian Wilson says:

    You might be interested in this new paper in A & A letters – it’s free to download.

    A&A 565, L1 (May 2014)
    Indications for an influence of hot Jupiters on the rotation and activity of their host stars

    K. Poppenhaeger⋆ and S. J. Wolk
    Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, 60 Garden St., Cambridge 02138, MA, USA
    e-mail: [zap]
    Received: 17 January 2014
    Accepted: 27 March 2014


    Context. The magnetic activity of planet-hosting stars is an important factor for estimating the atmospheric stability of close-in exoplanets and the age of their host stars. It has long been speculated that close-in exoplanets can influence the stellar activity level. However, testing for tidal or magnetic interaction effects in samples of planet-hosting stars is difficult because stellar activity hinders exoplanet detection, so that stellar samples with detected exoplanets show a bias toward low activity for small exoplanets.
    Aims. We aim to test whether exoplanets in close orbits influence the stellar rotation and magnetic activity of their host stars.

    Methods. We developed a novel approach to test for systematic activity-enhancements in planet-hosting stars. We use wide (several 100 AU) binary systems in which one of the stellar components is known to have an exoplanet, while the second stellar component does not have a detected planet and therefore acts as a negative control. We use the stellar coronal X-ray emission as an observational proxy for magnetic activity and analyze observations performed with Chandra and XMM-Newton.

    Results. We find that in two systems for which strong tidal interaction can be expected the planet-hosting primary displays a much higher magnetic activity level than the planet-free secondary. In three systems for which weaker tidal interaction can be expected the activity levels of the two stellar components agree with each other.

    Conclusions. Our observations indicate that the presence of Hot Jupiters may inhibit the spin-down of host stars with thick outer convective layers. Possible causes for this effect include a transfer of angular momentum from the planetary orbit to the stellar rotation through tidal interaction, or differences during the early evolution of the system, where the host star may decouple from the protoplanetary disk early because of a gap opened by the forming Hot Jupiter.

    Key words: stars: activity / stars: coronae / planet-star interactions / X-rays: stars / binaries: general

  25. Scute says:

    @ Ian Wilson

    This paper by Poppenhaeger appears to be a further development from some interesting observations she made about a year ago. I linked that article (from NASA) in suggestions and Tallbloke posted it. Svalgaard then weighed in and accused TB of lying over whether the attenuation of spin-down was in the distant past or ongoing. I think this new approach by Poppenhaeger proves his interpretation of the wording in the original piece as correct- it is happening now so it is ongoing. Svalgaard never apologised fully. Perhaps he will now?

    Link added (mod):

  26. oldbrew says:

    “Venus might have ongoing volcanism”

    ‘In a synopsis of the research, lead author Eugene Shalygin, also with the Max-Planck Institute, wrote that the discovery of present-day volcanic activity on Venus would have “major implications” for understanding processes in the planet’s interior, surface and atmosphere.’

  27. AJB says:

    Rat-a-tat-tat (time approx) …
    2014-05-06 08:00
    2014-05-09 03:00
    2014-05-10 05:00
    2014-05-10 17:00
    Check out the farside.

  28. Roger Clague says:

    I suggest you remove or update ( e.g effective emissive height 900+ ) the most commented posts section.

  29. craigm350 says:

    Paywalled 😥

    Based on this relationship of the variations in the earth’s orbit and Nevada’s climate, Lachniet and his team suggest that the region won’t see the re-appearance of these pluvial lakes for at least another 55,000 years. They also see evidence that the Great Basin climate has been warming for the past 1,600 years, which may indicate a human-control of regional climate because it departs from the orbital climate control, which should continue to cool for another 1,000 years.

    So cooling for a millenia but 1600yrs of mann made change? Eh!?

  30. tchannon says:

    There is a story there craig on dubious results. It needs data and code.

    Maybe they have woken up to the Devil’s Hole problem of mismatch with other paleo timelines or maybe not.

    Alas I am tied up.

  31. A C Osborn says:

    Rog, this could be a very important paper that completely kills Man Made Global Warming.
    It shows that water vapour and CO2 do NOT obey the blackbody laws of Kirchhoff, Planck, and Stefan-Boltzmann.

