Posts Tagged ‘nikolov and zeller’

Ned and Karl often run into people on twitter who tell them that their ‘theory’ violates the 1st Law of thermodynamics. Firstly, as Ned points out, their empirical work is not a theory, but a discovery. But let’s allow Paul to develop his argument, and then we’ll pick it apart and see if it ‘holds water’.

Paul Alter@PAlterBoy1 writes: I wrote this up with the help of a physicist and a climate scientist. You have a gas in a cylinder with a piston. Kinetic energy is applied to the piston. The piston adds energy to the gas through its work: the work by a force is the force times the distance the force (work).

2/ point is moved into the direction of the force. The piston exerts a force on the gas and when it moves to compress the gas it “works” and hence adds energy. The energy that the moving piston adds to the gas is converted into heat, to the effect that total energy is conserved.


A watched pot does boil!

It is remarkable that in the climate science debate, the ideal gas law and its consequences in dynamic systems has been variously forgotten, misinterpreted, denied and ignored. In order to clear up the misconceptions, obfuscations , ignorance, error, and denial, it is time to do some practical science in order to lay the various misapprehensions and mis-statements to rest.

It’s very encouraging to see that ‘Lucy Skywalker’ is intending to replicate the experimental work of Roderich Graeff. This is a serious undertaking and a difficult task, due to the very accurate measurement of small differences required. I have decided the Talkshop is going to enter the fray with some empirical experimental work too.  The aim is somewhat simpler. We are going to measure the effect of Pressure on a contained volume of air which has energy passing through it, as per Ned Nikolov and Karl Zeller’s outline of the situation in Earth’s atmosphere, which is a volume of air  contained by gravity, with sunlight passing through Earth’s day side. This is so we can determine whether there is merit in their hypothesis that the atmospheric temperature profile is underpinned by the effect of gravity on atmospheric mass: warm near the surface where the air pressure is around 14 psi, and cold at high altitude, where the air pressure drops nearly to zero.