  32. craigm350 says:

    Tim – paywall stopped me in my tracks but ill keep an eye out if anything else pops up relating.

    ACO – a recent presentation by Robitaille at the Electric Universe conference in March discussing the black body issue:

  33. oldbrew says:

    Another one from The Hockeyshtick.

    ‘New paper finds clouds have a net negative-feedback cooling effect’

  34. oldbrew says:

    Ian Wilson has a new El Nino theory.

    ‘El Nino Events are Caused by Extreme Perigean Spring Tides’

  35. Scute says:

    Understanding the radiation budget is germaine to much that goes on in the climate debate. So this is just a long term heads-up that NASA is launching a new satellite- in 2021- to measure it more accurately.

    This is copied from my RSS feed. There is usually a link to the relevant project but not on this occasion:

    “NASA Awards Radiation Budget Instrument Contract

    NASA has awarded ITT Space Systems LLC, a subsidiary of Exelis, Inc., of Fort Wayne, Indiana, a contract to provide the Radiation Budget Instrument (RBI), a scanning radiometer capable of measuring Earth’s reflected sunlight and emitted thermal radiation.

    The cost-plus-award-fee contract with performance incentives has a contract value of approximately $208 million. This value also includes a base contract line item and an indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract line item with a maximum value of $103 million for as many as two additional RBIs, associated parts, spares, and support.

    NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, will administer the contract for the agency.

    RBI will fly on the Joint Polar Satellite System 2 (JPSS-2) mission planned for launch in November 2021, and will extend the unique global climate measurements of the Earth’s radiation budget provided by the Clouds and the Earth’s Radiant Energy Systems (CERES) instruments since 1998.

    Observations from RBI will help measure the effect of clouds on the Earth’s energy balance, which strongly influences both weather and climate. Long-term satellite data from RBI will help scientists and researchers understand the links between the Earth’s incoming and outgoing energy, and properties of the atmosphere that affect it. The data from RBI will provide fundamental inputs to extended range –10-day or longer — weather forecasting, and also be used to develop a quantitative understanding of the links between Earth’s radiation budget and the properties of the atmosphere and surface that define that budget.”

  36. Paul Vaughan says:

    New publication from Soon, Usoskin, & others (21 March 2014):

    Click to access soon_14.pdf

    (multivariate, but applies naively arbitrary wavelet parameterization (so unfortunately it’s not an effective way to explore cyclic volatility (…*sigh*)…))

  37. Geoff Sharp says:

    The cowboy has an intersting post on WUWT re the Gliessberg cycle. I think the talkshop could do a better evaluation.

  38. Roger Clague says:

    I suggest that the blog text is put on the left and the side bars on the right, as in most blogs I read.

  39. oldbrew says:

    New paper ‘challenges consensus about what regulates atmospheric CO2 from year to year’

  40. oldbrew says:

    Air conditioners increase the load on…air conditioners.

  41. oldbrew says:

    Spencer and Bast: dismantling the hoary old myth of 97% climate science consensus.

  42. Tenuk says:

    I think the last updated SC24 thread was here…

    We’re now almost 12 months on from that post on that topic, and it could perhaps be time for an update…

    WSO polar field graph updated to 28 May 2014…

    As can be seen SC24 is already 12+ years long, with no sign of a stron field reversal happening any-time soon. (I know the data is effected by the measuring instrument at the WSO being at a fixed location while earths axial tilt changes as we orbit the sun, leading to an annual nonexistent cycle in the polar magnetic field data).

    However here’s an HD shot of the sun (SDO – 28 May 2014) showing just a few spots and very little complexity in the active areas.

    I wonder what’s going on, and what will be the effect of a very long SC24 on solar output and Earth weather?

  43. craigm350 says:

    I’m pretty sure the BBC news this evening mentioned the report being ‘hard evidence’ (not found it quoted anywhere so could well be the usual ‘Antarctic collapse’ type media spin rather than the report itself).

    “Global warming will lead to a significant increase in extreme summer downpours in the UK, a study suggests. The Met Office and Newcastle University researchers say there could be five times the number of “extreme rainfall events” per hour, under extreme warming projections. This would cause “really severe” flash flooding in many parts of the UK, according to the scientists. However, they caution that this result is based on only one computer model
    Dr Lizzie Kendon, the report’s lead author told BBC News.”It is the same one that is used for the weather forecasts on the BBC, so it is incredibly realistic and it represents these very intense convective-type storms that haven’t been captured before.”The researchers used both the low resolution and the high resolution models to examine the climate patterns that have occurred in recent years and to look ahead to what might happen at the end of this century. They assessed the period up to the year 2100 using the most high-end climate projections from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

    Where to start?

  44. tchannon says:

    What the muck! Eco-friendly university power station explodes covering the area with stinking cows’ poo
    Blow out in slurry processing tank happened in the early hours
    One side of the 30ft tall corrugated metal building was completely torn off
    Thousands of gallons of slurry spilled into a nearby farm flooding one road
    £3million anaerobic digestion plant built in 2011 to offset carbon emissions
    It is the second time it has leaked sludge in the last year

    Read more:
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  45. oldbrew says:

    TC: sounds like this:

  46. RKS says:

    Why Earth’s surface is so much warmer than the Moon’s – Part 1 – Was there ever a part 2?

  47. linneamogren says:

    From THE ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL is a very informative study of the process of deuterium within the Sun. “Contrary to a widespread assumption, deuterium is not simply destroyed in stars: deuterium is also synthesized in the atmospheres of active stars.”

  48. tchannon says:

    Test by admin,

  49. Ray C says:

    oldbrew says:
    June 10, 2014 at 10:46 am
    French metal thieves helping themselves to rural wind turbines.

    Maybe they are suffering from ‘wind turbine syndrome’.

    Beware of ‘The Hum’.

    Prof Evans said there was “clear evidence” that, as the size of wind turbines had increased, so has the infrasound and low frequency sounds generated by them and that they were now emitting “serious amounts of noise”.
    “When you measure them with the correct filters you find they are producing noise levels which are far above what’s supposed to be permitted,” he said.

    Prof Evans said wind turbine syndrome – a controversial term coined for the symptoms reportedly experienced by people living in the vicinity of windfarms including sleep disturbances, headaches, dizziness, nausea, tinnitus and inability to concentrate – was real and should be further explored.

    Humming whilst they chop and slice! Nice!! Saving the planet, eh! and now a Syndrome to boot.

  50. NikFromNYC says:

    Two new giant planets beyond Pluto?

    “For instance, we know that Neptune and Pluto are in orbital resonance – for every two orbits Pluto makes around the sun, Neptune makes three. Similarly, one group of small objects seems to be in lockstep with a much more distant, unseen planet. That world would have a mass between that of Mars and Saturn and would sit about 200 times Earth’s distance from the sun.”

  51. It’s Friday time for a Chinese:

    Their work, entitled “Periodicities of solar activity and the surface temperature variation of the Earth and their correlations” was published in CHINESE SCIENCE BULLETIN (In Chinese) 2014 No.14 with the co-corresponding authors of Dr. Zhao Xinhua and Dr.Feng Xueshang from State key laboratory of space weather, CSSAR/NSSC, Chinese Academy of Sciences.

  52. oldbrew says:

    Lord B: this will not be popular with the fanatics.

    Quote: As pointed out by a peer reviewer, “this work provides a possible explanation for the global warming”.

    Oops 🙂

  53. oldbrew says:

    ‘The Debate is finally over on “Global Warming” – Because Nobody will Debate’
    By Dr. Caleb Rossiter

    Fired for ‘Diverging’ on Climate: Progressive Professor Dr. Caleb Rossiter’s fellowship ‘terminated’ after WSJ OpEd calling global warming ‘unproved science’
    ‘There is simply too little room for true debate, because the policy space is dominated by people who approach this issue not like scholars weighing evidence, but like lawyers inflaming a jury with suspect data and illogical and emotional arguments.’

  54. A C Osborn says:

    Keep an eye on Jo Nova’s forum, she and her hubby are issueing an important new paper on Climate Change.

  55. tchannon says:

    oldbrew, I didn’t jump on the Jo Nova mystery, until I can see what is coming.

    History, awhile ago David contacted me to find out about one of the software tools I developed, so far as I can remember the only person who has ever asked and then done something. He went through to roughly understanding and cloned something broadly the same (we compared test results). His attitude struck me as very odd, why I am nervous about where he is going.
    It looks like his OFT is what I tend to term a non-discrete FT. The method of creation will be different, I use a derivation of my own 1980s work, hence he was pointed in not wanting the source code for what I developed, struck me as very strange: not wanting to see or learn how. (which is essentially MIT licenced but unpublished). Looks like it is functional vs. dither optimisation.
    Plenty of examples of the inverse on the Talkshop and yes it is an approximation and ambiguous.

    What has been revealed this morning makes no sense yet. I think that will have to wait until he uncloaks whatever it is.

    Absences are fairly well known, eg. the ~30 year (can’t remember the name) which rather pointedly appears in definite effect but not in any “drivers”. Finding some kind of absence is notable.

    Wait and see,

  56. A C Osborn says:

    At JoNova part 3 of David’s paper is out.

  57. tchannon says:

    Watching. Considering commenting in a general vein, which might clarify some things. I still don’t know what he has done, let alone formed an opinion.

  58. Ian Wilson says:

    Fellow travelers: there may be a connection to our work in the new Evans-Nova Solar Theory!

    David Evans says about his delay filter:

    As far as we know there is nothing on Earth with a memory spanning multiple years. But there is one climate actor with an 11 year clock—the Sun.

    And what is driving this 11 year clock? (rhetorical question).

    Aren’t we claiming that it is the planets!

  59. tallbloke says:

    Hi Ian,

    Yes, I’ll put up a post to discuss their work this morning.

  60. Chaeremon says:

    Swarm reveals Earth’s changing magnetism, 19 June 2014

    The first set of high-resolution results from ESA’s three-satellite Swarm constellation reveals the most recent changes in the magnetic field that protects our planet.

  61. oldbrew says:

    East Anglia wind mega-project gets the go-ahead.
    £15 million already spent – on planning it. Ed Davey salivating over ‘green jobs.’

    No mention of where power is supposed to come from in the 70% of the time when the turbines are idle.

    ‘Construction of one of the largest offshore wind farms in the world – the 12,000 megawatt (MW) ‘East Anglia One’ project – was given the greenlight by the Government today’ [17 June 2014]

    ‘It is the first of six potential projects in the same offshore zone which, if continued, will have the combined power of 7.2 gigawatts.’

    What’s the price tag for that lot?

  62. tallbloke says:

    This is why Seimens is building a wind turbine plant at Hull.

  63. oldbrew says:

    If Siemens can build a wind turbine that responds to peak demand they will be on to a winner 😉

  64. J Martin says:

    7.2 Gigawatts. How many gigawatts worldwide ? Is anything really free ? I can’t believe that won’t have consequences over time.

  65. tallbloke says:

    JM, a forest of turbine won’t cause any more drag than a forest of trees. Might cause more low cloud though.

  66. Interesting:

    “The amount of precipitation received recently in the northern hemisphere is thought to be the Pluto Return. Pluto has a cycle of 248 years and the UK floods were a 250-year record. Pluto, now called a dwarf planet was only ‘discovered’ by Western astronomers in the 1930s, but it was one of the 9 planets known and named by Hindi astrologers of old. This Return was compounded by highest tides of the year caused by closer perigees alternating with larger apogees. Apsidal faster moons always bring more atmospheric turbulence and stronger winds result.”

  67. tallbloke says:

    ” Pluto has a cycle of 248 years and the UK floods were a 250-year record”

    Bollox. 🙂

  68. New Zealand weather forecaster!!

  69. suricat says:

    I’ve often considered the possibility that the very short wave lengths of insolation in the upper atmosphere may well break CO2 into its component atoms. Why (motive)? Because CO2 is effective in the strat (radiative influence), but not in the tropo where convection and latent energy transfers dominate. I’ve also always got Ferenc’s observations and considerations in mind as to why the CO2 ‘forcing’ seems to be balanced by WV.

    I ran across this paper;

    Click to access acp-11-2455-2011.pdf

    which suggests that my suspicion may be, to some degree, correct (see the graphs at the end of the paper).

    The ‘timings’ for the coincidence of extreme SW Solar insolation may well coincide with CO2 annihilation, but I don’t have the wherewithal to show this. However, you may be interested from the standpoint of CO2 being a ‘well mixed gas’ (altitude isn’t taken into account for a ‘well mixed’ analysis).

    Any ‘depletion’ of CO2 near TOA will also reduce Earth’s ‘radiative cooling’!

    Do with this as you will TB. 🙂

    Best regards, Ray Dart.

  70. tchannon says:

    Lot of work in that paper suricat, too much to take in for me at the moment. It does though look to point at things needing consderation.
    Aside a post at WUWT has raised a nice one I’d not considered, this from a stats economist again, the 1930 depression ought to have a dip in CO2 rate but isn’t shown.

  71. RoswellJohn says:

    Interesting paper on preferential planetary orbits on


    Click to access 1406.5648.pdf

  72. Gail Combs says:

    Seems Watts is tangling with Steve Goddard now and he is not sticking to his own blog to do it.

    Well Known Skeptic Says I Am “Worse Than Michael Mann”

    It Gets More Bizarre By the Hour

    Anthony Watts has been a busy boy recently. Today he is quoted along with Zeke, Gavin and Mark Serreze in a hit piece against me and Fox News blaming NASA’s data tampering on my “faulty analysis”

    Anthony Watts, a popular skeptic of most climate change data, posted his objection to Goddard’s claim.

    “I took Goddard to task over this as well in a private email, saying he was very wrong and needed to do better,” Watts wrote.
    Fox’s Doocy: NASA fudged data to make the case for global warming | PunditFact

    What on earth is Watt’s doing?

    Do we really need all this name calling and in-fighting?

  73. Stephen Richards says:

    For UKIP campaigne. This is brilliant. It’s Ron Reagan.

  74. oldbrew says:

    Farmers struggling with drought in Oklahoma.

    Could the Oklahoma dustbowl conditions be related to the lack of landfall hurricanes in the US in recent years? Less rain being carried inland?

    ‘Why the lack of Major U.S. Landfalling Hurricanes?’

    But here comes Hurricane Arthur…

  75. markstoval says:

    I think that you should do a review of the last two posts by the Scottish Sceptic

    He first wrote: “The CO2 Greenhouse effect is real (sometimes)”

    Then after interaction with a reader he wrote:

    Reconciling skydragons and mainstream skeptics?

    I would really like the take on these two from everyone here at the Talkshop.

    Regards, Mark

  76. oldbrew says:

    No more wind subsidies for Scotland if it separates from the rest of the UK – EU ruling.

  77. oldbrew says:

    Antarctic sea ice still forging ahead to new highs, confounding IPCC theorists and climate models.
    When will they ever learn that wrong means wrong, not – ‘quick, dream up another flimsy excuse’?

  78. oldbrew says:

    The bylaws, Newton’s Laws of Experts, are as follows:

    First Law: every expert persists in his state of rest or opinion unless acted upon by an external grant;
    Second Law: the rate of change of opinion is directly proportional to the applied grant; and
    Third Law: for every expert there is an equal and opposite expert.

  79. wayne says:

    Rog, spent the weekend sailing and while refreshing some of my now old racing knowledge happed upon this curious article:

    “The Wind Is Dying”

    Thought you might find it intresting… never had stumbled across such a factor within “climate science”.

  80. Scute says:

    EPA has no compunction about flouting the US constitution when it comes to carbon emmisions:

    They were headed off at the pass by the Supreme Court…but only by one vote. That’s how fragile our liberties are when carbon is the issue at hand.

  81. oldbrew says:

    ‘A team in Spain says there may actually be two supersized planets hiding in the outer reaches of our solar system’

    This is a follow-on from the announcement of potential dwarf planet 2012 VP113 in March.

    ‘Dwarf planet discovery hints at a hidden Super Earth in solar system’

    That article quoted someone saying:
    “If you took a Super Earth and put it a few hundred astronomical units out, the gravity could shepherd Sedna and this new object into the orbits they have”

    Now the Spanish team are putting forward the two ‘Super Earths’ idea.

  82. oldbrew says:

    US Biofuel fiasco rumbles on – devours subsidies, does nobody except farmers any good.

  83. Ron C. says:

    I have developed something that could be of interest. It’s a way of doing temperature trend analysis that neatly avoids all the data manipulations so much discussed recently. I have built an Excel workbook for this method, and have done a study of Kansas US in order to prove the concept and the tool.

    At this point I need someone with a skeptical mind to critique what I have done. If you are willing I can email you the Kansas workbook and you can see if it stands up to scrutiny.

    I have started building a Canada workbook with this template, but there are many stations, and it will take time. I also want to verify that I am on the right track before making the full effort.

    I can also send a text document explaining the rationale for temperature trend analysis.

    Please let me know what you think..

  84. Roger,
    Perhaps a new discussion of the motivations and desires of the various individuals and various groups involved in the climate fiasco, but leaving out science entirely as there is none.
    To start, some groups and characteristics (my opinion only):

    For the alarmists:
    Those with political interest- Control over the masses, dominates.
    Those with financial interest- How can I best better my career, dominates.
    Those with religious interest- Those errant sinners must be punished, dominates.
    Bloggers promoting IPCC- My blog gets an award, dominates.

    For the skeptics:
    Luke-warmists. We wish to rock the boat, but not offend.
    Most commenters. 30 years of this crap is enough, STOP!
    Dragon slayers. All fraud, not even one honest word.
    Bloggers opposing IPCC- My blog gets an award, dominates.

    For the cattle:
    I have considered much and now have an opinion. Few
    I know not how to consider, but still have an opinion. Many
    Bloggers for cattle. My blog gets an award, dominates.

    And of course the needed mix and match!
    The Idea is to try to find how and why this ever happened!

    [Reply] It’ll just create much smoke and heat but little light. Instead, I’m writing a post about the difference in evaporation rates between Lake Titicaca and the dead sea due to air pressure and other factors.

  85. An umbrella group of churches, which represents over half a billion Christians worldwide, has decided to pull its investments out of fossil fuel companies.

    The move by the World Council of Churches, which has 345 member churches including the Church of England but not the Catholic church, was welcomed as a “major victory” by climate campaigners who have been calling on companies and institutions such as pension funds, universities and local governments to divest from coal, oil and gas.

    In an article for the Guardian in April, Archbishop Desmond Tutu said that “people of conscience need to break their ties with corporations financing the injustice of climate change” and events sponsored by fossil fuel companies could even be boycotted.

    does this mean as a Christian l must divest from using fossil fuels .NOW?

    I bet they have their gas and wood heaters firing up in OZ tonight!

    I think our Australian Anglican church has agreed to do the same

    Implications if any?

  86. oldbrew says:

    So Archbishop Tutu won’t be boarding any more planes in future, because they’re fuelled by fossils 😉

  87. maybe someone in the know could check the validity of this report about Yellowstone closed and magna surfacing?

    [Reply] Take a look at the book titles on the shelf behind our worry wart. “Apocalypse watch”. Heh. 😉

  88. Ah yes. Well noted TB!.

    While l am investigating worry warting. Here is another for your sceptical eye

    Date10 July 2014
    China and the US have announced a series of pacts to cut greenhouse gas emissions signalling their joint commitment to tackling climate change in the run up to Paris 2015.
    Changhua Wu, Greater China Director, The Climate Group, commented: “China and US continue their collaboration to decarbonize their economies. With the new pacts signed by both sides at the just concluded bilateral strategic and economic dialogue, it is expected that the word’s two largest economies are better positioned to lead a global clean revolution.”

  89. Sparks says:

    Nice blank sun

  90. Will says: Roger, How about a HEAT thread.
    Sure, you write the intro as a comment, submit it on the suggestions page, and I’ll post it as an article for a new thread.
    You u already have more than enough. How does HEAT relate to the average temperature of the Earth’s surface, as invented without meaning by the clowns?
    Does the irradiance of the Sun, determine some black body temperature, as claimed?
    Does Solar irradiance only determine the very interesting Earth weather? Is the internal energy and temperature of Earth determined by some other form of energy as suggested by Jo Nova, and David Evans?
    Can this new energy violate 2LTD and spontaneously pump energy uphill?
    You can start by quoting the Wikipedia nonsense, and let others rip it to shreads.
    What is HEAT all possible forms included?

  91. Roger, just a title
    “Can Climate Scientists ever find self gluteal muscles with one or more upper ?”

  92. “Can Climate Scientists ever find self gluteal muscles with one or more upper appendages?”

  93. Roger,
    Earthlings seem to be very good at observing, and measuring this current physical.
    It is only the stupid scientific explanations of the “why”, of what is observed, that is totally detached from observation. Perhaps time for a comprehensive thread on the “difference” between “current engineering” and “current science”.

  94. tchannon says:

    Malaysian 777 downed by SAM over Ukraine, 295 dead.
    News still in flux.

  95. Before #MH17 crashed, some airlines avoided Ukraine, some didn’t

  96. Anything is possible says:

    Don’t know if it’s worth it’s own thread, but we have a sunspot-free Sun :

    This is no way to run a solar maximum!

  97. tchannon says:

    Yes a candidate. Not sure where the blog is going over the next few days.

  98. Scute says:

    Gravesend has done it again. Today’s highest temps from Netweather:;type=maxt;sess=

  99. tchannon says:

    Copied from an offline WordPress composition tool title “Gravesend 32.3C, why so hot?”, writing a post right now. I ran a data capture. Expert opinion welcome later.

  100. Scute says:

    Neat real time lightning map. May be useful for solar or magnetic field

    Another one just for Europe:

    Can I see simultaneous strikes along longitude lines? I’m not sure.

  101. A C Osborn says:

    Roger, do you know anyone involved with the Scottish Independence “No” campaign?

    This analysis by Euan Mearns suggests a major funding issue with Salmond’s Energy Policy.

  102. Scute says:

    Another unashamed BBC depiction of ’emissions’ from cooling towers. This time it’s Shukman. They must have a file of dozens because this is a new one to me:

  103. J Martin says:

    Greg Goodman comes up with some intruiging orbital relationships.

    Can’t seem to get copy and paste to work on this android tablet.

    from WUWT. New paper finds transient reponse climate sensitivity. July 23rd 7:05am

    [Reply] Thanks JM: Sorry I lost one of your comments recently as I emptied spam just as I spotted it. No idea why your comments are dropping into the bit-bucket, try another ID.

  104. oldbrew says:

    Another ‘standard model’ of science runs into the roadblock of observational evidence.

    ‘Satellite galaxies put astronomers in a spin’

    ‘Today, everything appears to indicate that the standard model provides a faithful representation of observations at the largest scales of the Universe, but that, for the moment, we are overlooking something fundamental at smaller scales.’

  105. jeremyp99 says:

    Roger… you might like to publicise this… or you may not! However, I thought I’d bring it to your attention

    Classify the terms “denier” , “climate denier” or variants thereof as hate speech.



  106. tallbloke says:

    Jeremy: the wording needs to be widened to include those who ‘ascribe to the hypothesis’ but don’t believe it’s magnitude warrants the resources spent on mitigation of the potential effect.

  107. tallbloke says: July 25, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    “Jeremy: the wording needs to be widened to include those who ‘ascribe to the hypothesis’ but don’t believe it’s magnitude warrants the resources spent on mitigation of the potential effect.”

    Roger, please include the few that refuse to accept bullshit!

  108. A C Osborn says:

    Roger, put your UKIP/political hat on a minute and see if anyone is looking in to this question I asked on Euans Blog,
    If the Scots gain Independence and are no longer UK & EU Citizens what happens to their Passports which states that they are UK or British Citizens?

  109. tallbloke says:

    They’ll be Scottish citizens as defined by their postcode until they get passports replaced.

  110. A C Osborn says:

    I wonder if they realise that?
    Driving Licencing & Car Tax (DVLA)?

  111. oldbrew says:

    The penny may finally have dropped for the UK government re shale gas, unless Ed Davey & co can find a way to put the brakes on again. The new peg they’re hanging it on is ‘Russian aggression.’

    ‘Fracking for shale gas is to be fast-tracked because it will give Britain greater energy security and protect it from Russian aggression, the new Tory energy minister has revealed.’

  112. A C Osborn says:

    Roger, I thought I left a comment on here yesterday about Tim Cullen’s latest post on old Atmospheric understanding, did it go in to spam?

  113. tallbloke says:

    ACO: If it did, I didn’t spot it before emptying. Apols if so. I meant to take a look at Tim’s blog yesterday, I’ll have a look. Cheers.

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